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SHOCKING: Kagan's Princeton Thesis Cited German Socialist Who Endorsed Nazis
Human Events ^ | JULY 1, 2010 | Human Events

Posted on 07/02/2010 12:34:17 AM PDT by RobinMasters

Elena Kagan's senior thesis at Princeton University, recounting the history of socialist politics in New York City, cited the theories of an influential German Marxist who notoriously switched allegiances to Nazism after Adolf Hitler attained power.

Werner Sombart was widely recognized as an academic proponent of Marxism and was once praised by Karl Marx's colleague Friedrich Engels as the only German professor who understood Marx's Das Kapital. During World War I, however, Sombart endorsed Germany's "heroic" war against the "capitalist spirit" represented by England. In 1934, Sombart published Deutscher Sozialismus, which advocated the "total ordering of life" as an expression of the German Volksgeist, or "national spirit."

In the introduction to her 1981 thesis, Kagan addresses a question famously asked by Sombart: Warum gibt es in den Vereinigten Staaten keinen Sozialismus? -- "Why is there no socialism in the United States?"

(Excerpt) Read more at humanevents.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1981; elenakagan; fascists; kagan; kagantruthfile; marxists; sombart; wernersombart
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1 posted on 07/02/2010 12:34:22 AM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

AND? Did she agree with him? The post shows NO indication of such. The citations are factual, no opinionated. So, why is this a problem?


2 posted on 07/02/2010 12:39:10 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: RobinMasters

Ewwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, being Dean of Harvard Law School simply means that she was perceived as being a good fundraiser. Other Associate Deans handle courses, academics, etc. It is NOT a position that qualifies her for anything like SCOTUS.


3 posted on 07/02/2010 12:40:49 AM PDT by whitedog57
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To: RobinMasters

The fact that socialists endorsed nazis would be shocking to most people. That fact has not been forthcoming from the media in 50 years


4 posted on 07/02/2010 12:44:33 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: RobinMasters

Nothing shocking here. There’s plenty of REAL ammunition to use without duds like this.


5 posted on 07/02/2010 12:47:39 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: RobinMasters
Werner Sombart was widely recognized as an academic proponent of Marxism and was once praised by Karl Marx's colleague Friedrich Engels as the only German professor who understood Marx's Das Kapital.

I got an even better one for you. Benito Mussolini was praised by Lenin as the brightest young socialist in Europe back when Il Duce was active in the Italian socialist movement.

6 posted on 07/02/2010 12:53:15 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: RobinMasters

Kagans thesis is now out there? Where is the Usurper’s?


7 posted on 07/02/2010 12:53:30 AM PDT by rambo316
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To: RobinMasters
cited the theories of an influential German Marxist who notoriously switched allegiances to Nazism after Adolf Hitler attained power.

And?

We site liberal and socialist ideas and policies daily here. Is that also considered SHOCKING?

8 posted on 07/02/2010 12:54:42 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Barack Obama is the Coleman Francis of presidents.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Agreed.


9 posted on 07/02/2010 12:54:46 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (The Democrats' mascot is a jackass. This is because they are asses who are in it for the jack.)
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To: RobinMasters

Ladies and gentlemen I’m sorry. Either were going to get a flaming or latent liberal out of this pick. It doesn’t matter if the people we have show a united front we lose. I want the left to upset the apple cart so bad that only extreme moonbats will support them. I want the sheeple to wake up and if several shovels upside the head is what it takes then I can live with that.


10 posted on 07/02/2010 12:57:13 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: An.American.Expatriate

Agreed, I am a Jewish studies major, and I am sure if I write a paper on the Holocaust or Antisemitism I will probably site Mein Kampf.


11 posted on 07/02/2010 12:58:49 AM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

“The fact that socialists endorsed nazis would be shocking to most people.”

Socialist/Progressives, Marxist, Nazis..
They are all kissing cousins, and Kagan fits right in with them.


12 posted on 07/02/2010 1:01:29 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
The fact that socialists endorsed nazis would be shocking to most people.

It isn't shocking at all. Nazis are socialists. Sovietism and Nazism were competing forms of socialism, hence the antipathy between the two groups. The war between Stalin and Hitler was thus a religious war between two Socialist sects.

