A question for birthers: why Mombassa?

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[curiosity]

The origin of modern myths and legends is a side interest of mine, the birther myths among them.

Now I understand why Obama being born in Kenya made it into your belief system, despite it being physically impluasible (requiring around 5 days and five flights, most on propeller planes) and financially impossible (it would have cost about a year of her parents' combined salaries) for Stanley Ann & Obama Sr. to travel there for her to give birth. After all, Obama's Father was from Kenya, so if you are going to make up a myth about Obama being born abroad, what better place than Kenya?

Implausibilty, and even impossiblilty doesn't deter the making of myths if there is a strong emotional reason to believe them, as in this case.

What I don't understand is, of all possible places in Kenya, why make Mombassa the birthplace in your myth? If you look at the map of Kenya, it's on the other end of the country from Obama Sr.'s village, 762 miles away, which would make it a minimum 2 day train ride. Probably longer, since Kenyan trains were very fast in 1961.

I suppose you could argue that there were no hospitals in Obama's village, so they had to travel to a major city. But Nairobi was closer, and more modern.

So why Mombassa? Not only is it completely implausible; I don't see the emotional appeal. Why Mombasssa rather than his father's village? Or why Mombassa rather than Nairobi?

Help me out here, birthers. Why do you reserve this special place for Mombassa in your belief system?

[curiosity]

You see, dummy, I arrived by the natural way at that time by a vessel floating on the sea and propelled by large screw, and closest entry was the port of Mombasa. At that time, when you still was not dry behind the ears, traveling by freighters was not uncommon!!!

LOL. So you're saying a 6-7 month pregnant American college coed would take a voyage to Kenya by freighter? For what?

Do we even have any reason to believe that a freighter calling at Hawaii would ever have any reason to stop in Kenya? For what?

That's even loonier than the notion that she flew!

[Jude in WV]

this is the first time I ever heard that

[curiosity]

As for requiring the parents birth place could that be because they wanted only NATURAL BORN (Hawaiian) CITIZENS to be eligible for the Hawaii Homelands scam?

Nope. The reason is that you have to prove Hawaiian ancestry, not just Hawaiian birth, to get in on the scam. Part of that means proving your parents were born in Hawaii, but there's more to it than that.

Now tell me, what exactly is on the long form, that's not on the short form, that you need to know to determine Obama's eligibility?

[little jeremiah]

I was referring to what he said about Mombassa, I thought he was saying something in that regard.

His info about the renouncement of citizenship rings true (IMO). I think it very, very likely.

Actually there are about 3 or 4 reasons why 0kaka isn’t eligible. If one is found to be not true, it leaves the others!

[curiosity]

Stanley Ann AND her mother didn’t have a motive?

Nope. If you think they had one, please tell me.

Like illegals have no motive for crossing the border as illegals ...

Stanley Ann wasn't an illegal, but a US citizen. While because of her age her child wouldn't automatically be a US citizen if born abroad, she could easily, and legally obtain naturalized citizenship for him.

So I ask you again, what was the motive for the fraud?

[little jeremiah]

I think the hirelings (whoever they are) have been instructed to ramp up the disinfo campaign since the ineligibility topic is gaining traction.

:-)

[Jude in WV]

I recall hearing this story. It seems to have been a soldier on leave visiting in Hawaii. After hearing all this controversy, he recalled talking with the young man years ago. He told of their conversation and how he was sure it had been Obama.

[Red Steel]

LOL. Do you honestly think they were making regular flights to Kenya?

Honestly, are you this incurious? Do you actually think the modern jet age began after when you were born? And if you were born before then, you are the least curious person not to know the fact that regular commercial jet flights were flying around the world way before Obama was born.

You have a documented witness who has told you straight in your face that Obama told him that he was born in Monbassa, Kenya. Is that a myth Obot?

British Overseas Airways Corporation (BOAC) flights were in and out of Kenya on a regular basis:

" Kenya - Nairobi 1956 etc., By Maurice Flanagan

When I joined in January 1953, with memories of the war still lingering, BOAC was often said by some resentful persons to stand for 'Bastards Overseas Avoiding Conscription."

At Eastleigh Airport in the second half of the fifties before Embakasi was opened in 1957 (I think), the runway surface consisted of compacted murram, the red East African soil. It became sloppy when wet."

Low-winged Constellations would have suffered flap damage on landing if the surface was too sloppy, and we did not keep spare flaps on the station. Our solution was to drive flat out down the runway, slap the brakes on, and if the car rotated, advise the captain to divert."

-end snip-

"Nairobi 1960 to 1962"

"A British United Airways Britannia viewed from the departure gate at Embakasi Airport
with its up-dated signpost which replaced the more famous original at Eastleigh
- PHOTO Malcolm McCrow."

You are just too easy.

[rolling_stone]

Nope. The reason is that you have to prove Hawaiian ancestry, not just Hawaiian birth, to get in on the scam. Part of that means proving your parents were born in Hawaii, but there's more to it than that.

You are so stuck on stupid you can't see a joke when it is spelled out.

Now tell me, what exactly is on the long form, that's not on the short form, that you need to know to determine Obama's eligibility?

Well how about where his parents were born for starters.....

[curiosity]

Where in there do you find a way to submit an abstract known as a COLB and it would be sufficient on its own?

