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IS THE MILITARY DOMINATED BY POLITICS?
Post & Email ^ | Jun. 24, 2010 | Sharon Rondeau

Posted on 06/24/2010 5:01:33 AM PDT by USALiberty

The fawning mainstream media has stated that with the choice of Gen. David Petraeus to assume McChrystal’s post, he chose a “a popular and press-savvy military leader.” Is that what is needed right now: a “popular” and “press-savvy” leader? What about someone who can win in Afghanistan? Are military promotions purely political?

What type of leadership would follow the orders of a usurper to the presidency? Are they protecting their own positions and income by denying discovery to Lt. Col. Lakin? Are they upholding the oath they took to uphold the Constitution of the United States and to protect against all enemies, foreign and domestic when the person giving the orders could be foreign-born with foreign allegiances? How could any general or officer operate under such conditions?

What has happened to our once proud military?

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: certifigate; kenyanusurper; mcchrystal; military; naturalborncitizen; petraeus
Sharon Rondeau is emerging as one of the most sensible new voices on the side of patriotism.
1 posted on 06/24/2010 5:01:37 AM PDT by USALiberty
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To: USALiberty

Once an officer attains LTC it is nothing but politics.


2 posted on 06/24/2010 5:13:14 AM PDT by Shamrock-DW
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To: USALiberty
Looks like the democrats want to loose another war. Viet Nam was lost by demorats defending just when the war was being won! Cronkite and Kerry were commie want to be activists but it looks like Boama has beat them to destroying the country.
3 posted on 06/24/2010 5:16:04 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: USALiberty

Any time people are involved, its political. The one exception is if you are facing an imminent threat.


4 posted on 06/24/2010 5:16:13 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Shamrock-DW

I fear there are lots of wesley clarkes and sestaks lurking in the command structure.


5 posted on 06/24/2010 5:16:33 AM PDT by gthog61
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To: USALiberty
A friend once told me that there are specific reasons why an Army officer must present a full color photo and submit his/her religious identity to a promotion board.

He went on to say that the Army promotes their officers on a quota system with percentages allocated by sex, race and religion.

Yes, while some Army officers are promoted based on merit and professionalism, many of them are promoted based on their skin color, sex and/or religion.

Anyone who says otherwise is a damn fool, liar or both.

6 posted on 06/24/2010 5:17:47 AM PDT by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them.)
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To: USALiberty
"What about someone who can win in Afghanistan?"

That's an invalid question. Zero's decision to announce the withdrawal at the same time as he announced the surge is a clear indication that he was never intent on winning....even if that were possible.

7 posted on 06/24/2010 5:20:11 AM PDT by O6ret (for)
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To: USALiberty

What a naive question (headline)...


8 posted on 06/24/2010 5:24:21 AM PDT by dps.inspect (uttox)
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To: Prole

“He went on to say that the Army promotes their officers on a quota system with percentages allocated by sex, race and religion. “

My father was a Marine. He related that in the 60’s there was a year in which the promotion board wanted to eliminate any possibility of bias against minority soldiers - so they removed pictures from the portfolio and instead relied on the presented narratives and accomplishments - with no reference to race.

The next year they returned to using pictures.

Now, they probably rely on them for primary qualifications.


9 posted on 06/24/2010 5:24:38 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: USALiberty

She may be, but she has a lot to learn about the military.


10 posted on 06/24/2010 5:29:20 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: rbg81

11 posted on 06/24/2010 5:30:05 AM PDT by cartoonistx
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To: USALiberty

Obama needs to be impeached, tried for treason and sent to Gitmo to rot with his muslim buddies.


12 posted on 06/24/2010 5:30:05 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: O6ret

“What about someone who can win in Afghanistan?”

Absent a decision to glaze the countrside wit nuclear weapons, there is no “win” in the word “Afghanistan”. Thirteen centuries of Islam overlying even more centuries of tribal alliances drive everything. We would have been better off keeping things in the spec ops world, finding and killing Taliban and AQ leadership.


13 posted on 06/24/2010 5:31:56 AM PDT by Pecos
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To: O6ret

“What about someone who can win in Afghanistan?”

Absent a decision to glaze the countrside with nuclear weapons, there is no “win” in the word “Afghanistan”. Thirteen centuries of Islam overlying even more centuries of tribal alliances drive everything. We would have been better off keeping things in the spec ops world, finding and killing Taliban and AQ leadership.


14 posted on 06/24/2010 5:32:01 AM PDT by Pecos
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To: O6ret

“What about someone who can win in Afghanistan?”

Absent a decision to glaze the countrside with nuclear weapons, there is no “win” in the word “Afghanistan”. Thirteen centuries of Islam overlying even more centuries of tribal alliances drive everything. We would have been better off keeping things in the spec ops world, finding and killing Taliban and AQ leadership.


15 posted on 06/24/2010 5:32:01 AM PDT by Pecos
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To: Prole

Those who are promoted on merit and accomplishment scare Hell out of those ticket punchers that pucker up and assume the position every time a DC politician visits their unit.


