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The banality of Methodist evil
Jerusalem Post ^ | 7/4/2010 | Robin Shepherd

Posted on 07/04/2010 6:19:10 PM PDT by HearMe

The banality of Methodist evil

By ROBIN SHEPHERD

04/07/2010

Boycott against goods emanating from settlements shows where the rancid, global campaign against the Jewish state is heading.

The decision last week by the Methodist Church of Britain to launch a boycott against goods emanating from settlements in the West Bank and east Jerusalem will send a shiver down the spine of anyone with a feel for where the rancid, global campaign against the Jewish state is currently heading.

The boycott will involve transactions of the church itself, and extends to encouraging all affiliated Methodists to follow suit. The Methodists boycott no other country.

The fact that an institution professing allegiance to values of love, truth and justice should have succumbed to an agenda of hatred, hypocrisy and barbarism is sadly emblematic of the degraded spirit of our times, and of the moral inversions which blow through them.

But who, these days, can really be surprised about such happenings in modern Europe? It is only the banality, to appropriate Hannah Arendt, of this particular evil that still has the power to shock us. For, in watching the discussions at the Methodist Conference which approved the boycott, there was little in the way of the visceral hatred of Israel which we have become so accustomed to seeing in academic settings or in the trade unions. Here was a group of almost stereotypically ordinary, middle-class, English Christians calmly reciting every hackneyed anti-Israeli calumny in the book.

“What is happening in Palestine today is what was happening in South Africa in the recent past,” one delegate said. Another spoke of the “66 percent of 9- to 12-month-old babies [that] are anemic in Gaza.”

Yet another described a picture, which she held up in front of her, of a small boy “with large eyes” and “deep pain” in those eyes. “This little boy lives in Gaza,” she said ominously, adding (without irony) that the conference should “speak and act for those whose voices are not heard.”

Later, the point was repeated with one speaker lamenting the position of the Palestinians who have “no one to tell of what they’re going through.”

There was a lecture on the Old Testament, the Jews as “the chosen people,” the children of Abraham, and the revelations of Jesus: “Jesus... never speaks of the land or owning it; he speaks of the kingdom and joining it,” said the delegate joyfully. “...He teaches us God is not a racist God [her emphasis] who has favorites. God loves all his children [her emphasis] and blesses them.”

A student of archeology from the University of Manchester protested against accusations of one-sidedness in a report on the conflict which underpinned the boycott resolution: “No conflict is ever one-sided, “ he said before concluding, literally seconds later, that “perhaps it is not the report that is one-sided, but simply the conflict.”

IF TOTAL illogicality, intimations about the dangers of Jews worshiping a racist God, preposterous assertions about the Palestinian cause not getting an airing in the outside world and depraved and asinine comparisons with apartheid South Africa were the stock in trade of the ordinary delegates, the church’s sophisticates were not to be outdone.

Here is the Rev. Graham Carter, the chairman of the working group that produced the initial report. He is speaking at the end of the first debate, just after having made his (pro forma?) reference to upholding the right of Israel to exist: “We didn’t go through the list of criticizing other governments, because there was no place to stop,” he said. “We could have criticized the United States for its past unquestioning support of the government of Israel. We could have questioned our own government for the equivocality of its approach. Where would we stop? So we concentrated simply on the situation in Palestine itself.”

In referring to criticism of governments around the world other than Israel, one might have expected that this was his cue to explain why Israel had been singled out. Not a bit of it. It never appeared to occur to him that the question of gross hypocrisy might be an issue. His only thoughts about other governments concerned the sense in which they might have been criticized for complicity in Israeli behavior! But it is when he comes to the question of anti- Semitism that he meets his undoing. “I want to state quite clearly and categorically that there is no hint of anti-Semitism in what we have said or in what we intend,” he stated boldly. “If other people want to do things like that, that is their problem. It is not our problem as a Methodist church. We need to be honest about where stand and what we feel. And if we are concerned about anti-Semitism, why don’t we talk about the anti-Islam approach?” I leave it to others to judge whether there is a “hint of anti-Semitism” in what they have said or intended.

But, in so far as his comments make any sense at all, one way of summarizing the rest could be as follows: “If this campaign against Israel results in more anti-Semitism, we in the Methodist Church wash our hands of it. We’ll act, and the Jews can take the consequences.

And what’s the big deal about anti-Semitism anyway? Can’t we talk about Islamophobia.”

I DID not have the pleasure of talking to the Rev.

Carter, who would certainly reject any suggestion of wrongdoing, let alone that he had taken his church down the road to bigotry. But I did speak to the Methodist Church’s head of media relations, Anna Drew, whose well prepared brief offered a lesson in where things have gone so badly wrong.

“Do you have any boycotts of other countries in the world, Saudi Arabia for example, where Christianity is banned?” I asked.

“Almost certainly not,” she said.

“So why have you singled out the Jewish state?” I asked.

“We have not singled out the Jewish state,” she replied, saying that the boycott was not against Israel, merely against the occupied territories.

And so the conversation went on, going round and round in circles as Drew summoned up every ounce of conceivable pedantry to argue that singling out the policy of a particular country was substantially different from singling out the country itself, even though such a boycott applied to no other country or its policies.

“Don’t you realize that you’re joining a massive global campaign against Israel?” I asked.

“There isn’t a campaign against Israel,” she replied firmly. “It’s not as simple as that.”

