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What sort of civil disobedience is acceptable?

Posted on 12/23/2009 12:52:01 PM PST by johngaltspeaks

There is a lot of talk about civil disobedience regarding this healthcare bill. Folks have said they will refuse to purchase into it, thus breaking the law.

A thought I had is, what about the 2010 census. What if we refuse to participate or under/over report our household numbers. If we refuse to obey the census law or just delay would that send a message?


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KEYWORDS: census; civildisobedience; heathcare; noob; obamacare
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1 posted on 12/23/2009 12:52:03 PM PST by johngaltspeaks
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To: johngaltspeaks

Freedom (and revolution) begin with saying “no”.


2 posted on 12/23/2009 12:52:44 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: johngaltspeaks

ROTFL. Hang on a sec, let me think...


3 posted on 12/23/2009 12:53:48 PM PST by library user
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To: johngaltspeaks

Welcome to Free Republic.


4 posted on 12/23/2009 12:54:29 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: johngaltspeaks

Instead of paying for postage when mailing letters, just print out a tiny square with Obama’s face on it, and stick it in the upper-right corner of your envelope. See if the letter comes back to you or not.


5 posted on 12/23/2009 12:55:04 PM PST by library user
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To: MrB

I refuse to buy it!

Jim Robinson

See you in debtor's prison.

6 posted on 12/23/2009 12:55:16 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Join the TEA Party Rebellion!! May God and TEA save the Republic!!)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

P4L


7 posted on 12/23/2009 12:56:03 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: johngaltspeaks

Acceptable to whom?


8 posted on 12/23/2009 12:56:21 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I second your post.

I wonder if we'll get cable in prison?

9 posted on 12/23/2009 12:56:36 PM PST by Michael Barnes
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To: johngaltspeaks

I am beginning to suspect “boiled hemp” will be about the only message this crew of cngresscriminals will understand.


10 posted on 12/23/2009 12:56:40 PM PST by wastoute
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To: johngaltspeaks

Disobedience against tyranny is a privilege.

Our ancestors did this a number of times in a number of ways, including the American Revolution, the Civil War, the various labor movements of the late 19th century, the Civil Rights movement, and other times in which rights have been stepped on.

Any form of disobedience is acceptable, and when they start shooting, even war is acceptable. You don’t preserve liberty against people like the modern American left by acting nice.


11 posted on 12/23/2009 12:56:53 PM PST by redpoll
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To: Michael Barnes

I don’t know. You suppose we’ll have complimentary high speed internet connection?


12 posted on 12/23/2009 12:58:15 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Join the TEA Party Rebellion!! May God and TEA save the Republic!!)
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To: johngaltspeaks

This is funny check this out

Nader Blasts Obamacare

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/12/nader-blasts-obamacare.html


13 posted on 12/23/2009 12:58:29 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: Michael Barnes

Free cable, internet and sex. (only the last one is bad news).


14 posted on 12/23/2009 12:58:33 PM PST by library user
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To: johngaltspeaks

We need to print up some MLK shirts with the slogan:

“One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”

Too bad his image is copyrighted...wait...hold on...maybe that’s one of those unjust laws he was talking about!


15 posted on 12/23/2009 12:59:25 PM PST by NeoConfederate
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To: johngaltspeaks

Welcome to Free Republic. Did you join today just to sound us out on our intentions? Makes me kind of wonder...


16 posted on 12/23/2009 12:59:31 PM PST by bcsco (Hey, GOP: The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration...)
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To: johngaltspeaks

That just brought a question to mind: legal historians: has there ever been a political assault/killing via some weapon where the defense was that it was an act of civil disobedience?


17 posted on 12/23/2009 1:00:11 PM PST by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: johngaltspeaks

Something is seriously wrong when the government plans to treat citizens worse than they treat terrorists.


18 posted on 12/23/2009 1:01:19 PM PST by MtnClimber (Bernard Madoff's ponzi scheme looks remarkably similar to the way Social Security works)
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To: johngaltspeaks

When the census worker comes to your place give them the Christopher Walken SNL answer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XtuPvwBa2U

Overestimate if you live in a safe Republican district. Underestimate if you live in a Dem. district. ROFL!


19 posted on 12/23/2009 1:01:33 PM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: MrB

What we should do is show up at these loser’s homes right after Christmas in droves. Reps too.


20 posted on 12/23/2009 1:01:43 PM PST by Kenny
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To: johngaltspeaks
There is a lot of talk about civil disobedience regarding this healthcare bill. Folks have said they will refuse to purchase into it, thus breaking the law.

Any federal version of healthcare is unconstitutional since Article 1 Section 8 does not specifically grant Congress the power to regulate health care. Any unconstitutional act by Congress can never become law. Therefore the people are not bound to comply if healthcare should pass Congress.
21 posted on 12/23/2009 1:02:08 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: johngaltspeaks

Hang around here for a week and you might answer your own question. Till then take the safe route and invest in cheese.


