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Romney Campaign to Surrender Evangelicals in 2012
Religion Dispatches ^ | 7/07/10 | Joanna Brooks

Posted on 07/07/2010 8:21:33 PM PDT by colorcountry

Word from inside the Mitt Romney 2012 presidential campaign team is that Romney will abandon his 2008 strategy of seeking to win over social conservatives—evangelical or born-again Christians—for whom his Mormonism is a major deterrent.

In 2008, the Romney campaign had hoped the candidate’s clean-cut, family-man profile would be enough to win over socially conservative Christians, many of whom harbor deep misgivings about Mormonism fed in large part by a thirty-year campaign of “spiritual warfare” against Mormonism begun in the 1980s at Fuller Theological Seminary under the auspices of its anti-“cult” ministries.

Romney’s 2008 candidacy was consistently shadowed not only by evangelical Christian anti-Mormon animus but also by general public misunderstanding of Mormonism and popular ridicule of Mormon beliefs and practices. Romney opponents and media personalities mocked everything from arcane nineteenth-century teachings by LDS Church leaders to the daily wearing by observant LDS Church members of devotional garments under one’s street clothes, a deeply personal form of religious practice dear to Mormons as an expression of personal commitment to the faith.

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1 posted on 07/07/2010 8:21:38 PM PDT by colorcountry
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To: colorcountry

From the article:

This time around, the Romney campaign’s decision to quietly set aside the hopes of winning the support of evangelical Christians is likely to have significant strategy impacts not only in Iowa but also in the South. For now, the Romney campaign seems focused on making endorsements—now numbering 100 or more—in key 2010 races, including successful GOP gubernatorial candidate Nikki Haley in South Carolina.

This strategy shift reflects a refinement of the Romney 2008 campaign’s tactic of downplaying the candidate’s faith entirely as well as a renewed focus (taking a page from his friend California gubernatorial candidate Meg Whitman’s playbook) on emphasizing Romney’s can-do know-how as a successful businessman. Romney’s December 2007 George Bush Presidential Library address—billed by his campaign as a major statement on faith and public life—tellingly skirted the hot topic of his Mormonism almost completely. His recent book No Apology: The Case for American Greatness (2010) offers only a few scant mentions of the candidate’s deep Mormon roots and a simple two-page statement on the importance of “Belief and Purpose” in public life.


2 posted on 07/07/2010 8:23:15 PM PDT by colorcountry ("Showing mercy to the wolves is showing cruelty to the sheep." - Unknown)
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To: colorcountry

Mitt Romney.. just go away, never to be heard from again.


3 posted on 07/07/2010 8:27:05 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: colorcountry

If Romney is selected, it is a sure win for Obama.

1. Romney belongs to a false religion
2. 15-24% of voters consistently say they will not vote for someone in that religion
3. It is probably a greater percentage of Republican voters
4. Romney laid the groundwork to bankrupt MA with RomneyCare (see today’s WSJ article)
5. Romney is a RINO and will lose Conservatives, with the exception of Utah, which makes you wonder if they are conservatives...
6. Romney was dishonest when allowing his staff to pose as policeman with fake badges

It would be a stupid move to nominate him.


4 posted on 07/07/2010 8:27:21 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I wonder why he thinks he can win without the Christian conservatives.

They’re a big chunk of the voter base among Repubicans.


5 posted on 07/07/2010 8:29:06 PM PDT by colorcountry ("Showing mercy to the wolves is showing cruelty to the sheep." - Unknown)
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To: colorcountry
Before folks start convulsing, one word will keep Mittens out of the White House forever: “Romneycare”.

He's a non-starter.

6 posted on 07/07/2010 8:30:03 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Soetoro Snoozes, Oil Oozes)
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To: colorcountry

Why are we still talking about this jerk?


7 posted on 07/07/2010 8:30:29 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: colorcountry

That’s too large a block to surrender. He only stands a chance if there’s no candidate that appeals to the socons or that vote is split in several directions.

If it’s between Mitt and Sarah, Mitt gets smoked.


8 posted on 07/07/2010 8:31:21 PM PDT by bereanway (Sarah get your gun)
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To: colorcountry

This article is hogwash.