13 posted on 07/02/2010 1:08:03 AM PDT by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: rambo316
Kagans thesis is now out there? Where is the Usurper’s?

Barack Obama didn't attend Princeton, to my knowledge. His wife's thesis is out there, demonstrating that quality of product is not required as long as the topic is sufficiently PC. (For example, IIRC, the second paragraph led with a sentence containing three major grammatical errors. And it wasn't just form...the content was weak, too.)

14 posted on 07/02/2010 1:18:57 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Redcloak

Sovietism and Nazism were competing forms of socialism, hence the antipathy between the two groups. The war between Stalin and Hitler was thus a religious war between two Socialist sects.

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Trotsky said as much. He pointed out that the competing ideologies drew recruits from the same people, but the Nazis attracted people who still had something to lose and wanted to preserve their status, while the communists drew people who had nothing.

OH NOES! I CITED TROTSKY!

Hey, did you know that power flows from the barrel of a gun?


15 posted on 07/02/2010 1:20:53 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Green shoots? Those aren't green shoots! Those are mold spots!)
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To: Gondring

She is not very smart. Content aside, her public addresses are painfully crude and awkward.


16 posted on 07/02/2010 1:22:37 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Green shoots? Those aren't green shoots! Those are mold spots!)
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To: Arthur McGowan

I agree with you.


17 posted on 07/02/2010 1:28:29 AM PDT by DemforBush (Serpentine, Shel! SERPENTINE!)
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To: RobinMasters
"Why is there no socialism in the United States?"

Um, what ? Was her follow-up paper entitled, 'Why is there no illegals in the United States ?'

18 posted on 07/02/2010 1:33:46 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: LukeL

SHOCKING!


19 posted on 07/02/2010 1:38:05 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: RobinMasters
For a few years now I have been acutely interested in the impact of THE FRANKFURT SCHOOL on the eschatology of our country. The Frankfurt school was founded in 1923 by a character remarkably analogous to George Soros with the explicit mandate to identify and remove the obstacles to the successful conquest of Germany by communism.

He endowed a school which became adjunct to Frankfurt University, in effect a George Soros' style think tank in the mold of the 1920s, and it was staffed, I believe, exclusively by Jewish intellectuals which is significant because when Hitler came to power in 1933 these Jewish communists fled Germany. Many of them landed in New York City and became influential at Columbia University, RCA, and other institutions in New York City. Other practitioners of the doctrines which became known collectively as "political correctness" found employment in Hollywood Harvard and other places where they were able to exert, I believe, profound influence.

These are the people who identified the nationstate, the church, the family, the idea of objective history, as obstacles to the ultimate victory of communism and therefore undertook to popularize competing values to undermine these obstacles and clear the way for communism. So we have internationalism, atheism, the assault against Christianity, feminism, the assault against the role of the father in the family etc. we have also seen many of our great universities liberal arts and social science curricula virtually destroyed by various excrescences of political correctness.

Does anyone on the board have any insight as to why Kagan's thesis on the advent of socialism in New York City ends with the arrival of the refugees from the diaspora of the Frankfurt school?


20 posted on 07/02/2010 1:56:31 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Gondring

My point was, not that the Usurper went to Princeton, but generally, where are all of his records?


21 posted on 07/02/2010 2:13:07 AM PDT by rambo316
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To: RobinMasters

Blitzkreig this nomination.
Filibuster for the sake of this nation.


22 posted on 07/02/2010 2:26:52 AM PDT by ChiMark
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To: rambo316

“Kagans thesis is now out there? Where is the Usurper’s?”

When the truth finally comes out about the Usurper, there may not be any thesis. I’m convinced that he was allowed to skate through his whole acedemic career with no requirement to do any actual work. We’ll see.

And by he way, the truth always comes out. But sometimes it takes a long time.


23 posted on 07/02/2010 2:34:28 AM PDT by pelican001
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

“The fact that socialists endorsed nazis would be shocking to most people.”

Soviet Communism has completely brainwashed a large part of this country.
There are those on the left that deny that “the left” is influenced by Marx/Engels etc.
Why go watch the new movie “Alice in Wonderland”?
We are living in it...........


