Posted on 11/05/2010 10:19:53 PM PDT by chatter4
With all the talk of many conservatives hoping that Mark Rubio could one day run for President, I have a few questions. From the information available on the Web, It is said that Mark Rubio's parents were here in exile from Cuba. That would imply that they had hopes of returning there one day. Did his parents ever become US citizens? Did they become US citizens prior to Mark's birth?
Rubio was born in the US, he’s a US citizen. End of story.
NOT! Just like Your President, unless both his parents became US citizens BEFORE his birth, he is not a Natural Born Citizen....therefore just like Obama, He would not be eligable ...
but he is not a “natural born” citizen and is not eligible to be President.
Just like Obama is not eligible...but seems like everyone is ignoring that fact!
Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, etc. were all born to parents who were obviously British subjects, not U.S. citizens.
Unless there is some sort of "grandfathering clause" in the Constitution, then being born in one of the 13 Colonies was good enough for them to be POTUS-eligible.
go back to DU...
It’s not so simple.
Guess what! There is a “grandfathering clause.”
I have to agree.
There should not be even a HINT of allegiance to any other country. Anybody who wishes to become president should be born on US soil to two parents who are citizens. I wish the whole natural born/native born issue would be clarified so further confusion could be avoided.
The addition of a grandfather clause in this paragraph says a lot as to the meaning of natural born. The first thing it says is that being born in the US is not enough to be natural born, otherwise the grandfather clause would not be necessary. The writers and delegates, having been born in the US, wanted to be eligible for the presidency, but most were the children of British subjects. Knowing that that eliminated them from being natural born and, thus, from eligibility, they included the grandfather clause which expired when the last person alive at the time of the ratification of the Constitution died. So, being a native born citizen is not the same as being natural born. If it were the framers would not have included the clause.
(As posted by freeper 2ndDivisionVet on the website "Natural Born Conservative") http://larrymwalkerjr.blogspot.com/2009/03/true-definition-of-natural-born-citizen.html
The comments on the page are interesting as well.
Barry's problem is that he can't even get to the point about arguing if he was natural born as his birth certificate has more variations than Lady Gaga has wardrobe changes. And the only people that claim to have seen his birth certificate and CERTIFIED IT were Pelosi and Reid. Ya, no conflict there.
And now Rubio is on the chopping block. Kid hasn't even served a day in the Senate and some are already harping that he can't be president.
The interesting thing about Rubio is that he's Cuban (and why don't I recall this argument when Mel Martinez became senator? It's quite funny how much Rubio strikes fear into the hearts of liberals)and Cuban emigres are treated far differently than economic refugees that flood the US from the Southwest.
Technically, they can't be illegal aliens. They are pretty much granted resident status the moment their feet touch US soil.
And the worst thing of all for the anti-Rubio bunch is that it really can't be argued that he or his parents were ever subject to the laws or or owed allegiance to Cuba after arriving in the US.
American Indians were only made into US citizens circa 1980. I believe President Carter signed the law making them citizens.
If he isn't a natural born citizen he can, if he wishes, hold any other government office. He would be easy to vote for, from what I've heard, for any leadership office. If he isn't eligible, we have Michelle Bachman, Allen West, Sarah Palin, and, though I hoped he would man up and raise the issue of Obama's ineligibility, seeing how few citizens understand the issue, I can see how hard it is to combat the massive disinformation campaign, so I'd have no trouble with Jim DeMint.
John Bingham, Judge AG who tried the Lincoln conspirators and Ohio Congressman, was the principal author of the 14th Amendment. The 14th Amendment had nothing to do with natural born citizenship, but for completeness, Bingham clarified the meaning of the term in his address to the House promoting his 14th Amendment:
I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen….
Second, here is reasonably recently cited (1939) Supreme Court definition of natural born citizen. Because citizens have every right that natural born citizens have, from the famous and confusing Wong Kim Ark decision, the only right denied a citizen is not a guaranteed right at all, but is the privilege of holding the office of President and Commander in Chief. Chief Justice Morrison Waite in his post 14th Amendment decision on Minor v. Happersett:
“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens,”
For a more recent indication that the citizen parents are still in vogue among the “living Constitution” advocates, Patrick Leahy agreed with Judge Michael Chertoff in the April 2008 Senate Resolution pretending to make John McCain eligible to provide a shield for questions about Obama’s eligibility:
“My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied. “That is mine, too,” said Leahy.
What’s your point? Does the citizenship of Rubio’s parents somehow change his citizenship?
There’s no other reason to be asking, you know...
This is to make sure that the children of US citizens are to be considered US citizens regardless of where they were born.
Such as children born of US military families stationed overseas. Or the children born of US citizens who were working/vacationing/whatever overseas at the time of their child's birth.
Sinch the parents were still subject to US jurisdiction... their children are US citizens.
How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
Perhaps this escaped you, but his name happens to be Marco - not Mark. But I’m sure that’s just an innocent mistake.
Actually, the birther movement simply states that since Obama has not provided a birth certificate, he has not met the requirements to hold the office of President. Anything else is assuming that he even has one.
The Indian Citizenship Act was passed in 1924.
Libs just are mean to pretty conservatives because the huge majority of their women are hideous.
His parents were here legally, whether they are citizens or not, Cuban dissidents are accepted as refugees from a communist regime. It has the force of law and is accepted since the 1950's. You've heard of "wet foot, dry foot". That's the law. It applies only to Cubans because Cuba is a communist regime 90 miles from our shore.
Haven't spent any time on Birther threads, have you?
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