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Burial Cloth Found In Jerusalem Cave Casts Doubt On Authenticity of Turin Shroud [Really?]
Daily Mirror (UK) ^ | December 15th 2009

Posted on 12/15/2009 8:35:30 PM PST by Steelfish

Burial Cloth Found In Jerusalem Cave Casts Doubt On Authenticity of Turin Shroud

By MATTHEW KALMAN 16th December 2009

Archaeologists have discovered the first known burial shroud in Jerusalem from the time of Christ's crucifixion - and say it casts serious doubt on the claimed authenticity of the Turin Shroud.

Ancient shrouds from the period have been found before in the Holy Land, but never in Jerusalem. Researchers say the weave and design of the shroud discovered in a burial cave near Jerusalem's Old City are completely different to the Turin Shroud.

Discovery: The shrouded body of a man was found in this sealed chamber of a cave in the Hinnom Valley, overlooking the Old City of Jerusalem Radiocarbon tests and artefacts found in the cave prove almost beyond doubt that it was from the same time of Christ's death.

It was made with a simple two-way weave - not the twill weave used on the Turin Shroud, which textile experts say was introduced more than 1,000 years after Christ lived. And instead of being a single sheet like the famous item in Turin, the Jerusalem shroud is made up of several sections, with a separate piece for the head.

Professor Shimon Gibson, the archaeologist who discovered the tomb, said ancient writings and contemporary shrouds from other areas had suggested this design, and the Jerusalem shroud finally provided the physical evidence. The debate over the Turin Shroud will not go away. Last month a Vatican researcher said she had found the words 'Jesus Nazarene' on the shroud, proving it was the linen cloth which was wrapped around Christ's body.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; leprosy; letshavejerusalem; shroud
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To: Bellflower

BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.

PRAISE GOD FOR HIS GIFT TO YOU.

AND YOU FOR SHARING IT.

Much touched by your narrative.

Thanks Big.

Praise God.

HE’S COMING SOON.


81 posted on 12/16/2009 5:54:16 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix; grammarman; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; Gamecock; DarthVader

Amazing.

I get up this morning to find that my heartfelt comment lat night about remembering the central point of Christianity was completely misconstrued.

I didn’t say a thing about Catholics. I didn’t even think about Catholics. Nobody was “bashed” until some thin skins got irritated by their imaginations.

My point was a valid one, and I stand by it. I’ll go out on a limb and contend that anyone who argues with what I said needs to examine their heart and their faith. And by “faith,” I don’t mean the name on the sign at their church building.


82 posted on 12/16/2009 5:55:07 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: Bellflower
Wonderful story. I have not seen the Lord but I have felt his touch and heard his voice in my heart.
83 posted on 12/16/2009 5:59:52 AM PST by Ditter
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To: presently no screen name

Your post is a thread-killer...good observation...magritte


84 posted on 12/16/2009 6:01:39 AM PST by magritte ("I will give this monkey for lunch to Mr Sata,")
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To: Jedidah

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

[I thought it was obvious—just as you confirmed. Well put!]


85 posted on 12/16/2009 6:03:18 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Some very good information here on the caucasian (Celtic) Bronze Age mummies found in China.

http://www.s8int.com/page26.html


86 posted on 12/16/2009 6:09:08 AM PST by Brytani (Support Lt. Col Allen West for Congress - www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: Brytani

THANKS MUCH.

FASCINATING.


87 posted on 12/16/2009 6:10:11 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: grammarman; Jedidah
The Catholic bashers have arrived. Thanks for that pithy comment and the charity in which it was delivered. I'm sure someone is as proud of you as you are of yourself.

d00d, take a pill. There was *nothing* about Catholics in that remark - Nothing at all. We should see how charitable YOU are in your apology to Jedidah.

OTOH, if you'd like some bashing, I will be more than happy to oblige.

88 posted on 12/16/2009 6:16:46 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: Jedidah
Let’s worship the Savior, not souvenirs.

Do you mean to insinuate that someone worships "souvenirs" (like, presumably, the Shroud)?

If so, who?

89 posted on 12/16/2009 6:17:44 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: phredo53
Not much different than claiming we have the pants Colombus wore: blue jeans.

Um, hel-LOOOO...... Dockers......!

90 posted on 12/16/2009 6:18:48 AM PST by Lazamataz (DEFINITION: rac-ist (rA'sis't) 1. Anyone who disagrees with a liberal about any topic.)
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To: Bellflower
In an instant The LORD transformed me to a place that I could plainly see the face of Jesus. Glorious light was streaming from his face. The light was so beautiful because it was not just light but it was also pure love. This was many years ago and I shall never forget His beautiful face and often think about how someday I shall see it again.

WOW! Thanks for that witness! "Someday" is soon.

91 posted on 12/16/2009 6:18:54 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: Claud
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

Did you know that some hackers from Carnegie-Mellon actually have that thing running Linux?

92 posted on 12/16/2009 6:19:43 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski
Did you know that some hackers from Carnegie-Mellon actually have that thing running Linux?

Hee hee!

I'm betting it originally ran Windows....which is why we found it at the bottom of the Aegean.

93 posted on 12/16/2009 6:22:36 AM PST by Claud
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To: Jedidah
αχειροποίητα
94 posted on 12/16/2009 6:50:12 AM PST by Poe White Trash (Wake up!)
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To: Swordmaker

Thanks for the excellent fact-based commentary. It’s striking to see how superior your understanding of this topic is to that of the “professional journalist” who cobbled together this article.


95 posted on 12/16/2009 7:21:34 AM PST by Interesting Times (For the truth about "swift boating" see ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: RipSawyer
While certain technologies may not be widespread in a given era, that alone does not preclude their existence.

Weaving patterns may not be typical of an era, but someone had to do it first, and often advancements are lost. (Damascus steel, for instance, (not pattern welded or simply layered steel) has yet to be reproduced.)

While certain fabrics can be ruled out as being from the era (synthetics, for instance), proving a pre-industrial revolution weaving pattern did not exist (at all, anywhere) at a certain date would be pretty tough, and opens the person making the determination to accusations of circular reasoning. (You can't simply date a pattern because it allegedly did not exist until a certain date, therefore it has to be after a certain date.)

There has to be other supporting evidence which would indicate that the material comes from a certain date, and in the instance of the shroud, exposed to fire, Carbon dating will just not be enough.

In the end, it becomes a matter of belief, not one of proof, at least until someone can demonstrate how medieval persons created the images in such a way that it fits the other evidence.

96 posted on 12/16/2009 7:37:18 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: nina0113

Yes, that’s my view, too.


97 posted on 12/16/2009 7:42:18 AM PST by donna ( I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth. - Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: Mamzelle

Not ALL ancient looms were narrow.


98 posted on 12/16/2009 9:00:26 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: mdmathis6

INDEED.


99 posted on 12/16/2009 9:04:10 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Poe White Trash

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2012:38-40&version=NIV


100 posted on 12/16/2009 9:30:29 AM PST by Jedidah
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