24 posted on 07/02/2010 2:45:48 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (Where is the Black Regiment?)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
It's not just about this citation. Her thesis reveals a great fondness for leftist ideas. [http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OWE3Y2Y3YTBmNDg5MDFiZWE3NTU2NzI3NTc3NTg0M2Q=]

She called the story of the socialist movement’s demise “a sad but also a chastening one for those who, more than half a century after socialism’s decline, still wish to change America ... In unity lies their only hope.”

She hoped that the future would “be marked by American disillusionment with conservative programs and solutions, and that a new, revitalized, perhaps more leftist left will once again come to the fore.”

Kagan is, like 0bama, a member of the far left wing of the Demonrat Party, which means that she is basically a communist.

25 posted on 07/02/2010 4:03:36 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: RobinMasters

26 posted on 07/02/2010 4:13:09 AM PDT by Nateman
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To: pelican001

I totally agree with you. Have a great day and God Bless.


27 posted on 07/02/2010 4:26:17 AM PDT by rambo316
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To: pelican001
Numerous individuals I have known who have gone through the system tell me that graduates of Tokyo university usually didn't have to participate in learning exercises.

The idea was that all the attendees were smart guys and gals who were so intelligent there was little the university could provide them but discussion space off campus in various noodle shops, and that the professors could write booklets for them to read if they wished.

This is supposedly the primary reason Japanese industry "retrains" and "reindoctrinates" new engineers, accountants, management types in their fields once they are hired.

Eventually performance, not "smarts", counts.

I fear that Obama was pushed through top tier schools in this country on exactly the same basis ~ that he was considered a bright young fellow simply for having been selected to "be there", so formal education was not required of him!

28 posted on 07/02/2010 4:27:52 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: hellbender

orin hatch wants to stick his togue down her throat... I despise every leader of the repubic party... they are all corrupt and communists. ALL dims are evil and satanic communists.

LLS


29 posted on 07/02/2010 4:30:50 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( WOLVERINES!)
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To: nathanbedford

Wasn’t there also some connection between Zero’s mother and the Frankfurt school?


30 posted on 07/02/2010 4:33:14 AM PDT by Canedawg (...still not digging this tyranny thing.)
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To: rambo316
Kagans thesis is now out there? Where is the Usurper’s? The crayons he used are too smeared to be legible.
31 posted on 07/02/2010 4:37:01 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy inas whatever room he walks into.)
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To: hellbender

I refered only to what was cited in the op’s link.

That she is/was/and likely always will be a socialist/marxist sympathizer/agitator is beyond debate! But the simple fact that she cited a german socialist who endorsed nazi’s is NOT the ammunition to use to attack her!


32 posted on 07/02/2010 4:46:37 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: RobinMasters

Kagan is a doctrinaire leftist with no more respect for the Constitution than Mao, Hitler, Castro, or Stalin would have had. She is a serial perjurer, an enabler of despotism, a true piece of human excrement.


33 posted on 07/02/2010 4:52:57 AM PDT by mike-zed
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To: RobinMasters
I've cited everyone from Marx and Engels to Ayn Rand and Milton Friedman in college papers. If you are writing a paper either positive, negative or neutral about a topic you often have to use those actual involved as sources, and those involved were often proponents of the actions you are writing about. Could you write a dozen page paper on politics in American health care without quoting (shudder) Hillary?
34 posted on 07/02/2010 5:12:42 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Gun control was originally to protect Klansmen from their victims. The basic reason hasn't changed.)
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To: RobinMasters
It doesn't matter what this lesbo has done or said. The republicans do not have the intellectual or political will to stop her confirmation. The republican party is mostly a group of men with no balls and no grit.

When conservative justices such as Alito and others were nominated for the bench, the liberals viciously attacked them and made it personal. Yet when liberals are nominated, the republicans play this polite, well mannered, even aristocratic game. Makes me sick. I have lost respect for these wimps.

35 posted on 07/02/2010 5:26:09 AM PDT by Arcy
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
The fact that socialists endorsed nazis would be shocking to most people.

The fact that NAZI was an abbreviation for National SOCIALIST party would amaze even more. They are different names for the same kind of tyranny.

