The district prosecutor is an ass.
Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.
Posted on 12/12/2010 5:15:51 AM PST by marktwain
Easy for me to say now... She's currently only 7.
From what I can see, the age of consent in Kansas is 16, so he did nothing illegal. No statutory rape.
For months Vondemkamp said she told Hannah she could date Allenbaugh only if they were supervised.
She was a dumb ass for letting that happen in my opinion but under Kansas law the age of consent 16.
Kansas is one of the few states in the union that recognizes Common Law Marriages. For Common Law Marriage, the female must only be 12 years old, the male 14.
Some need to figure out that in KS, them having sex was not illegal. Undesirable perhaps, but not illegal.
Of course the two kids are having intercourse. You tell this by what went on.
He should be brought up on Stat Rape if the Kansas laws allow
16 is terrihly young to he of leagal age and I'd wager that it is an exception rather than the rule...
More common than you might think. Just do a search on “age of consent”.
Assumimg 16 is the age of legal consent in KS, and that she gave consent to go with him, there is no kidnapping. To get to kidnapping, you’d have to show the daughter was either underage or being coereced against her will somehow, and the facts as we know them don’t seem to suggest either of those facts.
The district prosecutor is an ass.
What about kidnapping?
If a parent is still the legal guardian of a dependent person under 18.....
.....Then couldn't this be kidnapping when the guardian did not want the child to leave in the "perps" custody?
Same here, I was a teenage girl in the 70’s could not date till I was 16. My dad found out that there was a guy probably in his early 20’s that was interested in me.....I found out later my father had a talk with him and I never had even a conversation with the guy again.....
Gotta love my dad.....
This, is sage advice. Hard but sage.
Sometimes you have to let them make their own mistakes.
Not sure about that. Possibly. I was just addressing the cries of “statutory rape!”
Doing a search for"KS age of consent", apparently the age of consent in Kansas is 16, and it does not matter how old the adult partner of the 16 year old person is:
Probably a carry over from the pioneer days when young ladies were married off at an early age.
That being said, dad needs to have a heart to heart talk with the 21 year old man. Something along the lines of what kind of 21 year old MAN dates a 16 year old GIRL?
Then perhaps a demonstration of why he better never come around his daughter again until she is a legal adult living on her own.
Hhmmm... No mention of a "Dad" in this story.
I know - these type of stories almost always have that in common. Father and mother separated or divorced. Maybe it's his fault, maybe it's her fault, maybe it's both their fault. But even if they no longer like each other very much they need to work together to keep the kid(s) from self destructing until the reach adult-hood.
There will be no 21 year-olds dating my 16 year-old daughter. Period.
I for one believe you. Just remember to tell the police that he said he was going to kick your a$$ and swung at you first.
The dad will be in deep trouble if he tries to help. The “law” isn’t his friend. One scratch on the girl could send him to jail. It is a brave new world we live in.
Yes. I agree with what you are saying here, and would like to say that to be honest, it is not always daddy's fault. Well, if he is irresponsible or abusive, then yes.
If in spite of good parenting the kid chooses the wrong path, best to get legal advice to protect yourself as a parent and to let them go. Once they are out of the house go on with your life without them. They will either learn the right lessons, or try to use the parents as an ATM whenever they need "help". Learning the right lessons means welcome back to the family. Trying to take advantage of us and emotionally / financially abusing us means stay away we don't want you calling us or coming by.
But sometimes mommy wants a divorce for no good reason and figures she can go it alone with the child support money from him but not "having to put up with a husband".
I know of a few cases where the wife decided to get a divorce - long story short she wanted the freedom of not having to deal with a man telling her what to do, trying to run things, trying to control her and the kids, etc. Nothing abusive (at least according to the men I talked to). The mother wanted freedom as a single person and figured she could raise the child or children fine by herself with child support from the father without having to deal with a man doing really what a responsible man is expected to do (someone has to be the parent and "law down the law").
