Posted on 09/07/2010 6:19:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
The United States' top commander in Afghanistan has warned that a planned Koran-burning event in Florida could put US troops in danger.
Gen. David Petraeus added his voice to mounting protests from both the US and abroad over the Dove World Outreach Center's plans to burn Korans on Saturday to mark the anniversary of the September 11 terror attacks. His comments ratcheted up the pressure on once-obscure pastor Terry Jones to call off the event.
The controversy comes as some 120,000 US and allied troops are waging a counter-insurgency campaign against the Taliban in Afghanistan, a campaign whose goals include winning support for the US-backed government from the largely Muslim population.
General Petraeus said that burning Korans "is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems – not just here, but everywhere in the world we are engaged with the Islamic community," according to CNN.
""It could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort in Afghanistan," Gen. David Petraeus said in a statement issued Monday ...
"Even the rumor that it might take place has sparked demonstrations such as the one that took place in Kabul yesterday," he said. "Were the actual burning to take place, the safety of our soldiers and civilians would be put in jeopardy and accomplishment of the mission would be made more difficult."
"Mr. Jones, the pastor of the center in Gainesville, Florida, has touted the activity as "International Burn the Koran Day." Jones also authored a book titled "Islam is of the Devil," which has a Facebook page and Twitter account.
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I wonder when Petreaus is going to figure out that there is no such thing as a “moderate” muslim.
How does he think our soldiers who are Christian felt about having bibles confiscated and burned by our own military?
Burning korans seems to be a good way to reach out for dialog. Not unlike building Victory Mosques.
> wonder when Petreaus is going to figure out that there
> is no such thing as a “moderate” muslim.
Simple logic should lead a clear thinker to conclude that, if burning the Pedophile Pirate’s hateful screed endangers people, then there really are no moderate adherents or proselytes thereof.
No?
And when will he admit we are at war with islam. Islam is the problem. Muslims don’t need an excuse to riot and kill people. Muslims murder other muslims, including women and children, every day. Appeasement is not the answer.
Exactly. In my opinion, if our troops aren't allowed to fight to win, we should leave and destroy all the drug crops from the air.
That's right. Islam is a disease that needs to be wiped off the face of the earth.
can you point me to your force for the US military ever burning a Bible?
colonel, USAFR
This is a stupid idea. Not that anyone should be surprised when someone who wears jean shorts came up with it.
Burning copies of the Koran is a provocative act. Likewise, our mere existence is a provocative act to Islamists. The issue I would take with this event is that it is not a productive provocative act.
Productive acts would include charging the developers of the GZ Mosque with being undocumented agents of a hostile foreign power and advocating the overthrow of the Constitution, and throwing their butts in Gitmo. That would be useful. Merely yelling at the enemy is not useful.
(CNN) -- Military personnel threw away, and ultimately burned, confiscated Bibles that were printed in the two most common Afghan languages amid concern they would be used to try to convert Afghans, a Defense Department spokesman said Tuesday.
The unsolicited Bibles sent by a church in the United States were confiscated about a year ago at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan because military rules forbid troops of any religion from proselytizing while deployed there, Lt. Col. Mark Wright said.
I was flipping around on the news stations this morning and stopped on Good Morning America. They were doing a segment on this. It made me laugh because they were doing a thing on Islam is peaceful, but they were saying in the same breath that it would endanger American troops if this church burned Korans. Let me see. If Islam is peaceful, why would it endanger anyone if this church burns Korans? And the funny thing was, neither of the hosts saw anything crazy in saying both of these things in the same breath.
I’m considering burning a chapter in the privacy of my own home on a regular basis. With the internet, it’s no trouble at all to print out chapters as needed.
Who's the moron who thought this would be a good idea? You think they hate us now.
Both the Commander-In-Chief and a General in charge of a war have called for Americans to stifle their First Amendment rights.
What do they think will happen if we actually do give up all our rights because of violent muslims?
Will we be safer?
Will they stop trying to kill infidels?
Will they cease jihad?
Will they begin to tolerate non-muslims in any way?
No.
Benjamin Franklin had it right. This is a perfect example.
Don’t ever give up your rights for some false promise of security. Ever. You’ll end up losing both your security and your freedom.
Burn ‘em.
