Posted on 06/30/2010 10:24:34 AM PDT by 13Sisters76
Please forgive the vanity post- I know you all hate them. But I am driven to ask this question- WHy cannot the people demand the resignation of this totallly incompetent man? And not just him- ALL his appointees and czars, AND his SC appointees, as well.
In 1973, the media, backed by a handful of leftist activists, drove Nixon from office- who had been elected in a landslide that the demonRATs can only dream of. The majority of the people did not want this to happen, but it happened anyway. Now it is the PEOPLE who want this man and his minions gone, but WE can't do what THEY did? I know, I know- there are petitions out there and I have signed a few. But I am talking a GROUNDSWELL- I'm talking a major concentrated effort by the people. Someone MUST know how to start this. If the lefties can do it, then certainly those with a brain can.
Isn't it time? Can't we DO this? This is OUR country and those with traitorous, anti-Constitutional plans can't stop us if this is what we demand. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm beginning to think we are running out of time.
Demanding his resignation will only serve to motivate the left to dig in their heals and sling mud. Wait until November.
They take an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Where in the Constitution does it give them the power to remove the elected government?
Damn you're dumb.
he will not resign because his handlers are calling the shots and taking down our economy. What we need are 3 good generals to step forward to remove him. Each general would oversee each branch of government.
When the “Commander in Chief” is VIOLATING the Constitution, can’t the MILITARY who reports to this cretin, then say YOU are incompetent and an ENEMY of the people and REMOVE HIM?
Uh, no.t
When the “Commander in Chief” is VIOLATING the Constitution, can’t the MILITARY who reports to this cretin, then say YOU are incompetent and an ENEMY of the people and REMOVE HIM?
Uh, no.t
You would do well to read other sources of historical fact, instead of accepting in whole the creations of elitist academics of northern industrial oligarchs. If, in fact you cannot make the connection between obama, and the ONLY statue he allows in his office- that of Lincoln, then you have learned nothing about totalitarianism. We are again fighting for the right of States to belong in a coerced Union. The rise of the Marxist Communist influences on the northern oligarchy (Sacco Vanzetti, union riots, coal mining.. the list is rather large)increased AFTER the northern “victory” and institution of reconstruction disaster on the South. Don’t you just love living in a “free” society with a president who is an abominational product of this internationale. Keep it up, we will soon be under all of their boots. Tyranny is not unique to any one party. Long live our Constitution as conceived by our Founders and not a living document of facile statist coercion.
LOL
Missed the fudge packer line. Who wrote that?
Wait... I saw Mojitojoe on this thread.
I will look back.
Too funny.
How’s work? You are in Houston?
‘Or time to cull the herd.’
Well, that’s a good point. Those here preparing for CW2 would get just that, I think.
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Those who are wholly unprepared would get just that.
Well, well the academic returns. Perhaps you should read the Oath sworn by our military officers. Defense of the Constitution is not obscure as to meaning. A cinc who does not similarly support and defend our Constitution may be removed by the citizenry... period.
Bah.
Impeachment -> Treason proceedings -> Punishment.
Repeat as necessary for his fellow travellers.
And of course you can point to the clause that gives the military the authority to remove him? You being all learned in the document and all?
” someone who has the power to refuse your demand “
Hasn’t happened for a while but I LITERALLY LOL’d reading your post....Good job!
Of course it would be nice if Petraus or another 4 star would stand up and demand documentation before issuing another order, but ......they are all oath breakers except political prisoners like Larkin.
I believe your ideas and questions are valid. To those who complain about the Constitutionality of what you suggest I’d respond that if our Founders had restricted their actions to only legal ones we wouldn’t even be here right now.
I think you probably have a lot of support from like-minded citizens who just plain don’t know how to get things going. I would, however, heed the advice of many here - Revolution or military coup would tear this country into pieces that would take generations (if ever) to put back together. Keep that in mind - especially if you have children or grandchildren.
I already did that.
Who would think of questioning the intelligence of those believing that this little punk would do what the American people want? Why I could no more do that than question the reality of the Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus.
