You forgot the sarcasm label.
Posted on 06/11/2010 5:49:03 PM PDT by USALiberty
Neither Barack Hussein Obama nor anyone else has shown that the man meets that requirement (setting aside the other two in the Article). He has never shown himself to be eligible to hold the office he now occupies. The man is putatively your Commander-in-Chief and certainly, that means if he is not legally that, then your actions in helping to shield him grossly violate the black letter law of our country, as does his promulgation of orders, funding, etc. for all of the military – you included. His waging of war (whether declared or undeclared) is not valid if he is not legally eligible to hold the office, and much of that sort of reasoning, along with the pretense of underlings such as you in carrying out all orders from on high without question, is what the Nuremberg Trials were all about after World War II. Perhaps you are too young to remember those, but I am not.
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In paragraph 5, you speak of “facially proper” orders given to the defendant as though that were some inarguable justification for your rulings. It is not, since, as should be obvious to you, the orders given to the defendants at Nuremberg were also “facially proper,” but despite that, several of those being tried were executed. You should keep that in mind as you seek to violate the mandatory language for Presidential eligibility in the Constitution. It does not say the man SHOULD BE but rather that he SHALL BE a “natural born Citizen,” which is a particular term of art in that document. In the military legal proceeding at hand, you are not being asked to prove or disprove the Constitutional eligibility of the putative President, but merely that evidence be gathered and presented to the court on that matter.
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I certainly hope your /s tag is legit.....have you ever lived and worked with a bunch of tired old 'waiting to suckle' very senior Marines for a full year (and it was a friggin LEAP year!)?
We don't have the Guadalcanal Marine Corps anymore......far from it.
You forgot the sarcasm label.
Who’s whining? You’re trying to compare apples to kumquats
Your making comparisons, folks are attempting to put things into context for you.
As for those hazardous professions you mentioned, those folks can WALK away at anytime. Try doing that in the middle of a firefight or turning aircraft for combat missions. Those folks volunteered for those jobs as well. Who is coerced into working in any job in this country?
The time away from home is not irrelevant. As you’re attempting to compare military benefits to civilians there are also drawbacks to doing one vs. the other.
If you honestly believe folks in the military are being “enriched” monetarily because of their service, you really are uninformed.
IF you care so much about the Constitution then you would know that. I can’t imagine any Constitutional role for the military in this situation other than to say Yes, Sir.
I would say that over 99% of the military knows this. You might have a few here and there that may think otherwise, but pretty much all the military knows that they're not going to turn the U.S. military into a third-world military junta and do a coup... LOL ...
They have more pride than that, in their profession, and in defending this country.
From what I can gather, proving one is eligible involves making your original birth certificate public. Has any President done so? Could we just as easily say Bush and Clinton didn't show themselves to be eligible either?
No, there has been no President who has ever been required to show his birth certificate. It's never been a legal requirement. All that the previous Presidents of this country have ever had to do is sign legal paperwork affirming that they are qualified per the Constitution and give that to each Secretary of State for the various states and that gets them on the ballot. I also believe that the political parties also have their candidate sign legal paperwork in which the candidate affirms that he is legally qualified.
That's pretty much all that has ever been done in the past with all our Presidents.
However, it would be a good idea for the states to make it a legal requirement that any candidate must produce his birth certificate or else that state will not place the candidate on the ballot.
That's something that I've been saying (since right after the election of Obama) should be done. And there have been several states that have tried to push through legislation for that, too. I believe it's been Arizona, Texas, Oklahoma and Missouri. But, I don't think any of them have succeeded in getting it passed yet. I would like to see a few states pass that legislation. Then I would like to see Obama be required to show it or not be on the ballot in those states ... LOL ...
This article is asking the Military to overthrow a sitting President. If that happens our way of life is over.
They're advocating violating the Constitution in order to save the Constitution, doncha know ... LOL ...
True this is not Germany, true that our officers take a oath to defend the constitution, True(probley) 85% of the officers despise obama. But at what point will the 85% of the Patriots stand up to the blind career guys and correct the injustice to the constitution and the American people.
There was a underground(civilian) that fought against hitler, but most of the military did not become involved until later in the war when they realized the impending outcome of Hitler’s rule. Hilter’s “command” of the military was one of the reasons we won the war( one stupid order after another). The little corporal( world war 1 rank) didn’t have a clue ,but most officers still obeyed his orders.
obama is gong to try and set a example with the Dr. so that other active duty officers will think twice about questioning his right to be President.