22 posted on 12/23/2009 1:02:12 PM PST by allmost
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To: theDentist

Good luck with that one.


23 posted on 12/23/2009 1:02:25 PM PST by library user
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To: Michael Barnes

I wonder if we’ll get cable in prison?

The irony is they are willing to put people in prison for not paying for health ins. Prisoners get dental plus.


24 posted on 12/23/2009 1:02:56 PM PST by ColdOne (ColdOne (Merry Christmas))
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To: MrB

During the last census all I gave them was who was living here in my house.. 1 male, 3 females (wife & two kids). They came back numerous times trying to get me to fill out the long form etc and I refused. I said NO several times and finally kicked the off my property...

Screw em...


25 posted on 12/23/2009 1:02:57 PM PST by maddog55 (Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.)
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To: johngaltspeaks

Interesting question noob, but what does this have to do with Tiger Woods cheating on his wife? We have priorities here, ya know.

/s


26 posted on 12/23/2009 1:03:40 PM PST by Canedawg (Merry Christmas)
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To: MtnClimber

Exactly!!!!


27 posted on 12/23/2009 1:04:02 PM PST by Voter62vb
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To: theDentist
And before anyone asks or infers that I am calling for violence against politicians, NO, I am NOT. I prefer they be dragged from office, suits ripped from them, thrown into the streets, and Police informed some perv was hanging out near such-and-such a building.

I just wonder if such a defense were ever offered for murder of a political figure.

28 posted on 12/23/2009 1:04:32 PM PST by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Kenny

Got that right!

Our TEA Party motto:

JUST VOTE THEM OUT!!

http://www.teapartyexpress.org/home/

See you in Searchlight Nevada on March 27 to start it rolling!!


29 posted on 12/23/2009 1:06:40 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Join the TEA Party Rebellion!! May God and TEA save the Republic!!)
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To: MrB

Civil disobedience involves a willingness to go to prison, if necessary, rather than comply with what is considered to be an unjust law.

If sufficiently widespread, this civil disobedience will so clog and fill the courts and prisons, that the very basis of economics that supports this unjust regime goes into utter collapse, thus causing the anarchy under which no government can survive.


30 posted on 12/23/2009 1:06:47 PM PST by alloysteel (....the Kennedys can be regarded as dysfunctional. Even in death.)
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To: johngaltspeaks

You are required by law to be truthful when answering the census. According to Title 13, Chapter 7, Subtitle 2, anyone who willfully gives an answer that is false could be fined up to $500. You are not required to be helpful. Clinton used that defense, and the socialists who call themselves democrats accepted it when the sleaze (and, disgusting as he was, Obama makes me miss Clinton) used it.

1. How many people living ... [I answer this one truthfully and in a helpful manner, since that is the question they are charged by the Constitution with asking].

2. Any additional people staying here ... [Same status as #1].

3. Owned, rented, occupied ... [I plan on misunderstanding this one; none of their business, so truthful but not helpful].

4. telephone number [again, my answer may not be helpful, but I can eventually be reached through the number at my gym].

5. names ... [I’ll probably answer].

6. sex for each person ... [I’ll probably answer].

7. age and date of birth ... [undecided - is this their business?].

8. Hispanic, Latino, ... [I’ll have fun with this].

9. Race ... [None of their business! But I’m required to answer so “OTHER” - “human”].

10. Sometimes live or stay elsewhere ... [again, I’ll play with them; I’ve stayed a lot of places].

If they send me the long form, which they did for the 2000 Census, I’ll really mess with them.


31 posted on 12/23/2009 1:07:11 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: johngaltspeaks

Speak to me, johngalt!

What message do you want to send?


32 posted on 12/23/2009 1:07:17 PM PST by onyx
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To: johngaltspeaks
At some point you've just got to take a stand. How much more of this crap are you eager to swallow?

If you don't do anything they think you approve of things. They are already saying that we will change our minds when we get used to the idea. What about you?

33 posted on 12/23/2009 1:07:58 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Jim Robinson
I would think that somewhere in the Dem playbook, it is a "right" to have such things in prison.

Ooops, what am I thinking, were destined for the Gulag, not club fed.

34 posted on 12/23/2009 1:08:00 PM PST by Michael Barnes
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To: Jim Robinson

We need well trained juries!


35 posted on 12/23/2009 1:08:27 PM PST by griswold3 (You think health care is expensive now? Just wait till it's FREE!)
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To: maddog55

In 2000, we refused to fill in the “race” box.
They called, they visited, I told them I refused to answer that question.

As they were leaving I said “and don’t you fill it in for me by looking at me, I’ll sue you if I find out you did”.


36 posted on 12/23/2009 1:09:02 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: johngaltspeaks

Refuse overtime if you are paid hourly. Cut back your business if you are a business owner. Don’t buy anything you don’t NEED. Give to religious charities.