The comments by others here have clearly shown the naivety and foolishness of such ideas. They are beyond ridiculous and have no place among serious thinkers. You, however, are welcome to them.
“tear this country into pieces that would take generations (if ever) to put back together. Keep that in mind - especially if you have children or grandchildren.”
This is the very reason citizens are calling for BOs removal. Children and grandchildren are being made slaves of the state now. How long will the damage take to repair? Having a mad-dog in office can’t go on unchallenged if there is any hope of repairing the damage he has already done.
The people can demand it. How many of the peoples’ other demands have their representatives responded to, or even listened to?
Your namesake joined the Republican Party becoming one of Grant’s best friends. And, but for the little lunatic, Lincoln would have been the South’s greatest friend after the RAT Rebellion was put down.
What you consider “historical fact” is little more than the fevered fantasies of those desperate to protect the reputation of the treasonous rabble which tried to destroy the Union.
Naturally, one believing such nonsense has no clue as to what the Founders intended. Washington, Hamilton and Madison the greatest of that generation understood AND STATED that the Union was one which was permanent. There was no legal means of withdrawing from it other than a constitutional amendment. Certainly not by attacking its military installations clearly belonging to the nation.
But the RAT Rebellion was brought about ONLY because the slavers feared Lincoln (one of our two greatest presidents) would take away their “right” to enslave their fellow men. Fortunately for all mankind it was put down.
Secession was as wrong in 1861 as it was in 1804 when lunatics from New England floated the idea.
You need to study REAL Totalitarianism before misapplying the term in a demented manner. The rest of your babble is not worth replying to.
I agree with you. As a Dad of 4 I can remember asking myself - not long ago - the same questions that started this thread. Why can’t we throw this traitor out of our house? I spent a lot of time considering what it would mean if a revolution or a civil war began. Asking myself - what would I do? What would it mean to my children?
I came to the same conclusion you have - My children will be less free and will have more burden than I because of our president and his ilk. For my children to have less than me makes me feel as though I’ve failed them. I’d be willing to do anything to make that up to them.
I mentioned children and grandchildren in my response because they are first and foremost in my own mind. It should be part of the equation for anyone considering the questions that the originator of this thread has asked.
Lets see. I have been a 45% to 50% slave in this “free country”. My kids will be 60 to 70% slave. We are just talking percentages here. At what point (%) do we say we have had enough. The old saw that we are a nation of laws holds sway until exactly what %?
I agree that our civil liberties could be closed down by a process of erosion and the checks and balances that the founders systematically dismantled, a process IMO started by Bush.
But our democracy is far too resilient and our military and judiciary too independent for any kind of scenario like a violent, total closing-down of the system as happened in European fascism with Mussolini or Hitler. When it comes down to it, I don’t think any American would trust anyone with that kind of power. Imposing regulations on the financial industry or whatnot is hardly a full-blown dictatorship. And look at the trend line of support for the president — even among blacks Obama is on shaky ground. November is only four months away. :)
BTW, the Bonus Army got their bonus in 1936, despite an FDR veto.
Humor my political fantasy!
It’s so tragic ... what’s going on.
Fair points, but I won’t be there.
I agree with Patton about dying for one’s country.
I don’t think BO has the stones for an honest to God, realtime confrontation. His whole existence appears to have been managed and sheltered. When push comes to shove, I think he will have the staying power of Romulus Augustulus.
I agree with you. As a Dad of 4 I can remember asking myself - not long ago - the same questions that started this thread. Why can’t we throw this traitor out of our house? I spent a lot of time considering what it would mean if a revolution or a civil war began. Asking myself - what would I do? What would it mean to my children?
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There is a wonderful clarity of mind that comes when one really, truly, works this out.
“Whether the independence of the continent was declared too soon, or delayed too long, I will not now enter into as an argument; my own simple opinion is, that had it been eight months earlier, it would have been much better.”