16 posted on 06/24/2010 5:32:01 AM PDT by BTCM (Death and destruction is the only treaty Muslims comprehend.)
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To: RFEngineer

When I was in the Air Force, the “party line” was everything had to be 100% politically correct. The AF saw themselves as and “equal opportunity” social adjuster. Based on that, you can draw your own conclusions how things went concerning promotions, assignments, etc.


17 posted on 06/24/2010 5:32:08 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (The 0bama regime represents an "Clear and Present Danger" to the US - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Prole

’ a quota system with percentages allocated by sex, race and religion.’

This is very true!!!

This applies to the enlisted personnel and also applies to duty assignments.

I’ve seen it first hand.

I worked for the US ARMY in Alexandria for four years and it the quota system was rampant.


18 posted on 06/24/2010 5:33:40 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: RFEngineer

Precisely, and I believe your father 100%.


19 posted on 06/24/2010 5:34:46 AM PDT by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge
It's quite a madhouse over there!

Your assessment of the situation is spot on.

20 posted on 06/24/2010 5:36:13 AM PDT by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them.)
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To: mountainlion

The United States WILL lose the war in Afghanistan. As in Vietnam, DIPLOMATS and POLITICIANS armed with nothing more than bright ideas, academic theories, and fervent wishes are putting their noses into places they don’t belong.
Any “GOOD” executive realizes you get the best, most able and competent leaders and then get the hell out of the way.
Even Roosevelt and Truman, while they set national policy did NOT direct minute by minute, hour by hour, and day by day strategy for the military. Eisenhower was ordered to invade Europe and he was allowed to plan the greatest invasion in history and was given the tools to do the job. The same held in the Pacific. I may well be wrong, but I think the ONLY “specific, direct, single (double) event personally directed by Truman” was the dropping of the two Atomic bombs, which ended the war.
Truman did NOT interfere with day to day operations in Korea, but the men on the ground fought the war according to national policy. When MacArthur vocally criticized that policy and desired to expand the war, Truman did what the president had to do. MacArthur never “offended” Truman, he challenged him openly and loudly.
We are going rapidly down an oft traveled road to a bad result. As usual the price will be paid in waster American blood, while the denizens of ACADEME will smile.


21 posted on 06/24/2010 5:40:12 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf ( NY Times: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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To: USALiberty
IS THE MILITARY DOMINATED BY POLITICS?

Always has been.

22 posted on 06/24/2010 5:40:25 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: CaptainAmiigaf
As in Vietnam, DIPLOMATS and POLITICIANS armed with nothing more than bright ideas, academic theories, and fervent wishes are putting their noses into places they don’t belong.

You forgot the other parallel. As in Vietnam we're supporting a corrupt regime that doesn't have the support of a majority of its people, and we are surrounded by people who see is as part of their problem and not the solution to their troubles.

23 posted on 06/24/2010 5:42:36 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: USALiberty

Of course it is.


24 posted on 06/24/2010 5:44:45 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: USALiberty
IS THE [insert any national topic here] DOMINATED BY POLITICS?

For the last 18 months, every important topic has been asked:

"What political gain is there for me?"

Instead of:

"How can this problem be solved for the benefit of America?"

25 posted on 06/24/2010 6:01:51 AM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (FDR had the New Deal. President 0bama has the Raw Deal.)
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To: Prole

The quota’s have been reduced because of the Lamberth decision. The uniform picture is to simply make sure you don’t look fat and present a military appearance in uniform.


26 posted on 06/24/2010 6:03:38 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: USALiberty
Are they protecting their own positions and income by denying discovery to Lt. Col. Lakin?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

My question as well.

27 posted on 06/24/2010 6:22:40 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Non-Sequitur

I was about to post the same thing. War is the continuation of politics by other means.


28 posted on 06/24/2010 6:28:13 AM PDT by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

I wish you were wrong but I know you are right.


29 posted on 06/24/2010 6:34:06 AM PDT by pepperdog (As Israel goes, so goes America!)
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To: Pecos

“Absent a decision to glaze the countrside wit nuclear weapons, there is no “win” in the word “Afghanistan”. Thirteen centuries of Islam overlying even more centuries of tribal alliances drive everything. We would have been better off keeping things in the spec ops world, finding and killing Taliban and AQ leadership.”

Amen Brother!


30 posted on 06/24/2010 7:34:36 AM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: USALiberty
But what about Obama? Has he not undermined the military by refusing to prove that he is constitutionally qualified to serve as “Commander-in-Chief”? A decorated Army physician is facing court martial over Obama’s unwillingness or inability to produce documentation that he is a “natural born Citizen.” What kind of Commander-in-Chief would allow such a thing to happen to one of his soldiers?

What type of leadership would follow the orders of a usurper to the presidency? Are they protecting their own positions and income by denying discovery to Lt. Col. Lakin? Are they upholding the oath they took to uphold the Constitution of the United States and to protect against all enemies, foreign and domestic when the person giving the orders could be foreign-born with foreign allegiances? How could any general or officer operate under such conditions?

All of the above questions are my questions as well, especially, "What type of leadership would follow the orders of a usurper to the presidency?"