Funny how the left is all about protecting religious freedom when it comes to building the mosque, but totally against the freedom to burn korans. I want muslims to know their satanic cult isn’t wanted here. America needs to get their collective heads out of the sand and see what islam has done to other countries and what it will inevitably do in America. Islam is in no way compatible with American laws and ideals, in spite of what muzzie Barry says.
Petraeus needs to familiarize himself with the concept of total war.
Living infidels is what really makes them go crazy. So all us infidels should stop breathing just so we don’t make them angry? Yeah, right.
Funny how this distinction fails to occur to so many people.
It won’t make them hate us any more. Hell, a couple of years ago they were literally driven to suicidal violence over CARTOONS. It’ll always be something. Trying to appease muslim sensibilities through overblown sensitivity is a fool’s errand. I don’t particularly like the Koran burning thing but the right response is to shrug indifferently, cite our principle of free speech, and move on, rather than get all culturally self-critical and show weakness to the Muslims.
Yes, there is such a thing. They are considered heretics.
Well, general, we know you have to follow the orders of your commander. And we KNOW what the Marxist Muslim in the Oval Office thinks.
But I think a national Burn a Koran Day would be a good idea.
These scum feel THEIR religion, THEIR prophet, etc are untouchable but they have no problem insulting or killing other people who are not Muslims.
Screw them all - burn the Korans.
The muslims in Afghanistan are on TV right this minute burning the US flag and effigies of Petraeus (I think it is.)
How will NOT burning the koran change anything?
Here is a list of sources from GOOGLE.
Here is the primary article on CNN
Military burns unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-05-20/world/us.military.bibles.burned_1_bibles-al-jazeera-english-military-personnel?_s=PM:WORLD
Proof that this happened?
They will never like us.
Unfortunately, that won’t happen until the Day of Revelation.
Due to Abraham’s impatience, Islam is always going to be a problem.
What endangers our troops is having them in Afghanistan at all when Peetreus himself has said that the goal there is to make an accomodation with the taliban and allow them back in power. This is crazy. I say bring the troops home now!
What does the General have to say about IRAN paying Taliban to kill Amerocans? Are Afgan citizens that are taking part in the “Death to America” protest being paid by IRAN?
If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him.
- Sun Tzu, “The Art of War”
Here is an idea for the General and the administration, turn over the running of the fight to the people that know how to win, ie the military, get rid of all Congressional oversight, kick the UN out of the US. Collateral damage is to be expected, if Muslim citizens will not divulge where the insurgents are hiding amongst them, too bad for them.
I cannot believe Petraeus (although he is an Øbama appointee), is doing this. This is a WAR ... the Taliban are trying to KILL our people. Do these morons believe that they are going to try to KILL US MORE DEAD because a bunch of nuts in Florida burn a book? This isn't about books or PC or feeling good or "maybe" ... it's about life and death. That is, unless maybe they are not fighting a war ... maybe they consider this an "occupation" now?
If it is a war, you don't worry about burning books, you worry about burning down the damned poppy fields that are supporting this whole mess. We sprayed the VC with Agent Orange)... defoliated the place. I'm sure by now we have an "environmentally friendly" agent Orange (Green Orange?)... but is there any talk of burning and defoliating the poppy fields? No. Why not? Well, these poor farmers would be upset with us. And while the people "running" this war worry about books being burned in Florida, they are putting our soldiers into body bags and send them home with a flag! But that is not discussed and there is no outrage.
Time to carpet bomb the place, clean out the gene pool, bring our guys home and put them on the southern border ... WITH ammunition.
Might as well just bring em home NOW.
The Kenyan muhammadan commie put him up to this and it stinks.
I either forgot about this or don't remember it, but either way, it was an abomination and the poster child of Political Correctness/Nation Building/Multiculturalism, run amok.
What is worse is that according to the timeline (supposedly May 2008) this would have made it under W's watch, which should not surprise anyone, as this poor naive, uninformed and misled (no doubt by Islamo-Fascist, Jihad/Muslim Brotherhood-supporting TRAITOR--Grover Norquist--who should have been banned and shunned by all Conservatives a long time ago) "Compassionate Conservative" RINO, Bush, started out being a "Crusader-like Commander,"--ready, willing and able to kick some Radical-Islamic ass--and ended up like so many other "Dhimmis" praising/defending/appeasing, the faux, cult-cum-religion of "Pieces!" and its practitioners!
