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College president lying about concealed carry, and media covering for him(TX)
St Louis Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 23 November, 2010 | Kurt Hoffman

Posted on 11/24/2010 4:37:58 AM PST by marktwain

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As always occurs when the possibility of an expansion of legal recognition of the right to armed self-defense is discussed, the "Personal Protection on Campus Act" is drawing harsh criticism. As is often also the case, the criticism is coming from people who are either clueless, or utterly without integrity (although I suppose we should not rule out the possibility of them being both). Meet Kilgore College President Bill Holda, quoted by KLTV 7 News:

"I think it's a bad idea," said Bill Holda, president of Kilgore College. The campus is just one of the institutions in within district 7, covering all of Gregg County and parts of Smith County.

Holda said he favors protecting Second Amendment rights, but called Simpson's bill "ill-advised."

Hmm--he "favors protecting Second Amendment rights," but when a bill comes up that would do that, he finds it "ill-advised." So what about the bill, specifically, does Holda think is "ill-advised"? That's where it gets good. From CampusCarry.com:

As an example of the type of information he believes Simpson failed to consider, Holda pointed to the Luby’s massacre, telling a local TV station, “[During the Luby’s massacre] you had multiple shooters, and innocent people were killed by other people who had concealed, licensed handguns, because they weren’t sure who was the shooter and who was a defender.”

This is, of course, utter hogwash (to be polite), as the Luby's Cafeteria massacre occurred in 1991--five years before the legalization of concealed carry in Texas, and the only guns present were in the hands of the deranged psychopath responsible for the slaughter. In fact, one of the prime movers in the effort that brought legal concealed carry to Texas in 1996 is Dr. Suzanna Gratia Hupp.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: banglist; campus; ccw; examiner; tx
Progressives can no longer depend on the MSMs ability to cover for their lies.
1 posted on 11/24/2010 4:38:03 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

2 such apparent lies in the same interview clearly indicate a “lie” not ignorance.

Certainly a “well educated” College administrator knew better. /sarcasm

Often “well educated” means indoctrinated (brain washed).


2 posted on 11/24/2010 4:55:19 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: marktwain

There is nothing new here just a college professor or administrator lying through their teeth to further a personal agenda.


3 posted on 11/24/2010 5:05:17 AM PST by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: marktwain
Some colleges and universities have been known for their reluctance to involve LEO's in attacks that are made on campus.

Our daughter worked at night in a women's residence hall on such a campus. Part of her instructions concerning attacks on female students: Unless an ambulance is needed DO NOT call the police, call campus security.

Many institutions of higher learning are more interested in their image than the safety of their students. The phrase gun free campus may appeal to some parents, but an increasing number want more than just a catchy phrase when it comes to safety for the members of their family.

This college president is following the old party line when he talks about concealed carry. It does make one doubt about how much emphasis he puts on the safety of the students.

4 posted on 11/24/2010 5:09:16 AM PST by TYVets
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To: TYVets
What a POS!!!

WHEN are liberal Pieces of Sh!t going to be held accountable for their words and actions????

This "person" needs to be fired!!! Immediately.

5 posted on 11/24/2010 5:18:03 AM PST by Jerrybob
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To: marktwain

About the only thing that this college official can be accused of is a poor grasp of the facts about an example he used to substantiate his argument. The media obvioulsy tried to hide rather than challenge or correct his statement.
In substance, however, I do not think he is wrong in opposing concealed carry on college campuses. There are more than a few students around who may well possess the proper credentials for carrying a concealed weapon, but the general immaturity of today’s college students make me reject the idea of concealed carry on campus. Maybe for college staff and faculty who have a license, ok, but not your average college student.


6 posted on 11/24/2010 6:05:39 AM PST by yetidog (/*)
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To: yetidog

The college president is wrong about more than one thing, and, unfortunately, so are you. CITIZENS have a right to defend themselves. SUBJECTS do not. Responsibilities accompany rights. If an 18 year old is has a right to sign legal papers, he has the right to defend himself. Anything else is feel-good nonsense. Yes, I confess, I do have a strong opinion on this issue. In three years, my youngest will be going to college. I believe he should have a fighting chance to defend himself against an armed attacker.


7 posted on 11/24/2010 7:18:05 AM PST by Pecos (Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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To: yetidog
but not your average college student.

Your "average college student" couldn't name 3 of the Founding Fathers or know whom we fought in WWII; they certainly shouldn't be armed and dangerous.

On the other hand, any student who has gone to the trouble to be trained and get their CPL certainly ought to be "allowed" to carry on campus.

I say "allowed" because colleges do not have the authority to deny me (or anyone, really) the right to have the means at hand to protect myself and my loved ones. I refuse to "allow" my right of self defense to be denied by some stupid college policy.

8 posted on 11/24/2010 7:31:21 AM PST by Jerrybob
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To: Pecos

9 posted on 11/24/2010 7:31:59 AM PST by Celtic Cross (I AM the Impeccable Hat. (AKA The Pope's Hat))
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To: yetidog
I do not think he is wrong in opposing concealed carry on college campuses. There are more than a few students around who may well possess the proper credentials for carrying a concealed weapon, but the general immaturity of today’s college students make me reject the idea of concealed carry on campus. Maybe for college staff and faculty who have a license, ok, but not your average college student.

But that would require special on-campus rules that don't exist elsewhere in the state. Those same people you don't trust to carry on-campus are perfectly legal to do so off-campus and the dead bodies are hardly piling up like cordwood. So what's this goober's excuse for needing special rules?

10 posted on 11/24/2010 7:49:30 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Pecos

I am a college teacher and have been for a very long time. Campus incidents resolvable by concealed carry is a rare as a UT-Whitman incident. Unless you are sending your offsping to an inner-city trade school, they should be fine in terms of confronting any situation that might otherwise require packing heat. I would be more concered about the influence of a decadent social life...something about which a firearm can do little.


11 posted on 11/24/2010 8:01:57 AM PST by yetidog (/*)
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Kilgore College President Bill Holda continues flying the flag of ignorance:

http://www.campuscarry.com/2010/11/23/kilgore-college-president-continues-his-assault-on-campus-carry/#content


12 posted on 11/24/2010 6:46:24 PM PST by CampusCarry
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