36 posted on 07/02/2010 6:01:00 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Don Corleone

“The fact that NAZI was an abbreviation for National SOCIALIST party would amaze even more. They are different names for the same kind of tyranny.”

Excellent point. We would be better served to refer to them as National Socialists (rather than the shorthand NAZI) so that even the multitudes of heads full of mush out there can grasp that when you go socialist and totalitarian, there’s no end to the wars that the government can wage on its own people.


37 posted on 07/02/2010 6:09:03 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Don Corleone
"The Road to Serfdom" easily conveys liberals downtown to the hell of National Socialism. Capitalist and freedom-loving Americans are shocked and astounded at who Kagan is.

Problem: The majority in Congress and their dear voters rejoice in her! This is hope! This is change! Liberty, Equality and Fraternity!!

38 posted on 07/02/2010 6:16:35 AM PDT by Broker (Guillotine is greased.)
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To: RobinMasters

She has to be one of the ugliest human beings ever to walk the face of the Earth. I mean, I normally don’t comment on people’s looks but this woman looks like Gollum from Lord of the Rings.

Let’s face it: the only reason this “woman” was chosen is because she figures to play prominently in Obama’s plans to stack the court in favor of Commie health care.


39 posted on 07/02/2010 6:28:14 AM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Redcloak

thank you. Very well put.
Brings to mind the old saying, “Two of a trade never agree.”
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Nazis are socialists. Sovietism and Nazism were competing forms of socialism, hence the antipathy between the two groups. The war between Stalin and Hitler was thus a religious war between two Socialist sects.


40 posted on 07/02/2010 1:18:20 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: pelican001

I think you may be right.


41 posted on 07/02/2010 1:23:55 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Arcy

It is true that many of them lack intellectual rigor.


42 posted on 07/02/2010 1:26:22 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Yardstick
". Benito Mussolini was praised by Lenin "

COuld you please give a reference?

43 posted on 07/02/2010 3:14:33 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: nathanbedford
" why Kagan's thesis on the advent of socialism in New York City ends with the arrival of the refugees from the diaspora of the Frankfurt school?"

This could've been dictated by the extant literature. If the period after 1933 had been already addressed, it would've been rather difficult for a thesis to be sufficiently novel.

44 posted on 07/02/2010 3:21:00 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
Pretty sure it's in Jonah Goldberg's book Liberal Fascism.

Either that or it's somewhere in the footnotes of a great piece called The Mystery of Fascism by David Ramsay Steele (which Goldberg cites in his book).

45 posted on 07/02/2010 3:22:59 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

Thank you very much.


46 posted on 07/02/2010 3:24:49 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark

Well, hang on a second. I just looked through the section of of LF where I thought it was and didn’t see it, and I scanned the footnotes of the Steele piece and didn’t see it. I know I read it somewhere credible, but for the moment I can’t remember where that was. It’s possible I dreamed it or am confusing Mussolini with someone else (maybe it was Gramsci), but I don’t think so (80% sure).


47 posted on 07/02/2010 3:41:30 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: TopQuark

Here’s piece in the Weekly Standard that references Lenin’s comments on Mussolini but doesn’t actually quote him:

http://www.theweeklystandard.com/Content/Protected/Articles/000/000/009/736jyhpe.asp

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Word got around about the young firebrand. Writing from Vienna in the newly founded Pravda, Lenin praised Mussolini for his uncompromising revolutionary stand. A few months later, Mussolini was appointed editor of the national Socialist party daily, Avanti!, and he proved he had the touch: Circulation rose from 34,000 to 60,000 during his first eighteen months. With a style that he called “electric” and “explosive,” he made a reputation as the leading popular journalist in Italy. His star was ascendant, and it was red.

“””””””””

The exact quote could probably be pulled up with some strategic googling.


48 posted on 07/02/2010 3:54:45 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: RobinMasters

There is no reason to tell anyone about what a scum she is. She will be a so called justice and there will be republicans that vote for her.

Our side, cowards all of them. Words mean nothing, actions do.


49 posted on 07/02/2010 3:59:38 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Yardstick
Yes, I was surprised. Having read quite a bit of Lenin, I could not recall any references to Mussolini (or Gramsci).
50 posted on 07/02/2010 7:18:40 PM PDT by TopQuark
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