GOD forbid (pun intended) we should have allowed any "Proseletizing" and anyone trying to convert the heathen/barbarian/rock-worshipping-pagans.
The BIGGEST mistake we made was allowing Iraq and Afghanistan to form governments with the "Controlling Authority," being Islam/Sharia.
That in itself, guarantees we will never succeed in "Nation Building" or convince either country to live peacefully among other nations.
Remember that one?
Normally I wouldn't have considered any such silly protest but the general's comments have the effect of throwing down the gauntlet. Are we free or not?
Petraeus needs to familiarize himself with the concept of total war.
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I agree with you, but we have not fought to win decisively at a strategic level since WWII. That was 65 years ago.
The closest exception was Reagan’s bankrupting the Soviet Union, which was inspired genius.
I think he already knows that. He is just trying to do what ever it takes to win over there. He knows that despite prior success in Iraq, his military career hinges on the success in Afghanistan.
I don't think it is too much to ask the Rev. Jones to back off.
Our forefathers saw this coming, we see the results by ignoring their advice and now we have a Muslim as POTUS.
And said POTUS has its top commander complaining that his troops are in danger, the irony of this is astounding.
Burning the Koran exposes all the lies and weaknesses of Muslims, its like a truth serum and is an absolute tactical advantage, sure it appears childish but when dealing with a anal backward cult it is an act that while considered immature in the modern world is a very good act of defiance against them.
Its called defiance, we defy Islam, plain and simple as that.
We will burn the Koran, we will throw it in a cesspool, we will use its paper to clean excrement, we defy its purpose.
We defy Islam and its symbols of oppression and submission.
Its a lose-lose. To succeed hands a big victory to our enemies.
I agree. Michal Gorbachev won a Nobel Peace Prize for surrendering gracefully which only serves to prove how much of a genius Reagan was.
Brought over from the ATRW thread:I’ve been thinking about Petraeus’s comments about the church burning the moslem book. I suspect, I cannot know, that Petraeus has been ordered to say something - anything - to try to dissuade that from happening. Who has the authority to order P to do anything? No, not his wife! General P has been ordered to speak against it by Caligula. Caligula is personally outraged by the church’s protest, probably tried to order some authority, police perhaps, FBI to stop it, found out he can’t do that and then ordered Petraeus to jump into the fray.
That is the only way General P’s comments make sense to me. General P has made his career out of protecting our first ammendment rights. We don’t say, “please don’t hurt me! I won’t do such-and-such.” We speak out and we protest. We’ve protested the enemies during other wars. The proper response is to hit the enemy harder, not wimpy roll over.
That’s the way I see it.
When they found bibles in Iraq, they took them from the soldier who had them, and they burned them.
I’m sure Gen Petraeus remembers that.
That said, some commander’s insensitivity to Christianity is no reason to violate “2 wrongs don’t make a right.”
However, in the Gainesville Church’s defense, they are little Paul’s doing what Paul oversaw in Acts 19....burning false religious texts.
Or does that rule now only apply to comments Obama doesn't approve of?
It is a shame that we have come to the point that the answer is 'not'.
The Korans are the property of those who intend to burn them. Those who object should offer to buy them. Then the church should acquire more.
I wonder; when (and I mean when) this church is burned down or blown up by muslims, and members are killed, will there be any outrage about the crime? or will the left rally to the defense of Islam? Never mind, I know the answer.
We could solve the whole Afghanistan problem if we just converted all the Muslims there to Christianity.
Bullshit.
We're already at war in Afghanistan, or hadn't you noticed?
This is just the excuse of the day. The same people would be here today in the same spot but they would have chosen a different thing to be "offended" about.
War is hell. They started it. They continue it under the name of islam and jihad. We are going to finish it once we get a non-muslim/non-marxist sympathetic administration with sense.
These people will LITERALLY KILL YOU if they have half a chance. Don't appease them in the name of "safety" because that is an illusion of the frightened.
Fight back. We win, they lose. Peace through strength, not servitude and cowardice. It's been that way in the world even longer than islam and Christianity has existed.
Learn from history or die in the same way other civilizations have.
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