In other words, reduce your taxable income and help others reduce theirs. (Based on your name, you already know this.)

Anything else is just an empty gesture—unless you can get others to join in. But, the sad reality is that the elite in DC really don’t give a damn what you and I do.

If we just make some noise, it’s just harmless buzzing to them. If we do something big enough to be noticed, then there’s probably a law or two being broken and you’ll be punished to the full extent of the law. Don’t expect the kind of “catch and release with a smirk and slap on the back” treatment that liberal protestors get when they chain themselves to a bulldozer, have a sit-in, or block a train full of radioactive material.

We need more Tea Parties and they need to start getting scary.


37 posted on 12/23/2009 1:09:12 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Imagine a day when the politicians have to hold a bake sale to pay for votes!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim

The prospect of conservatives engaging in civil disobedience may ultimately prompt the liberals to do something they would never before have supported: Build more prisons. That, and ban former prisoners who’ve served their time from having their rights restored.

But let’s be honest... They are more likely to empty the prisons of rapists and murderers to make room for the tax cheats.


38 posted on 12/23/2009 1:12:23 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Jim Robinson
Should I bring the chips and dip?

Cuz I get the feeling that there will be a LOT of us there.

I will go willingly and once I am released I will go again.

39 posted on 12/23/2009 1:14:14 PM PST by bayliving (Democrats are the enemy of : ________________)
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To: ConjunctionJunction
"When the census worker comes to your place give them the Christopher Walken SNL answer:"

Would that be "I NEED MORE COWBELL"

40 posted on 12/23/2009 1:14:51 PM PST by sniper63 (Silent and stealthy - one shot - one kill)
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To: Jim Robinson

What choice have they given us!! I’m not buying it either!!


41 posted on 12/23/2009 1:15:12 PM PST by timetostand (Merry Christmas)
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To: library user
Instead of paying for postage when mailing letters, just print out a tiny square with Obama’s face on it, and stick it in the upper-right corner of your envelope. See if the letter comes back to you or not.

At least you'll have fun spitting on it.

42 posted on 12/23/2009 1:15:16 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: redpoll

“Disobedience against tyranny is a privilege”

Disobedience against tyranny is an obligation.

I’m trying to organize a 10th amendment rally to raise awareness that states don’t have to put up with D.C. power grabs in hope that enough people will apply pressure on state reps to just reject it and do their duty to have the pile of luke warm excriment we’re being handed overturned. I probably have a snowball’s chance in the big hot place of success here in NY, but I have to do something.

I do not feel comfortable going without insurance since my hubby and I are in our 40s and we have kids under 18, so I wouldn’t drop something I have now that I really need.


43 posted on 12/23/2009 1:15:19 PM PST by dajeeps
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To: maddog55

Sorry to hear of that bad, intrusive expreience.

I have had better luck, but with Jehovah Witnesses.

I once got lucky and had a hard time getting rid of this cute Jehovah Witness coming by my place around 8/9PM several nights a week.

I have no idea why so late. And I didn’t realize they came by themselves. I thought they always had to come in pairs.

Anyway, I let her in and would always listen to what she had to say, but I think she eventually picked up that I just thought she was hot.

Really, I wasn’t interested in becoming a Jehovah Witness.

In hindsight, I probably should have just come out in the beginning and said that.


44 posted on 12/23/2009 1:15:27 PM PST by library user
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To: sniper63

Can’t have enough COWBELL!


45 posted on 12/23/2009 1:15:35 PM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: library user

No. I’m serious. I am so disgusted. I feel like government has ceased to be of for and by the people. It seems to only exist for itself anymore.

I feel like I am shouting at the top of my lungs but am neither seen or heard. I need to do something to get my voice across. If tens of thousands act in a unified way of civil disobedience we will be heard.


46 posted on 12/23/2009 1:15:43 PM PST by johngaltspeaks
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To: allmost

Sure I joined today, but who cares. I’ve been on Twitter for while.
http://twitter.com/jgaltspeaks

I just feel alone with the way things are and am looking for like minded conservative thought. If you’re just gonna mock me I”ll assume you are no better than the other side and assume all is lost.


47 posted on 12/23/2009 1:15:44 PM PST by johngaltspeaks
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To: Bryanw92

Rand said this:

“The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. “


48 posted on 12/23/2009 1:16:26 PM PST by johngaltspeaks
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To: NeoConfederate

>>maybe that’s one of those unjust laws he was talking about!

I think it is. MLK has quite a few quotes that apply to the decline of freedom in America today but that one is best. I wonder how the Left would react if we “stole” MLK from them.


49 posted on 12/23/2009 1:17:41 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Imagine a day when the politicians have to hold a bake sale to pay for votes!)
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To: johngaltspeaks
According to Hillary - dissent is patriotic ... but I guess it's only for them not for us ....
50 posted on 12/23/2009 1:18:01 PM PST by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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