“You don’t accept that you’ve just jumped on a fashionable bandwagon?” I asked in amazement.

“We are the first church... to do this... so we are not being fashionable,” she replied.

At which point, what can you really say? Overall, a church that behaves in the manner of the Methodists has buried its credibility under a gigantic dunghill of intransigence, pedantry, lies and distortions.

But let us not allow this matter to rest with a mere recognition of whom and what they have chosen to become.

If the Methodist Church is to launch a boycott of Israel, let Israel respond in kind: Ban their officials from entering; deport their missionaries; block their funds; close down their offices; and tax their churches.

If it’s war, it’s war. The aggressor must pay a price.

The writer is director of international affairs at the Henry Jackson Society in London. He is the author of A State Beyond the Pale: Europe’s Problem with Israel


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; israel; lds; methodist; mormon
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1 posted on 07/04/2010 6:19:16 PM PDT by HearMe
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To: HearMe

We Methodists can’t let the Catholics and Mormons hog all the fun.


2 posted on 07/04/2010 6:22:28 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: HearMe

ping


3 posted on 07/04/2010 6:24:34 PM PDT by devane617 (VOTE THEM OUT! ALL OF THEM!)
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To: UCANSEE2

LOL

I was just shocked to find that I’m evil.


4 posted on 07/04/2010 6:25:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek
Wow. Me, too. I'd better go look in the bathroom mirror to see if I have any horns sprouting from my head yet........oh, wait. LOL

"But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: for men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away, for his name is Obama."

5 posted on 07/04/2010 6:33:55 PM PDT by Viking2002
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To: HearMe

socialists have infiltrated many churches.


6 posted on 07/04/2010 6:38:44 PM PDT by ken21 (who runs the gop?)
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To: ken21

Communist goal number 27 as read into the congressional record on january 10 1963 by A. S. Herlong, JR. of Florida.

[[27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”]]

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm


7 posted on 07/04/2010 6:46:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: HearMe

I here by boycott all things Methodists!


8 posted on 07/04/2010 6:53:11 PM PDT by Recon Dad ( Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...
Thanks HearMe.
"Do you have any boycotts of other countries in the world, Saudi Arabia for example, where Christianity is banned?" I asked.

"Almost certainly not," she said.

"So why have you singled out the Jewish state?" I asked.

"We have not singled out the Jewish state," she replied, saying that the boycott was not against Israel, merely against the occupied territories.

And so the conversation went on, going round and round in circles as Drew summoned up every ounce of conceivable pedantry to argue that singling out the policy of a particular country was substantially different from singling out the country itself, even though such a boycott applied to no other country or its policies.

"Don't you realize that you're joining a massive global campaign against Israel?" I asked.

"There isn't a campaign against Israel," she replied firmly. "It's not as simple as that."

9 posted on 07/04/2010 6:57:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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10 posted on 07/04/2010 7:03:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: HearMe

Do you really think John Wesley and George Whitefield would be boycotting Israel?


11 posted on 07/04/2010 7:03:46 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: Recon Dad

The Methodists long ago lost all adherence to the Revelation of the New Testement. They are a banal clique of pompous bishops, prissy bureaucrats and simpering pastors too vain and haughty to witness to their unerring sinfulness and their moral depravity.
I once, with generations of my family, found a spiritual home in Methodism. That has faded and been replaced by an onerous judgemental authority filled with arrogance and seething with depravity. There may remain a few threads of spiritually sound Methodists. They are out of step with their denomination.
The Methodist church has become the bona fide spawn of satan, deserving of contempt by Bible believing Christians everywhere.


12 posted on 07/04/2010 7:06:09 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (He is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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To: HearMe

The United Methodist Church went leftist over 40 years ago, this doesn’t surprise me. I left when the preacher asked for donations to build a field hospital for the VC, and to support handgun control Inc. I just got up and walked out, never looked back.


13 posted on 07/04/2010 7:07:41 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: UCANSEE2

Get out while you can.

I did.

The United Methodist Church has become a left wing front group - just like the Presbyterians and Anglicans.

I wish there was a better response, but these mainstream Christian Churches have been infiltrated and destroyed by the leftists and anti-western Culture Luddites like the Colleges and many other social institutions.

We need to reconfigure society again from the ground up with ZERO tolerance for leftists.


14 posted on 07/04/2010 7:08:53 PM PDT by ZULU
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To: circlecity

No, John Wesley & George Whitefield would be asking the Methodists of Britain for volunteers & funds to send missionaries to evangelize the Jews and Muslims of Israel, the West Bank and Gaza.


15 posted on 07/04/2010 7:18:08 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "Hapana Obama")
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To: circlecity
Do you really think John Wesley and George Whitefield would be boycotting Israel?

That's an unfair rhetorical question, Israel did not exist back then.

16 posted on 07/04/2010 7:22:15 PM PDT by ReformedBeckite
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"15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
" []Matthew 7:15-21














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17 posted on 07/04/2010 7:30:48 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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You might consider converting to Holocaustianity.


19 posted on 07/04/2010 7:58:24 PM PDT by ruination
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I am married to Jim and live in Rochester, Kent. I'm a bit of a theologian and a complete film fanatic. I work for the British Methodist Church as Lead Media Officer, but please note that this is a personal blog and anything said here represents my opinion and not necessarily that of the Church. I am addicted to Holby City and Prison Break.

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20 posted on 07/04/2010 8:04:21 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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