Interesting way to look at it. I’m pretty sure, though, that we would all apply different factors to calculate and therefore have different measures of what amount of slavery we would endure. I think that- borrowing from someone smarter than myself - we are free when we decide to be.
If a law is unjust and unreasonable I can choose to ignore it or I can attack it - Both are ways of revolting against it IMHO. We have to be a nation of just laws. I would not have turned in a runaway slave. I would not turn in someone who exercised free speech just because a government official wanted me to. I will not purchase health insurance simply because my government mandates that I do.
Not really sure I’m answering your very valid question. Bottom line - the amount of freedom I’m willing to give up before reacting will be different than yours.
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That’s it? THAT is what we fear? That a bunch of animals will make a mess? If that’s the case, then we have lost already.
Well, silly or not, it sure has provided YOU with something to do, “arrogantsob” (telling name, btw)
Let me be the first (and probably the last) to thank you so very much for your positive input. It certainly tells THIS gramma what’s wrong with those who sit back, grouse, and have nothing to offer.
Excellent - who said it?
Sorry, but I don’t consider the destruction of the country and the shredding of the Constitution to be “light and transient”. Do you?
I agree with much of what you say. I can’t, in my whole life, remember waiting for a mid-term election with such anticipation. Unfortunately, we are still stuck with him for 2 years beyond that, along with all his unvetted czars and appointees using the agencies and executive orders to wreak havoc.
Thomas Paine - ‘The Crisis’ December 23, 1776.
If you have never read it before you are in for a great treat. I envy you the pleasure of reading it with a fresh eye.
This pamphlet may have saved the revolution from failure, as it rallied them morale of the people, and most importantly the army, at the lowest ebb of the war.
Make yourself really comfortable, get some peace and quiet, and enjoy:
http://www.ushistory.org/Paine/crisis/c-01.htm
I’m betting not. We spent a long time in the Army and my husband and I have discussed this unlikely possibility. I believe the military would not turn their guns on the American people. I just believe this.
You are most likely right. My worry is that government could take our freedoms away to the point that elections mean nothing.
If we can’t speak freely or only if our speech is monitored and Ok’d first, if government can regulate away the right to protect ourselves, if our government can mandate that we purchase a product that we may not even want (Obamacare) then what else can they take away? What else can they regulate and force upon us?
Maybe I’m just overreacting and paranoid. I’d hate to be wrong about that though.
No. I’m not concerned about the riots. I am concerned about the RACE WAR that will happen once this gets going.
Massive bloodletting on BOTH sides. They’re armed too, y’know.
Is that what we’re wanting? Not me.
NS is the biggest contrarian on FR and he cracks me up.
It doesn’t help that he generally correct and very frustrating to the rest of us.
But, I like the guy and appreciate his humor, when he shows it.
Oh, and yes, I would like for nothing more than to read about a bungled burglary in the morning and watch the color run from Barry’s face.
Thank you very much. You Freepers are as advertised: smart, straight-shooters who don’t mince words. I hesitate to post sometimes. Then, I say screw it - I’m here to learn. I appreciate your help and I’m taking your advice - will settle in and read tonight.
“scuse me while I jump this post. I simply must “say what must be said”
“What appears on the surface to be harsh even “rude” is often what must be said.”
That’s the problem, Toots, you ain’t SAYIN’ anything. Cheap shots don’t count as “constructive” criticism OR debate. And that is all you have offered so far. WHo do you think you are- Bill Mahar?
“Socrates found the best way to get at the truth is through argument which is a kind of battle. My comments are of that form.”
Don’t insult that fine philosopher. He was referring to actual debate. I guess you missed that part of the class.
You seem to have a grandiose impression of what you have to offer. I don’t know you and don’t recall running into you before, but what I have seen here reminds me of others, like you, that I have run into in a rather long life. Negative, foul-tempered EVERY day, having lots of criticism but never an idea. In between your posts, are you out on your porch yelling at the kids to get off your lawn?
You, sir, are a bore. I just had to say what “must be said”.