9 posted on 07/07/2010 8:31:27 PM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: colorcountry
Word from inside the Mitt Romney 2012 presidential campaign team is that Romney will abandon his 2008 strategy of seeking to win over social conservatives—evangelical or born-again Christians—for whom his Mormonism is a major deterrent. _____________________________________________________

Nana to the editing rescue... Word from inside the Mitt Romney 2012 presidential campaign team is that Romney will abandon his 2008 strategy of seeking to win over social conservatives—evangelical or born-again Christians—for whom his liberalism is a major deterrent.

10 posted on 07/07/2010 8:31:27 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: colorcountry

He badly wants to be President. He’ll do whatever it takes to buy votes and manipulate the truth (as he did repeatedly in the last go round).

I’ve written that if Mitt could win by running as a transgendered
Hispanic woman/man, he’d be doing it right now...


11 posted on 07/07/2010 8:31:38 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: colorcountry

holey underwear

12 posted on 07/07/2010 8:31:41 PM PDT by gitmo ( The democRats drew first blood. It's our turn now.)
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To: colorcountry

“Hey, and if that doesn’t work, let me tell you another one . . .”


13 posted on 07/07/2010 8:32:15 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (How many Michael Steele gaffes does it take to make a pattern?)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

It would be a stupid move to nominate him.

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Too bad Steele won’t be able to fundraise for him . . .

I suppose Bob Dole could sing.


14 posted on 07/07/2010 8:34:16 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (How many Michael Steele gaffes does it take to make a pattern?)
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To: colorcountry

Stupid strategy.

If the story is true, Romney doesn’t seem to have too much sense.

How can he hope to win without the support of so many millions of Americans?


15 posted on 07/07/2010 8:34:36 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: colorcountry

Stupid strategy.

If the story is true, Romney doesn’t seem to have too much sense.

How can he hope to win without the support of so many millions of Americans?


16 posted on 07/07/2010 8:34:49 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: GOPsterinMA

Before folks start convulsing, one word will keep Mittens out of the White House forever: “Romneycare”.

He’s a non-starter.

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A bit like the photo of Gingrich and Pelosi sitting on the couch together.

Fatal wounds.


17 posted on 07/07/2010 8:36:05 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (How many Michael Steele gaffes does it take to make a pattern?)
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To: colorcountry

"Mitt Romney...alienating America one group at a time." - AlaskaErik


Mr. Romney "Disses" Amateur Radio In Televised Town Meeting

Gov. Sarah Palin, Governor of the state of Alaska, proclaimed the week of July 28 through August 3, 2008 as: Amateur Radio Week

18 posted on 07/07/2010 8:38:59 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: colorcountry
I have no use for him, whatsoever, or Huckleberry either...but maybe he figures, "Hey, a muslim won, why not a morman?".

I must have been the millineum bug...it thrust us all in an alternate universe...up is down, dry is wet.../sarc
19 posted on 07/07/2010 8:41:13 PM PDT by FrankR ( If we don't stand up to tyranny, the tyrants win, and we're enslaved.)
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To: colorcountry

The premise of this article is just plain off the mark and stupid.

If this is Romney’s Craptastic PR company leading him to believe his religion had anything substantive to do with his failure to ascend to the presidency, then he isn’t as smart as I thought.

He was a lackluster go along to get along, spineless, air sucking lizard, who agreed with everyone in the debates.

He just didn’t have a soul or spirit and frankly, neither did anyone of the other candidates. No ideas, No strategies to lead, no message invoking the spirit of America.

Instead he ceded ground and let an apologist and globull bootlicker sell his version of being an international dressmaker who will bow and curtsy to everyone who has been so called “unfairly” treated and who followed through on his promise to stand with the moslem and islam.

Romney had only significant speech, which was full of fire and very inspiring.

Unfortunately, you shouldn’t let your concession speech be your salutation and salvo, at the same time.

His religion has absolutely nothing to do with voters decisions.

How would he square a supposed election of a Hussein, who we all suspect is a moslem or at the least a sympathizer?

And we wouldn’t elect a Mormon? Someone who is at least an American?

Lame excuse.


20 posted on 07/07/2010 8:45:40 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: colorcountry
Romney’s emerging 2012 strategy makes a certain kind of sense to any Mormon who has encountered overt anti-Mormon sentiment, evangelical or otherwise. For how, exactly, is one supposed to engage fruitfully with those who would mock her family’s underwear and insist she belongs to a cult?