>>> No one in the military is going to do something silly on the basis of rumors and accusations, unless they don’t care about sitting in jail or losing their careers
Absolutely right. And beyond that, Op’s line of reasoning would inevitably soon lead to a Praetorian Guard mindset, installing and deposing “Emperors” as they see fit. We can do without that slippery slope.
That’s something that I’ve been saying (since right after the election of Obama) should be done. And there have been several states that have tried to push through legislation for that, too. I believe it’s been Arizona, Texas, Oklahoma and Missouri. But, I don’t think any of them have succeeded in getting it passed yet. I would like to see a few states pass that legislation. Then I would like to see Obama be required to show it or not be on the ballot in those states ... LOL ...
The computerized short form birth certificates are utilized in many states these days as the official state birth certificate. Hawaii is one of those states.
Here’s the law: The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004, Section 7211, mandated that minimum standards be set for birth certificates acceptable for federal purposes. The Department of Health and Human Services (of which the National Center for Health Statistics is a part) was tasked with issuing the standard. The statute defined a “birth certificate” as follows:
(a) DEFINITION- In this section, the term `birth certificate’ means a certificate of birth–
(1) for an individual (regardless of where born)–
(A) who is a citizen or national of the United States at birth; and
(B) whose birth is registered in the United States; and
(2) that–
(A) is issued by a Federal, State, or local government agency or authorized custodian of record and produced from birth records maintained by such agency or custodian of record; or
(B) is an authenticated copy, issued by a Federal, State, or local government agency or authorized custodian of record, of an original certificate of birth issued by such agency or custodian of record.
The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act specifically mandates three categories of minimum standards for vital registration, including standards on (1) the certification of birth certificates and the use of safety paper, (2) proof and verification of identity as a condition of issuance of a birth certificate, and (3) processing of birth certificate applications to prevent fraud.
Obama’s short form COLB has been authenticated by the state of Hawaii and he will/would use it to get on the ballot in 2012. The short form contains all of the Constitutionally required information which is place of birth and date of birth.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”—July 27, 2009
Thanks for the interesting information and that’s good to know.
As far as my interest in it... it was merely to “provide a birth certificate” in answer to those who requested one. And I was one of those who was wanting to see one prior to the elections. But, then I finally realized that there was no legal requirement to produce a birth certificate in order to run for that office.
That’s why I mention having that requirement put into place with the various states.
AND... whatever “birth certificate” is requested for passports, for driver’s licenses, for any other Federal or State requirements — that same birth certificate which is required for all normal citizens, should be fine for any candidate to produce. I’m not looking for any “more” than what any other normal and average citizen would be required to produce.
Thanks for the interesting information and that’s good to know.
As far as my interest in it... it was merely to “provide a birth certificate” in answer to those who requested one. And I was one of those who was wanting to see one prior to the elections. But, then I finally realized that there was no legal requirement to produce a birth certificate in order to run for that office.
That’s why I mention having that requirement put into place with the various states.
AND... whatever “birth certificate” is requested for passports, for driver’s licenses, for any other Federal or State requirements — that same birth certificate which is required for all normal citizens, should be fine for any candidate to produce. I’m not looking for any “more” than what any other normal and average citizen would be required to produce.
Tell me...in 2000, were you one of the leftists telling the military to disobey orders because GWB wasn’t the legitimate President?
If you believe the crap in this article, you don’t understand the Constitution at all.
obama is gong to try and set a example with the Dr. so that other active duty officers will think twice about questioning his right to be President.
The General who will ultimately decide Lieutenant Colonel Lakin’s fate is Major General Karl R. Horst. He was appointed to his current position by President Obama and he was promoted to Major General last November by Barack Obama.
“The total value of all benefits and allowances received by military personnel is substantial compared to the private sector.”
Free market, dude. If the military is overpaid, folks would be fighting to get in. I spent over 25 years in the military, and lots of civilians wouldn’t have done my job at any price...but again, if I was overpaid, then more would have fought to get in.
do you think obama would appoint any one to a high postion if he thought he might not be “loyal” to his agenda?
do you think obama would appoint any one to a high postion if he thought he might not be “loyal” to his agenda?
Gates is just a politican, will be loyal to the highest bidder. No loyalty to country.
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