Posted on 12/15/2009 8:35:30 PM PST by Steelfish
Burial Cloth Found In Jerusalem Cave Casts Doubt On Authenticity of Turin Shroud
By MATTHEW KALMAN 16th December 2009
Archaeologists have discovered the first known burial shroud in Jerusalem from the time of Christ's crucifixion - and say it casts serious doubt on the claimed authenticity of the Turin Shroud.
Ancient shrouds from the period have been found before in the Holy Land, but never in Jerusalem. Researchers say the weave and design of the shroud discovered in a burial cave near Jerusalem's Old City are completely different to the Turin Shroud.
Discovery: The shrouded body of a man was found in this sealed chamber of a cave in the Hinnom Valley, overlooking the Old City of Jerusalem Radiocarbon tests and artefacts found in the cave prove almost beyond doubt that it was from the same time of Christ's death.
It was made with a simple two-way weave - not the twill weave used on the Turin Shroud, which textile experts say was introduced more than 1,000 years after Christ lived. And instead of being a single sheet like the famous item in Turin, the Jerusalem shroud is made up of several sections, with a separate piece for the head.
Professor Shimon Gibson, the archaeologist who discovered the tomb, said ancient writings and contemporary shrouds from other areas had suggested this design, and the Jerusalem shroud finally provided the physical evidence. The debate over the Turin Shroud will not go away. Last month a Vatican researcher said she had found the words 'Jesus Nazarene' on the shroud, proving it was the linen cloth which was wrapped around Christ's body.
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I noticed that immediately. Nice bit of confirmation, I’d say! LOL.
INDEED.
The ‘critters’ [ET’s] will be demonstrating all manner of purported “proofs” to deny Christ’s deity.
THE GREAT DECEPTION is at work and looming greater.
Folks MUST HAVE A ****RELATIONSHIP**** WITH CHRIST.
Good theories will not suffice.
LOVE IT. EXCELLENT POINTS.
And his responses were?
A weaver doesn’t have to be a rocket scientist to pull a thread over two, or three, other threads instead of one.
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INDEED.
Four harneses would do it. Probably 3 would, IIRC.
EXCELLENT. THANKS THANKS.
I’m still skeptical that they can be certain of the “ca 1200” claim.
Thanks.
Having discovered it IN THAT AREA
kind of moots the point of doing such a pollen study.
WELL PUT.
THX.
Not so. Since the "new" burial cloth was found near Jerusalem, a pollen study of it would serve as a sort of ground truth regarding what sort of pollen would be found on burial cloths in that area.
A comparison of its pollen burden to that on the "Turin" shroud would be interesting.
It persistently boggles my mind how adept RC's are at imputing
"bashing."
I realize they are master bashers themselves . . . and I guess when one sees the world through such "bashing glasses" it is easy to fantasize and construe bashing under every word and phrase.
All the more so for those with REACTIVE ATTACHMENT DISORDER.
However, in Jedidah's post above, he rightly merely noted that it's more fitting to worship CHRIST than to get all wound up about artifacts.
!!!OF COURSE!!!, that's anathema, heresy and outrageous to those over fascinated with, obsessed with, addicted to, to idolatrous of artifacts.
Sheesh! Get a life.
Or a RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST vs a mere RELIGION.
GOOD POINT.
I was thinking in terms of pollen verifying that it was once in that area.
I think the claim is that the shroud of Turin is woven in a way that was not known until around one thousand AD. If that could be proven it would mean that the shroud MUST be a fake. There may have been varying forms of textiles two thousand years ago but the selection would have been extremely limited compared to today, it wouldn’t have been simply a matter of having money.
“Some people really, REALLY don’t want the Shroud to be genuine.”
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That is true but does anyone’s wishing make it so or not so?
Read post number fifteen and look up the verse in the bible, either the Shroud of Turin is a fake or the bible is wrong.
It’s funny how often people make assumptions that the ancients did not and could not have had things like....oh....computers for instance.
Until somebody actually finds one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism
There’s another artifact, called the “Sudarium”, which is claimed to be the “napkin” referenced in post 15.
Joseph of Arimathea was a rich man who supplied the tomb and probably supplied a superior cloth for Jesus’ burial.
Perhaps.
Not necessarily, however.
Can we say FOR CERTAIN how such a head cloth might have been used vis a vis the long shroud type cloth?
Which is why God buried Moses’ body in any unknown place, so that his bones couldn’t be dug up and venerated!
Always. Every Christmas, every Easter, another story/movie runs to try to debunk some aspect of Christianity.
Casting doubt on the Shroud of Turin is pretty weak, though. I think it's real, it'd be pretty cool if it's real, but it's NOT IMPORTANT.
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