From these words:

"A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar's signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth."

Obama's COLB meets all the above requirements. It's got a raised seal, the registrar's signature, and it was filed within 4 days if his birth.

Furthermore, the Hawaii DOH explicitly says their COLB is good enough to get a passport.

Of course, instead of focusing on the above text, you focus on the following:

Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.

For some reason, you seem to have missed the word "some." You see, some abstracts, not all, are not acceptable. Why? From the context, it's obvious that some abstracts don't have one of the following: a raised seal, registrar's signature, or dated filed. But Obama's does, so it's obvious that his abstract is fine.

Does it not make sense to you that Barry proferred a fraudulent document and he knows it,

No, since there's not a shred of evidence to suggest he did any such thing.

since he provided one for college,

I went to Columbia just like Barry. I never had to show them by birth certificate. I don't know what the policy is at occidental, but I have no reason to believe it is any different.

to obtain his original passport

He could very well have presented a COLB similar to the one he posted.

and then found one among his mother's belongings upon her death. Why would he not just slap up one of those? Why?

Perhaps because he lost it, or he had it in a box somewhere in his garage and couldn't find it, or perhaps he had to submit it for some reason and never got it back.

People do lose birth certificates, you know. Why else would states issue new copies of them on demand?

[jamese777]

WOW!! I had no idea that Barack Hussein Obama was applying to become an indigenous native Hawaiian.

Here’s what the state of Hawaii has to say, not me:
“Question: What is the state’s policy for issuing a “Certification of Live Birth” versus a “Certificate of Live Birth”? My first, second and fourth children received certificates, but my third and fifth children received certifications. Why the difference? The certificate contains more information, such as the name of hospital, certifier’s name and title; attendant’s name and title, etc. The certification has only the child’s name, date and time of birth, sex, city/island/county of birth, mother’s maiden name, mother’s race, father’s name and father’s race. Why doesn’t the state just issue certificates? When did it stop issuing certificates? Is it possible to obtain certificates for my third and fifth children?

Answer: No, you can’t obtain a “certificate of live birth” anymore.

The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.

The department only issues “certifications” of live births, and that is the “official birth certificate” issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.

And, it’s only available in electronic form.

Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.

“At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting,” she said.

Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department.

“The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests,” Okubo said.

Asked for more information about the short-form versus long-form birth documents, Okubo said the Health Department “does not have a short-form or long-form certificate.”

“The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models,” she said.

Okubo also emphasized the certification form “contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate.”

She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state’s current certification of live birth “as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements.”

The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year’s presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama’s American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign Web site a fake.

Asked about that document, Okubo said, “This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate.”
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[curiosity]

Well how about where his parents were born for starters.....

First of all, you already know that, so why do you need to see the long form?

Second of all, how exactly is that relevant to his eligibility?

[usmcobra]

LOL. Do you honestly think they were making regular flights to Kenya?

Check this site out

707-436 G-APFJ BOAC-Nigeria Airways: London-Heathrow, August 1963

You are obviously not a fan of the Beatles...Flew in from Miami Beach BOAC

By the way this particular aircraft still exists.

[curiosity]

Uh...those planes in your post aren't jets.

[curiosity]

Nigeria is not Kenya, and 1963 is not 1961.

[curiosity]

You have a documented witness who has told you straight in your face that Obama told him that he was born in Monbassa, Kenya. Is that a myth Obot?

No. It's inadmissable hearsay from a whitness who has no credibility.

[Red Steel]

Hirelings who are epic failures. It is no myth that the Canadian government has to hide Obama's past in fear they may hurt the Marxist as in destroy his presidency. This is totally unprecedented.

[Red Steel]

You have a documented witness who has told you straight in your face that Obama told him that he was born in Monbassa, Kenya. Is that a myth Obot?

YOU: No. It's inadmissable hearsay from a whitness who has no credibility.

You are ...shall I say slow. Race Bannon heard it first hand from Obama, the horse's mouth, who told him he was from Monbassa, Kenya.

The definition of hearsay:

"Noun 1. hearsay hearsay - gossip (usually a mixture of truth and untruth) passed around by word of mouth rumor, rumour

scuttlebutt, gossip, comment - a report (often malicious) about the behavior of other people; "the divorce caused much gossip"

Adj. 1. hearsay - heard through another rather than directly; "hearsay information"

Race Bannon has more credibility than you do. How about we put that to a vote on FR?

[Candor7]

This guy is an Obot troll. He is here for one reason,. To prevent Obamas eligibility from becomeomg an election issue in November. BUT TOO LATE. The State of Arizona has passed a law requiring proof of presidential clients qualification under Article II section 1 of the Constitution. Obama will never run for the office again. The problem is that he may be turfed from office soon! These trolls and Obots have been sent out by Holder and Axworthy to stop the trend.Its called herding the trend.

I love TROLLS, they have the wrong politics to even be here.

[usmcobra]

Nigeria is not Kenya, and 1963 is not 1961.

BOAC started using 707's in 1960.

British Overseas Airways Corporation (BOAC) was the official long haul airline of Britain from 1946 to 1974 when it merged with BEA (British European Airways) and became British Airways. I don't suppose I have to remind you wthat at the time Kenya was a British colony and would have had BOAC service to it?