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Difficult thoughts on the election

Posted on 11/04/2010 10:52:00 AM PDT by Conservative_Pragmatist

Hey gang-

I am new here. I was looking for Conservative boards to post on during the election and they just weren’t very good. Someone told me about this site so I figured I’d check it out.

I felt compelled to log-up after the Republicans took massive control of the US House this election.

Like most of you I was over-joyed when the Democrats got swept out of Congress. But we have seen how the tea leaves (pun intended) change. The last two cycles the Republicans got waxed, we were losing seats in strong Conservative areas. That cycle is now turned. We’ve picked up key seats in more Liberal areas like Mass, Illinois, Wisconsin, and here in Virginia a very popular Democrat (Boucher) was defeated. Never thought I’d see that, so the message is loud and clear, this nation DOES NOT want big government.

However, it’s easy to think the electorate in the center could swing right back to the other side if the Republicans fail to deliver. Or get this? Even if the Republicans DO deliver!

Personally, I think this election for the Republicans was great. We dominate the house so no far-left initiatives have any chance of ever making it to law. And I was sorta glad we didn’t get the Senate, because now the Democrats still have some culpability and Obama can’t play against the Republican congress in 2012. We are also close enough that if we win the White House in 2012, we could possibly send a complete majority Republican Senate with that person.

So that is GREAT news.

However, WHAT IF Obama decides to compromise with the Republicans? Remember Clinton compromised with the Republicans after 1994 and got some good things done on trade, welfare and the economy took off as well. Clinton was then re-elected as a more popular candidate than when he won in 1992.

Point is, if Clinton had not worked with the Republicans then maybe the country struggles longer and we beat him in 1996, but that wasn’t what was best for our country.

So the struggle I am having is this. Can we afford NOT to work with a Democrat President if it means we can help the USA? If he works WITH our guys, moves to the center, limits government spending and frees up the market and that helps our nation, then it stands a chance he could get re-elected, something I don’t want to see.

But…helping our country now, and the US Republicans now have a chance to help our nation may actually turn out to help the Democrat President.

While I was popping champagne the other night, I am now left with these thoughts and don’t know what to think. Again…for me it’s country first.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2010midterms; chat; concerntroll; gopcomeback; vanity; victorkilo; zot; zuluoscartango
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To: SandRat
How, exactly, can a president get around:

"All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives..."
--- The Constitution of The United States, Article 1, Section 7

ALL Bills for raising revenue seems pretty much all-inclusive to me. Without the house, the president has no money.

41 posted on 11/04/2010 11:23:16 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist
Anyone who doesn't see this guy as a leftist troll is blind.

42 posted on 11/04/2010 11:23:23 AM PDT by I see my hands (How's that ballot box thing working out for you?)
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To: Frantzie
The syntax reminds me of the tech support folks I've dealt with in India.

I bet he is concerned.

43 posted on 11/04/2010 11:24:18 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: Lazamataz
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44 posted on 11/04/2010 11:24:54 AM PDT by lonevoice (I can see Tuesday from my house!)
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To: SES1066

“I felt compelled to log-up”

I found that statement to be strange.

Doesn’t mean much though.


45 posted on 11/04/2010 11:26:13 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist
If he works WITH our guys, moves to the center, limits government spending and frees up the market and that helps our nation, then it stands a chance he could get re-elected, something I don’t want to see.

Not going to happen. Compromise only makes sense when you share some overlapping goals with the other side. I cannot think of a single goal Obama or the Democrats have that I share.

46 posted on 11/04/2010 11:27:42 AM PDT by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

GO AWAY TROLL.


47 posted on 11/04/2010 11:29:11 AM PDT by Third Person
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To: WayneS

Exactly—the House of Representatives will pass the bills they choose to pass. Whether the Senate or White House choose to fall in line is their call.

What is there to negotiate?


48 posted on 11/04/2010 11:29:58 AM PDT by cgbg (No bailouts for New York and California. Let them eat debt.)
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To: T. P. Pole

If he’s in India then he has every RIGHT to be concerned.

Barack Hussein and his Merry Band of Obamanauts are headed HIS way!


49 posted on 11/04/2010 11:31:19 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

Gee, you missed the party. Welcome anyway. Let’s celebrate first, then we get down to business.


50 posted on 11/04/2010 11:32:09 AM PDT by WVNan (>)
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To: Third Person

Do you think the situation is serious enough that we should open up a new can of “Troll-B-Gon”?


51 posted on 11/04/2010 11:33:32 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist; 50mm; Old Sarge; darkwing104; Darksheare

52 posted on 11/04/2010 11:35:52 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Work harder than ever for 2012.)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist

I wouldn’t worry too much about odinga. Several states have passed legislation since ‘08 that codifies how candidates, especially presidential candidates are vetted. They will have to PROVE to these states they are eligible for the office they seek. Like being a “natural born citizen” and the like. Whatever damning history odinga is hiding re his “roots” will eventually be revealed or he won’t get on the states’ ballots. FWIW.


53 posted on 11/04/2010 11:36:04 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have just two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: UCANSEE2

Along with other anomalies, it means that the poster is not an American.


54 posted on 11/04/2010 11:36:13 AM PDT by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: Conservative_Pragmatist; 50mm; darkwing104; Old Sarge

As several have pointed out, we suffer from trolls oozing their way in, and disrupting. You won’t mind if a couple of friendly kitties give you the sniff test?


55 posted on 11/04/2010 11:36:37 AM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: I see my hands

Give the guy a chance. Vanities aren’t just done by noobs.

Stating that ‘we’ must think exactly like you, is kinda leftist.

Not all newcomers to FR are mature, lifelong conservatives, with experience in debating online.

I would rather give a person a second chance, than to jump to such a quick conclusion and be wrong.

Many noobs have started off similarly, and then gone on to participate in a meaningful way.


56 posted on 11/04/2010 11:37:59 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: WayneS

Troll-B-Gon would be just about right. Unload ASAP...


57 posted on 11/04/2010 11:39:29 AM PDT by Third Person
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To: Pete

Pete, I love your lesson in patriotism. I think I will save that and take it to our Tea Party meeting to read on Tues. If you don’t mind that is.


58 posted on 11/04/2010 11:40:03 AM PDT by WVNan (>)
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To: MamaB
If you are a real conservative you would know that

Maybe that's why he (she?) came to FR.

To become a real conservative. Not everyone is perfect, like say... you or me.

59 posted on 11/04/2010 11:40:37 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: dynachrome; Conservative_Pragmatist
You won’t mind if a couple of friendly kitties give you the sniff test?

It looks like he might not be coming back.

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60 posted on 11/04/2010 11:41:12 AM PDT by lonevoice (I can see Tuesday from my house!)
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