I’m betting not. We spent a long time in the Army and my husband and I have discussed this unlikely possibility. I believe the military would not turn their guns on the American people. I just believe this.
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The military would fragment. So would many law enforcement agencies. We would have a disaster resembling the Spanish Civil War, Beirut and Ulster on a continental scale.
That does not mean it may not be necessary, but it sure is way down on the list of options. Still, widespread slaughter and destruction is better than being subject to Odinga style misrule.
Yes, I do mean that widepread slaughter and destruction is better than being subject to Odinga style misrule.
Thank you very much. You Freepers are as advertised: smart, straight-shooters who don’t mince words.
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Some days are better than others. I have certainly posted some things I wish I could take back. I have also wished I could reach though the PC and backhand some people though.
Still, few here are shy. Welcome. I am new here myself.
Who said anything about “sit{ing} back, grous{ing}, and hav{ing} nothing to offer”? If you are giving advice to the grandchildren you love tell them to learn American history and study the constitution in order to learn how their government was created and how it works.
In contrast to my positive input, I am sure you would prefer a bunch of phony high fives to an idea which cannot possibly work. Your real friends tell you when you are wrong.
Your suggestion will do NOTHING. Urkle would pay no more attention to it than Hitler would have a rabbi.
That I pointed out in my first post. No one has refuted it.
Some ideas are worth no more than a laugh this was one of them.
Sorry that I don’t take every idea as valid.
My family fought the Brits in the French and Indian War, the Revolution and in 1812. Every able bodied male in our family since 1798 has served in the Marine Corps (with the exception of 1861-65) and helped found this country. I can assure you they did not care one bit for Hamilton (please don't lump him with Madison and you left out Jefferson- wonder why?-forgetting the origin of the republican party or should I say the Democratic-Republican party). You're right that it would have been better if Lincoln had lived-reconstruction being the invention of the true nature of the republicans of that day— the “democrats” of today. He of course did not care one whit about slavery, speaking of feverish fantasy and manufactured sainthood of this sad ill man who suspended habeas corpus. He did care about his railroad pals and Western expansionism. A distinct advantage true Southerners have is the memory of what it was like to be under the thumb of totalitarian rule. And we do still feel sorry for Johnson (Andrew that is, who tried to mediate the “cleansing” of the South). Ours is not some concocted academic elitist rewrite of history- it is fact not written by the “victors”- we lived it. We lost the dream of the United States in the so-called “civil” war, and began the march of the oppressive federal control of all aspects of our lives. You are quite wrong- I have studied totalitarianism extensively, from national socialism and marxism/communism to the current fascism/statism/corporatism masquerading as social justice progressivism of democrats and republicans in lockstep with a “new world order”, false currency and the loss of our state and national sovereignty. We know who we are and where we cam from, and not all scholars are at Princeton despite your dislike of DiLorenzo. That knowledge is upsetting to the elitists of both our imbecile political parties and television idiots. There is a reason Lincoln's statue is in obambi's’s office and it has nothing to do with a false conservatism or being from the whore state of IL and a total incompetent puppet. You want to call all this babble—It's OK- the South will survive all of this—we've had considerable experience with tyranny and the need for secession and freedom- which was right then, and apparent now. “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security”. Thus ever to tyrants, then and now.
My husband believes that soldiers will follow orders- not that they are mindless, but rather, well trained. He and I disagree on their reaction. I believe that the overwhelming majority of our soldiers are “us”, our sons and daughters and I just can’t see them following such orders. All three of our children have served as well and I can tell you, the discussions around Sunday dinners here have been interesting, to say the least!
It would be so nice to dust off those old words- “treason”, “liar”, “communist”- and apply them where appropriate, wouldn’t it?
Didn’t say military, said citizenry which may include the military You don’t need a “clause” to protect God given rights- you exercise them. You surely know this particular cinc thinks the “document” is a listing of negative rights - a living document to be gotten around, and thinks that our rights are given to us by the all knowing govt. and they need to be spelled out to us to direct us in all our lives. In short, a tyrant. Deo Vindice.
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