Q: I read recently that the Catholic Church had rejected Mormon baptism, since their view of Christ and the Trinity is so unusual. But I have to ask: Are Mormons considered separated brothers and sisters? While their views are strange to say the least, they are still separated, and we should reach out to them. If we view them as something other than separated, doesn't that exclude ecumenism? I know that many view them as a cult, but aren't cult members separated as well?

A: The reason Mormons are not considered separated brethren is not because they aren't "separated" from the Church-they are-but they aren't "brethren" in the sense required.

The phrase separated brethren refers to those who, though separated from full communion with the Catholic Church, have been justified through baptism and are thus brethren in Christ. The Decree on Ecumenism (Unitatis Redintegratio) of Vatican II teaches that "all who have been justified by faith in baptism are members of Christ's body, and have a right to be called Christian, and so are correctly accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church."

Because Mormonism is polytheistic and rejects the Trinity, Mormon baptism is not valid, and Mormons are not considered separated brethren. For the same reason, outreach to them, while certainly a good thing, is not ecumenism, though it can include dialogue and social cooperation as well as efforts to evangelize them.

21 posted on 07/07/2010 8:50:23 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: Psalm 144

Great comparison - nice!


22 posted on 07/07/2010 8:51:36 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Soetoro Snoozes, Oil Oozes)
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To: colorcountry

Perhaps this is his attempt to sneak away from the pretense of being conservative. If he claims that the Christians are persecuting him, he might become the ‘hold your nose’ candidate of the Democrats who want to punish their leaders for skittle rationing but wouldn’t want to vote for a true conservative. If Romney claims he’s being abused by evangelical Christians, the left may just try to embrace him to ‘teach’ their ‘leaders’ a lesson.


23 posted on 07/07/2010 9:00:13 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: colorcountry
shadowed not only by evangelical Christian anti-Mormon animus but also by general public misunderstanding of Mormonism and popular ridicule of Mormon beliefs and practices

The internet age has shed light on mormonism. The "general public" has a much better understanding of the cult of mormonism because of it.

I have two equally valid reasons to not vote for Romney, his liberalism and his cultism.

24 posted on 07/07/2010 9:00:18 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (We couldn't keep the commandments when there was only ONE!)
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To: colorcountry

This may be true but the article says he lost to Huckabee by 30 pts in IA? He lost 34-25, or 9 pts.


25 posted on 07/07/2010 9:01:30 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: colorcountry

And “Religion Dispatches” blog is an objective informed source on the inner workings and strategies of the Romney campaign ?

I’m skeptical about the article’s bona fides, but it’s not unreasonable to write off the general bigot vote. Romney won’t get them regardless of the good or bad of his policies. That’s clear enough by now.

That’s not necessarily a net loss. It’s like Stormfront endorsing a candidate, the stink of those sorts drives off the larger saner side of the electorate.


26 posted on 07/07/2010 9:20:00 PM PDT by tlb
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To: tlb
The Christian vote is more important to Republicans than you seem to think.

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27 posted on 07/07/2010 9:25:10 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: colorcountry
Romney didn't lose the nomination because he is a Mormon. Romney didn't lose the nomination because conservative christians won't vote for a Mormon. Romney lost the nomination because his strategy for gaining the conservative christian vote was to persuade folks that his religion is Christian. Bad move.

Conservative christians would vote for a Mormon who is honest about the differences between LDS and historical trinitarian Christianity...as long as he is a conservative who will lower taxes, promote business, try to shrink government, and do a good job as commander in chief. Too bad Romney is none of the above.

28 posted on 07/07/2010 9:35:13 PM PDT by Guyin4Os (A messianic ger-tsedek)
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To: colorcountry
what campaign
29 posted on 07/07/2010 10:09:03 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Guyin4Os

I’d vote for morman John Huntsman for president but not his pro-abortion, global warming/climate change believing son.


30 posted on 07/07/2010 10:13:55 PM PDT by JApost
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To: colorcountry
I expect to see RINO Romney attempt to shed his pretend conservative skin to attack and try to belittle Christians worse than McCain does. Just watch, Mr. Pro-Gay will probably come out. He'll be telling someone he was the best thing for gays that has ever happened. He may not fully claim his Father of Gay Marriage mantle but I would not be surprised if the Socialist Commie did.

He'll explain to everyone that Obamacare can be even better when he gets hold of it and the only problem with Romneycare in Mass is that the dems messed it up.


Romney the RINO will also say:

1. Abortion is a state's rights issue not a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness issue.

2. There has to be some limits on guns and gun ownership. Constitution not withstanding, it's only common sense.

3. As a nation we've invested too much in the military, we need to cut back on the military and devote our time, money and resources to this country.

