Posted on 01/06/2010 5:41:28 PM PST by RobinMasters
Contrary to the claims of critics of citizens who demand Barack Obama produce evidence of his presidential eligibility, newspaper birth announcements in Hawaiian newspapers in 1961 did not necessarily indicate a baby was born in the state.
As WND reported, Glenn Beck ridiculed the so-called birther movement on his nationally syndicated radio show Monday, pointing to identical birth announcements published in the Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star-Bulletin as evidence Obama was born in Hawaii and, therefore, is a natural-born citizen as required by the Constitution.
Beck, and two colleagues, mocked "birthers" for purportedly believing a wild conspiracy in which Obama's parents, knowing he would someday be president, "preemptively" collaborated with two separate newspapers to publish phony announcements stating he was born in Hawaii.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Sheesh.
You are one of those people who thinks everyone who doesn’t agree with you is evil. No. Sometimes they’re just wrong.
If you only associate with those who agree with you on everything, you’re in for a lonely life.
If Obama’s mother was an American citizen, he is a “natural born” citizen no matter where he was born.
Nay, Captain. Under the law in force at that time, a child born outside the US - with ONE parent who is a US citizen and one who isn’t = is a natural-born US citizen IF the US-citizen parent had spent ten years in the US over the age of 14.
While that has recently changed to 5 years, it still would not apply to someone born in 1961.
The mother wasn’t of age at the time of the birth is what I understand the problem is with that. Besides, both of McCain’s parents were American citizens, yet his citizenship was in question because he was born on a Naval base outside the states and he had to produce his official birth certificate during the election, which he did with no qualms.
Simple question if Obama’s father was a US citizen and his mother was a kenyan would he still be natural born?
That isn’t that clear cut. The whole point is to get the Supreme Court to make a clear ruling on this.
What is odd is that over 30 times in the last 100 years Congressional committees have put forth an amendment that states what you believe...that as long as one parent is US Citizen then the child is natural born...HOWEVER the measures never even made it out of committee.
If what you said was true then the liberals in Congress would never have even spent any time working on that.
Additionally a lawyer within the firm that supported Obama during the campaign wrote a paper that argued the position that natural born citizen as the US has defined needs to be changed...then the paper was mysteriously scrubbed from the University Law dept when Obama announced his candidacy and now that paper is available in the archive at the school.
There are many loose ends in this discussion it is a legitimate claim to want to see historical and background information on someone who is President. Anyone near or around the President ALL of this information is clearly known and vetted...but for some reason it hasn’t been necessary for Obama and that can only mean one thing: He is hiding something very big! We deserve to know what that is.
No.
McCain’s citizenship was never in doubt. As the child of two American citizens, he acquired citizenship at birth.
The question was whether or not he was a “natural born” citizen, as required by the Constitution for someone to be President. “Natural born” is more restrictive than simple citizenship.
There’s plenty of explanation of the difference between the two here on FR. Please read so you know the difference, because it is entirely possible that it will be a serious issue in the future.
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Simple question if Obama’s father was a US citizen and his mother was a kenyan would he still be natural born?”
If the parents were married, the wife automatically became a citizen, so yes the baby would be a NBC. It’s the STILL in your question that does not belong there. He is not a NBC right now.
Absolutely not true. No matter "where" Barry was born, he was born, at best, a dual citizen, which he even admits to on his website. At the time of his birth, he was both a US citizen and a British subject, and according again to his own website he was a citizen of Kenya. How then can a dual citizen also be a Natural Born citizen? See this post for more info:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2421899/posts?q=1&;page=151#192
You haven’t been paying any attention to this story for the past couple of years, have you?
The issue isn’t precisely her age at the time of birth, but the amount of time she lived in the U.S. after her fourteenth birthday.
If Obama was born outside the U.S., he never was and is not now a U.S. citizen. If he was born IN the U.S., he never was and is not now a “natural-born” U.S. citizen.
Bone up before making further comments.
No, still not right.
If the child was born outside the US with ONE parent who is a US citizen and one who isn’t, the child would acquire citizenship at birth if the mother was old enough and had met U.S. citizenship requirements in force at the time of the birth.
HOWEVER, the child would not necessarily be a “natural born citizen,” which is an entirely different thing.
Specifically, in Obama’s case, and regardless of his place of birth, he was a British subject at birth because his father was a British subject.
Even assuming that he was born on American soil and received American citizenship, he would still be a dual citizen with dual allegiances. That alone, no matter where he was born, raises compelling and legitimate legal arguments that he is ineligible according to the Constitution to be President. The Founders, in their own words, made it clear that the leader of the nation should have no split allegiance.
More Spock, less Kirk here. Pay attention.
Foreigners don’t become citizens just because they marry a citizen. They may be granted legal residency, but a marriage never conveys citizenship.
Transporter accident. That explains your grotesque failure of intellect.
But nobody has yet proven that Stanley Ann Dunham was not in Hawaii at the time of her son’s birth.
All we have is the boasting of people in Kenya whose veracity is doubtful.
It is highly unlikely that an pregnant American teenager would travel to Kenya to give birth.
If Obama was born in Hawaii then he is a natural born citizen by right granted by the 14th amendment.
This is regardless of his mother’s age, marital status, the citizenship of his father, any other citizenships he might be eligible for, the opinions of a French legal scholar from before the United States existed, or Jerome Corsi’s (who is often wrong about most everything) interpretations of law.
We are stuck with him until Noon on 20 January 2013. He’s not going anywhere until then.
It is about Beck. Only TWO conclusions can be drawn regarding Beck's comments on Monday:
1) He is an ignorant and ill-informed fool.
2) He is deliberately aiding and abetting evil.
“If the parents were married, the wife automatically became a citizen,”
After further research, this is wrong. The baby would not be a NBC.
“Foreigners don’t become citizens just because they marry a citizen”
You’re right, I made a mistake. I checked and realized I was wrong. Thanks, I was checking as you were posting...lol
Anybody with half a brain who has watched Beck’s show these past few months knows that he has sliced, diced, and done serious harm to Obama’s agenda. For you to hurl such insults at him over this one issue is simple ignorance.
But I haven’t read Beck’s latest book, so I’m not really qualified to argue with you.
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