Posted on 02/07/2010 9:15:33 PM PST by butterdezillion
Here’s some new information – haven’t even added it to my blog yet.
According to http://uspolitics.about.com/od/senators/a/barack_obama.htm , Axelrod started videotaping Obama in 2003 for footage that he later used in Obama’s January 16, 2007 announcement that he would run for the presidency.
According to the UIPA responses received by Terri K and myself and the retention schedules for receipts, Obama’s amendment happened sometime between September of 2006 and January of 2007, since those records are to be retained for 3 years and receipts for fees to amend Obama’s vital records were denied to Terri K in September of 2006 and no longer existed when I requested them in January of 2010.
IOW, the DOH has revealed that in the last 6 months before Obama announced his run for the presidency he amended his birth record in Hawaii. That amendment was before the Factcheck COLB was printed in June of 2007 so if that COLB was legitimate it would definitely have had note of the amendment. So the Factcheck and Fight the Smears COLB’s are definitely forgeries and not just a COLB printed before the amendment was made.
Again, my conclusions are entirely based upon what the Hawaii Department of Health has stated in official responses to official UIPA requests and the laws, rules, and regulations which govern the records and statements they have made. If we take Hawaii at its word this is the natural conclusion we would make.
The certificate number and filing date that are mismatched according to the Nordyke certificate numbers and filing date confirm this also.
I haven’t checked this out yet, but the documentary requirements to amend a birth certificate 45 years after the birth would be hard to come by. What kind of evidence would be sufficient to prove that a record in existence for 45 years and never corrected before had been wrong all along? What would a person legitimately correct 45 years after the birth – after having used that birth certificate for 45 years whenever documentation was needed and never challenging the facts contained on it?
The Certification of Live Birth is, according to the Administrative Rules, actually called an Abbreviated Birth Certificate. Those same rules say that a note of amendments must be included on certificates. I’ve asked the DOH whether the COLB is considered a verification and it’s not. If it’s not a verification it is an abbreviated certificate and as such it must contain note of amendments.
I believe this is why the DOH refuses to release, to anyone who requests them, the non-certified copies of abbreviated birth certificates as authorized by the Administrative Rules and thus required to be released under UIPA. They know that on any certificate they print out, the amendment has to be noted. They want to act as though the release of index data is the same thing but it isn’t - precisely because index data doesn’t indicate the filing status of the record, which is why a person would want to see the certificate itself. The certificate has to have that note - even if it is an abbreviated certificate (COLB).
To back up what I’m saying, scroll down to the bottom of the first post by rxsid to see a COLB with note of an amendment on it. See http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4960045241001/m/3400069332001
I do not have the receipts because when the receipts still existed in September of 2009, the DOH refused to disclose them to Terri K, saying that they were exempt from disclosure because of UIPA’s privacy exemption. But the fact that they refused to disclose them means that they existed. The only way to deny access without admitting that the record exists is to use a Glomar response - “the records, IF ANY, are protected from disclosure”. Without the “if any” phrase, a denial is confirmation that the requested records exist. (This is explained in OIP Opinion Letter 07-01, written in 2007 by the current acting director of the OIP, Cathy Takase).
Well yes, if Obama did amend his BC records in 2006, the amendment should have been on the Obama COLB that was first published at the DailyKommie’s website on June 12, 2008.
Ping to myself so I can use this information tomorrow (if I can get my sick son well and get my part-time job done. lol)
Thank you, null and void!!
YES!!!!
Thanks for the ping!
Here’s a piece of reasoning that Miss Tickly (Terri K) actually used in her requests to the DOH and OIP - which she argued very convincingly. It’s a shame that neither office even read past the first paragraph of her e-mail and thus missed her reasoning.
Fukino’s July 27, 2009 announcement referred to Obama’s vital recordS (plural) which she said verify that Obama was born in Hawaii. But if Obama’s original certificate was amended to change the race of the father, or anything but the birthplace, she would not have needed to look at anything but the original BC.
The DOH has stated that the only vital event they have for President Obama is his birth record. When Fukino mentioned his vital recordS (plural) she is confirming that there is more than one record involving Obama’s one vital event (birth) and it was only by looking at all of those records - and not just his original birth certificate (whose existence she referred to in October of 2008)that she was able to find records of a Hawaii birth.
Fukino’s July 27, 2009 statement was heralded as her confirmation that the Factcheck COLB was genuine but in actual fact it confirmed that it wasn’t. Her statement only makes sense if Obama actually amended his birthplace.
Sorry. I forgot to ping you on this, MT. I’m sort of slow on learning forum etiquette.
MT, I still stand amazed at what you accomplished with your work behind the scenes. You are one amazing person.
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I don’t know? If your BC says you are Caucasion, would anyone preparing a passport for you ever question it? IOW, do they look at you, see you have dark skin and say we are changing your race on the passport? I don’t think so, but I have no experience with a personal event like that. Therefore, I believe his passport also says he is Caucasion, again making it a document he wants no one to see.
Many, many thanks, Doctor Bulldog! I’ll see what I can do with it tomorrow (Lord willing).
Link please/
VERY interesting! I had not known that amendments were included on the COLB. That would certainly seem to indicate that the online COLB is almost certainly a forgery, since the DOH has confirmed that Barry had his long form amended.
Anyway, thanks for passing on the knowledge. I’ll be sure to use that tidbit in the near future.
Cheers
IMO, having Caucasian on his BC is no big deal. It could be easily explained away - his Caucasian mother wanted it on his BC. It’s obvious he’s of a mixed race.
The other thing is that there would be no shame in somebody half-Caucasian and half-Black to have it show on their COLB that they amended their record to say the race is “African”. If that was what he changed, then why not just leave the note of that amendment on the COLB? What would be embarrassing about that?
But he didn’t even use his OWN COLB and just delete the note of the amendment either. If he had done that, the certificate number and filing date would not have been an impossible combination in comparison with the Nordyke BC’s. As it is he either used somebody else’s COLB and forged his own particulars, or else changed either the certificate number or the filing date of his own or somebody else’s - because any COLB with that number had to be filed with the state registrar AFTER the Nordykes’ were filed on Aug 11th - not on the 8th as the Factcheck and FTS COLB’s say.
Kudos to both of you, toiling away. ;)
I stand corrected....maybe.
The amendment on the COLB you link to appears to be a routine name change, which is the most common amendment sought.
It also appears to fall under a routine authorization issued by the Lt. Gov’s office in 2001, two years before this specific name change was actually requested in 2003.
I would like to see Short Forms that show amendments for the location of birth or for parental names or for witnesses to the birth.
Do you have the link to the Administrative Rules that require listing all amendments on the Short Form?
Thanks for your help, if you do.
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Who is Eligible to Apply for an Amended Certificate of Birth?
As provided by law (HRS §§338-17.7, 338-20.5), the following persons may apply for an amended certificate of birth:
For a person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and has become legally adopted
For a person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and has undergone a sex change operation:
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For a person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and previously recorded information in relation to the person’s surname and/or the father’s personal particulars has been altered pursuant to law:
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