4. We need to forget about the old concept of borders and unite the western hemisphere like the Europe has the European Union only better. Everyone gets into the US free and we all work together blah, blah, blah.


Re-write of a line in the article to make it more factual:

"Word from inside the Mitt Romney 2012 presidential campaign team is that Romney will abandon his 2008 strategy of seeking to win over fool social conservatives—evangelical or born-again Christians—for whom his Mormonism Socialist RINOism is a major deterrent."

31 posted on 07/07/2010 10:41:36 PM PDT by Waryone
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To: Tennessee Nana

Hey Nana,

Sorry, I posted my article correction before I read yours. I guess great minds think alike.


32 posted on 07/07/2010 10:47:36 PM PDT by Waryone
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To: colorcountry

33 posted on 07/07/2010 11:39:09 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (http://www.conservatives4palin.com/)
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To: dalebert
Romney's "campaign" has been supporting Obama
and attacking and secretly destroying other GOP candidates.

Just like before.

If Romney is anywhere near the 2012 contest, Obama wins.
RomneyCARE neutralizes ObamaCARE.
Romney support of illegals neutralizes Obama's.
Romney's parents of Mexican birth neutralize the Obama absent birth certificate issue.
Romney's destruction of Massachusetts neutralizes Obama's destruction of America.
Romney's destruction of the Mass. Constitution to impose gay marriage neutralizes Obama's destruction of the US Constitution.

And by making the carpetbagging backstabber the candidate,
given that Team Romney attacked Gov Palin during Election 2008 to throw the election to Obama,
most Americans would agree that the GOP would not deserve to win, anyway.

34 posted on 07/08/2010 3:23:17 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: colorcountry

What a nut....it’s about his liberal views: pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-government health care.

It’s not about his mormonism at all for me...and for most. His mormonism is no selling point for many, but his chameleon politics will cause him to lose.


35 posted on 07/08/2010 3:29:03 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: colorcountry
To any so-called conservatives out there who would not vote for a socially and fiscally conservative Mormon (which Romney is not) because !!!ZOMG THEY WEAR SECRET UNDERWEAR!!!...

Don't let the door hit ya on the way out, OK??

36 posted on 07/08/2010 7:58:03 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I've been ionized, but I'm okay now.)
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To: Notary Sojac
To any so-called conservatives out there who would not vote for a socially and fiscally conservative Mormon

I vote for them all the time. I don't really have a choice in Utah politics every social conservative is Mormon, but many so-called conservative Mormon's are NOT fiscally conservative (like Senators Hatch and Bennett).

I try to limit my vote to those who are BOTH like Congressman Jason Chaffetz.

37 posted on 07/08/2010 8:08:25 AM PDT by colorcountry ("Showing mercy to the wolves is showing cruelty to the sheep." - Unknown)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Why are we still talking about this jerk?

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Because it is another way to continue her rage on Mormon she hates Mormons!


38 posted on 07/08/2010 9:04:46 PM PDT by restornu
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To: ansel12; bone52; JDW11235; Normandy; 1010RD; Paragon Defender; Saundra Duffy; killermedic; ...

Because Mormonism is polytheistic and rejects the Trinity,

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As I ponder this more trinity means 3 123 which right there is polytheistic because they are three Gods which many try to stuff into one substance, each has a seperate roll so in all reality it is 3 Gods cramed into one substance.


39 posted on 07/08/2010 9:13:10 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu
"Because Mormonism is polytheistic and rejects the Trinity, Mormon baptism is not valid, and Mormons are not considered separated brethren. For the same reason, outreach to them, while certainly a good thing, is not ecumenism, though it can include dialogue and social cooperation as well as efforts to evangelize them."

That is what the Catholic Church teaches about Mormonism.

40 posted on 07/08/2010 9:46:48 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12

I might be younger than you there was a time before the 70’s when if you were baptized in another church you had to be baptized again if you changed.

and just like that along the way thie requirment has been null and void.

In the 50’s & 60’s oh the commotion in the family house holds especially those who made a big deal about it.

Protestants going to a Catholic wedding and VS or wondering about if they were going to serve alcohol or not at the events and of course trying to wrap their mind around each others customs.

Today one should try to figure out if these changes were church policy or the Lord’s doctrine.