31 posted on 06/24/2010 9:45:19 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

All of the above questions are my questions as well, especially, “What type of leadership would follow the orders of a usurper to the presidency?”


The answer to your question is: What type of leaderhip? Military leadership who are familiar with the Uniform Code of Military Justice and understand the concepts of Lawfulness of orders and the de facto officer doctrine.
Civilian leadership comes and goes, as do commanders-in-chiefs but commitment to protecting the nation takes precedence over political considerations.

From the Uniform Code of Military Justice:
“Inference of lawfulness. An order requiring the performance of a military duty or act may be inferred to be lawful and it is disobeyed at the peril of the subordinate. This inference does not apply to a patently illegal order, such as one that directs the commission of a crime.”

The de facto officer doctrine has been spelled out very precisely by the Supreme Court since 1886:
“The de facto officer doctrine confers validity upon acts performed by a person acting under the color of official title even though it is later discovered that the legality of that person’s appointment or election to office is deficient. Norton v. Shelby County, 118 U.S. 425, 440 (1886). “The de facto doctrine springs from the fear of the chaos that would result from multiple and repetitious suits challenging every action taken by every official whose claim to office could be open to question, and seeks to protect the public by insuring the orderly functioning of the government despite technical defects in title to office.” 63A Am. Jur. 2d, Public Officers and Employees § 578, pp. 1080-1081 (1984).”


32 posted on 06/24/2010 11:24:46 AM PDT by jamese777
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To: wintertime
All of the above questions are my questions as well, especially, "What type of leadership would follow the orders of a usurper to the presidency?"

Clearly Petraeus is a an Obot.

33 posted on 06/24/2010 12:17:38 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Shamrock-DW

Darn straight.


34 posted on 06/24/2010 12:25:36 PM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: O6ret

Also, we’re not willing to do what would be necessary to win in Afghanistan.


35 posted on 06/24/2010 12:28:44 PM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

He probably attended public indoctrination centers as a child, too.


36 posted on 06/24/2010 12:30:20 PM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: jamese777
What type of leaderhip?
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Personally, I would resign or retire if I had any doubt about the natural born legitimacy of the “defacto” person occupying the White House. If I had to strain to swallow any “defacto officer” rationalization, I would be out of there.

37 posted on 06/24/2010 12:49:40 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: Little Ray

No matter what Zero says or who he sends, no matter how many more troops they surge, even if they change the withdrawal date, it’s not possible to “win” in A’stan.

Ask the Russians. Ask McChrystal. Ask the soldiers that are on their 3d and 4th tours in that Godforsaken hell-hole. It’s one step forward and two steps back.


38 posted on 06/24/2010 3:10:28 PM PDT by O6ret (for)
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To: wintertime

Personally, I would resign or retire if I had any doubt about the natural born legitimacy of the “defacto” person occupying the White House. If I had to strain to swallow any “defacto officer” rationalization, I would be out of there.


The US has always had a military that just goes out and does its job and leaves the politics to the politicians. About 2 million active duty and ready reserve military are currently just doing their jobs and about 4 active duty military have refused to do their jobs in acts of protest.

I have no problem at all with folks who choose to resign, that’s their right. I have no problem with folks within the military who in their free time organize and campaign to defeat national leadership that they can’t support or believe in. That’s the right of every American.

But if you have accepted an Obama administration paycheck since January 20, 2009, I suggest that you either do your duty or get out. If you elect not to follow orders of your superiors, expect to be court martialed, convicted, sentenced and punished. One of the punishments that is available for a conviction for refusing to deploy is “dropped from the rolls” which is the military equivalent of being fired from the military by President Barack Obama.


Now if Secretary of Defense Gates, General Petraeus, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Admiral Mike Mullen refused to take Obama’s orders, then we’d be talking about something to take seriously.


39 posted on 06/24/2010 5:02:17 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: O6ret

Ask the Brits. After the initial disaster, they managed a win. So did the Mongols and Alexander the Great.

If you’re willing to be nasty enough (as nasty or nastier than the natives) you CAN win.


40 posted on 06/25/2010 9:32:39 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Little Ray

Alas, times have changed.

Now we have humane ways of waging war that are governed by such advanced developments as the Geneva Convention and Rules of Engagement.

For the U.S., at this juncture in history in the Islamic Middle East, it’s a lose-lose proposition.

More importantly, you can’t “give” people “freedom”. There can be no democracy where individual rights are not valued.


41 posted on 06/25/2010 10:28:41 AM PDT by O6ret (for)
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To: O6ret

IMHO, the problem is not with the Geneva Convention, but with our interpretation of it. If I understand correctly, our opponents, not being a uniformed national army have no protection from the GC, nor does anyone providing them support. They are bandits and partisans, not soldiers, subject to brutal interrogations and swift executions.

Second, why should we give a d@mn about Afghanis or Iraqis? We’re not there for them, we’re there for us... Stop trying to “give them freedom” and put in someone competent and nasty enough to keep a lid on things for a few decades.


42 posted on 06/25/2010 10:38:19 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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