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Orange tipped toy guns.... A good idea gone bad.
Tucson Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 03/05/2010 | Gun Rights ExaminerChris Woodard

Posted on 03/07/2010 2:52:45 PM PST by Copernicus

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To: HiTech RedNeck
In my day, cap guns weren’t blued, they were a kind of cheap chrome or nickel finish. They were toys; all they could do is make bang sounds.

Yes, but they made much louder bang sounds than modern cap guns. I've noticed that the caps available now have so little gunpowder they barely work. At a very young age I dropped a brick on a roll of caps to see what would happen and the bang was so loud it made my ears ring. I tried something similar recently with some of the caps my son has and nothing much happened. The old cap guns also made a pleasant gunpowder smell.

121 posted on 03/07/2010 8:07:20 PM PST by wideminded
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To: humblegunner
doesnt look like itll swing past the mag either...

try the 'wire' type side folder,it doesnt bother the controls and it sets the butt to a more comfy angle on the shoulder as well...

122 posted on 03/07/2010 8:15:16 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: mylife

In that we are in complete agreement.


123 posted on 03/07/2010 8:30:18 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: wideminded

only once did i manage to get the whole roll to pop on a single brick bash...thought i was gonna be permanently deaf...


124 posted on 03/07/2010 8:32:22 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: wideminded

I was frustrated that cap makers couldn’t seem to agree with toy gun makers on a standard alignment and spacing. The result was often either no bang (sometimes with wasted caps) or two bangs together. Hitting them on the floor with a hammer was more satisfying because that always worked.


125 posted on 03/07/2010 8:58:30 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Gilbo_3

The yugo will swing past a 30 rd mag, but not a 40


126 posted on 03/07/2010 9:17:50 PM PST by mylife (Opinions...$1 Halfbaked...50c)
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To: wideminded
they made much louder bang sounds than modern cap guns

I'll bet the print on everything you read was larger then, too.

127 posted on 03/07/2010 9:39:09 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (:: The government will do for health care what it did for real estate. ::)
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To: upchuck
Regarding my grenade launcher, do I paint the tip of the barrel orange or the tip of the grenade? Or maybe both just to be sure?

Remember the old Army adage, "If you can't move it, paint it. If it has a switchblade knife, *SALUTE* it!" (Courtesy of Tom T. Hall...)

the infowarrior

128 posted on 03/07/2010 10:18:39 PM PST by infowarrior
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To: Jeff Chandler; HiTech RedNeck
they made much louder bang sounds than modern cap guns

I'll bet the print on everything you read was larger then, too.

1. I was playing with caps for quite some time before I learned to read, although that was at a normal age.

2. My recollection is that roll caps used to have noticeably raised bumps containing the gunpowder. The caps I have been able to obtain in more recent times for both my sons are much flatter, contain less powder, and therefore do not make as loud a bang.

3. "The revision of the US Standard Consumer Safety Specification for Toy Safety ASTM F963-07, which became effective in February 2009, among other issues addresses the maximum noise level for various types of toys, including those for cap guns.

"... the maximum impulsive sound level measured at a 50 cm distance from the ear is established at 125 decibels (dB). "

4. The previous CPSC regulation required that the maximum allowed sound intensity for caps was 158 decibels at 25 cm. This is equivalent to 152 dB at 50 cm. This regulation is no older than 1973.

5. Some websites which discuss cap guns which I consulted indicate that caps used to contain on the order of 0.20 grains of powder. This ad from an online toy company says that their ring caps contain less than 0.002 grains of powder.

129 posted on 03/08/2010 3:03:30 AM PST by wideminded
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To: Gilbo_3
doesnt look like itll swing past the mag either...

You have to open out the shoulder butt plate or it won't.

Odd design.

130 posted on 03/08/2010 6:08:37 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: wideminded

You’d get more noise from a mechanical snapper.


131 posted on 03/08/2010 6:09:38 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: OldTypeAmerican

New bolt spring and a little breakfree every 200 rounds. My M1 has a single spring, newer models have dual springs.


132 posted on 03/08/2010 6:38:36 AM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: smokingfrog

What’s with that top she is wearing?


133 posted on 03/08/2010 7:45:09 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Personal freedom begins when you tell Old Mrs. Grundy to go to Hell." -Lazarus Long)
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To: humblegunner
too many oddities in that deign fer me, simple is better in tools of all kinds...

hence my like of the wire type side folder [still havent found the 'correct' screws tho]...even closed, the safety is easily accessable and the use of any mag is there as well, [although the 30 is best IMO as that is what its made for in everyday hands]...

134 posted on 03/08/2010 8:10:57 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Beelzebubba

Heck if I know. Trying to make a Sig Sauer T-shirt look sexy?


135 posted on 03/08/2010 12:57:38 PM PST by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... WWW.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: wideminded
That has to be about the most research on the progression of gunpowder-cap design I've ever seen assembled in one place.

I have to admit, I admire the sheer gumption of it, though. "Oh, you doubt me? Well, here's just a little evidence I know what I'm talking about... (THUD!) So there!"

136 posted on 04/14/2010 12:31:17 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: Christian_Capitalist
I had forgotten about that post. Based on the time stamp, maybe I spent too much time in the middle of the night doing the research for it. It is obvious that caps used to be loud and now they are lame. Besides clarifying that this change wasn't part of my imagination I was interested to see the reasons for it, which seem to include:

1. Caps are not as important a toy anymore so the remaining vendors save money by lowering quality and kids don't know what they're missing.
2. Government regulation and the safety culture.

137 posted on 04/16/2010 2:25:15 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: Copernicus

http://www.kmov.com/news/editors-pick/Toy-guns-modified-into-working-revolver-shot-gun-confiscated-in-Granite-City-police-say-285595311.html

Toy guns modified to be one shot zip guns


138 posted on 12/24/2014 1:41:02 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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