I myself see nothing wrong with the Trinity for many still feel they are worshiping the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

It is when the Council of Nicene 325 AD enter into this is arguement and said this is the interpretation.

Now that is 325 years after the death of Christ these man took it upon themselves to settle the dispute.

No matter how one slices it, it is still 3 personages with 3 different missions.

Anyway thank you for your civil discourse.


41 posted on 07/09/2010 7:54:18 AM PDT by restornu
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To: colorcountry

Who is Mitt Romney again?


42 posted on 07/09/2010 7:55:25 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("And for that matter what do we REALLY know about HereInTheHeartland?")
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To: restornu
According to the Roman Catholic Church, Mormonism is not Christian.

The Eastern Orthodox Church agrees about what they describe as a "cult".

"A: The reason Mormons are not considered separated brethren is not because they aren't "separated" from the Church-they are-but they aren't "brethren" in the sense required.

The phrase separated brethren refers to those who, though separated from full communion with the Catholic Church, have been justified through baptism and are thus brethren in Christ. The Decree on Ecumenism (Unitatis Redintegratio) of Vatican II teaches that "all who have been justified by faith in baptism are members of Christ's body, and have a right to be called Christian, and so are correctly accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church."

Because Mormonism is polytheistic and rejects the Trinity, Mormon baptism is not valid, and Mormons are not considered separated brethren.

43 posted on 07/09/2010 8:07:49 AM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12

Because Mormonism is polytheistic and rejects the Trinity,

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The LDS does not rejuect the Father Son and Holy Ghost the Lord makes it very clear in many passages in the Bible that they one in mind and seperate beings.

The very fact that Jesus receive a mortal body on earth seperates Him from the Heavenly Father.

Jesus has paryed ti the Father in Heaven to take away thsi cup.

Jesus has asked the Father in Heaven to forgive them

Jesus has asked the Father that the same blessing be upon those who beleive on Jesus

Look I could say you too are polytheistic because Trinity is still 3 personages.

Like I said there was a time that many protestants beleived in the Apostle Creed which differs from the Nicene Creed.

The LDS are Not polytheistic I take the word literal you need a Father and a mother to sire a Son.

The defenition of word have not changed from the beganning.

BTW a Christian is one who believes in Jesus Christ.

In John 17 here is an intercessory prayer between Jesus Christ and God, His Heavenly Father

John 17

Jesus offers the great intercessory prayer—He is glorified by gaining eternal life—He prays for his apostles and all the saints—How the Father and Son are one.

1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou
gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

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20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as thou, F
ather, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

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24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.


44 posted on 07/09/2010 8:58:05 AM PDT by restornu
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To: colorcountry

I would never vote for a Mormon! His loyalties lies with the LDS over America.


45 posted on 07/09/2010 9:04:47 AM PDT by ForAmerica (Conservative Christian Black Man!)
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To: restornu
I will have to take the Catholic Church's scholarship over yours on this question of Mormonism being Christian, especially since the Eastern Orthodox, and the Protestants all agree on the same thing.

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46 posted on 07/09/2010 9:13:30 AM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: restornu

Still trying to convince yourself that Mormonism is just another Christian denomination?

You still never answer my questions about why the 1830 and the 1981 BOM are different.


47 posted on 07/09/2010 9:15:35 AM PDT by ForAmerica (Conservative Christian Black Man!)
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To: ansel12

I will have to take the Catholic Church’s scholarship over yours on this question of Mormonism being Christian,

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I understand where you are coming from but I also feel the scriptures are very clear

My point was not dispute on who is more Christian i know who I am.

It was the term polytheistic I felt John 17 reveal that Jesus wanted many to know of the Heavenly Father.

John 17 excerpt of Jesus intercessory prayer

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

Thank you for your time and have a good day!


48 posted on 07/09/2010 9:23:59 AM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu
I understand where you are coming from but I also feel the scriptures are very clear

So do Christians, that is why the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, and the Protestant Churches all agree that Mormonism is not Christian.

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49 posted on 07/09/2010 9:33:18 AM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12

I understand where you are coming from but I also feel the scriptures are very clear

So do Christians, that is why the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, and the Protestant Churches all agree that Mormonism is not Christian.

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Well if seems from your comments ansel12 the churches of the world have spoken!

And I feel also the Lord has spoken...

Matt. 15: 8
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.


50 posted on 07/09/2010 11:06:33 AM PDT by restornu
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