Anyway, the kid(s) get to be 14-15-16 and rebel against mommy big time. Her threats don't work against them. "I'll have you arrested for child abuse if you touch me." Seeing the mother accuse the father of domestic abuse when the kid(s) know first person what really went on and the mother playing games using court orders and child visitation issues to make the father's life Hell shows the kids that gaming the system to get what you want is perfectly acceptable.
And one really good way to rebel, if you are a daughter, is to use that feminine sexuality to get what you want (date the older guys with cars and money to spend on you). And as the article shows, the mother is quite powerless to stop it.
The only thing I could offer for advice is to be the best example of a father and of a responsible man that he can be. That way the son(s) or daughter(s) will at least know as a point of reference what a decent man is supposed to be like.
Also that the kid(s) will grow up eventually and figure things out.
Kids have all the rights now. Why isn’t the 21-year-old being prosecuted for breaking and entering and assaulting the mom—what is using your 50-pound weight advantage to force open a door and overpower an adult woman if it isn’t assault?
It certainly is.
If the mother had brains (in my opinion) she could get a court order for the 21 year old man to stay away from her and her house by saying she was threatened by him.
I am sure the same attorneys that dispense helpful tips on how to make life hell for the ex-husband paying child support and trying to get visitation to be with his kid(s) could tell her how to get a restraining order against this 2 year old guy to stay away from her and her house, if not her daughter
Also it might be time for that legal age of consent law to be changed. Women are not property anymore.
That way, a future 21 year old Man (and older - Internet search of the stories has 34 year old men dating 16 year old girls and it's perfectly legal) who is dating a 16 year old GIRL will spend some time in the county jail and be shown the error of his ways.
I would like to be on her jury...
Cases like these - in my opinion, this is what juries are for.
I hear what you are saying, but remember too that the primary problem is that the mother can not control her daughter. Maybe it's partly her fault for the way her daughter turned out, maybe it is not.
She grabs a loaded gun and threatens to use deadly force against the 21 year old guy. And we can see how well that worked out...
And by the way, she is lucky the bullet did not go astray and hit her daughter, since these kind of things seem to occur from time to time when someone fires a gun "just to scare someone or to get them to stop" and the bullet hits the wrong person...
It is so sad when you read about a kid out of control. It is obvious that the Mom is trying to keep some order (she isn’t just going on with her life and ignoring it all). Perhaps military school that boards the kids. I believe there are several in our southern states that you can send both boys and girls. If the girl is 16 then Mom still has some control. The distance between the two would help matters and little Miss Frisky may not have the energy to do much after some hard school work coupled with physical exercise. IMHO. Just a thought.
“When our two girls were 16...”
Sort of like the t-shirt I saw recently: “GUNS DON’T KILL, DAD’S WITH TEENAGE DAUGHTERS KILL”.
Glad you turned out ok.
Aside from providing us with food and shelter when we are children, parents also have to get us through those troublesome teen years when some things that seem so right to us then would be such a big mistake, but we just don’t know enough to see it or understand it completely yet...
Make her an Emancipated Minor.
Problem solved. Just have to find a judge to countersign.
“That being said, dad needs to have a heart to heart talk with the 21 year old man. Something along the lines of what kind of 21 year old MAN dates a 16 year old GIRL?”
Age of consent is what it is, mostly an artificial construct. When I lived in England years ago you could get married at 16. I was 22 and dating a 16-year-old “girl.”
Well, all laws are an artificial construct. But to have a law someone has to decide on a number for speed limit, age of consent, etc.
Could you please tell me what kind of 22 year old male (who would be 4 years out of high school) would be dating a 16 year old female (who would be in the 10th grade in High School)?
From 22 to 16 is a six year age difference. Now if she was 18 and you were 24, then it would still be a 6 year age difference, but the extra two years for her would put her out of high school and she would (typically) have a lot more emotional maturity by then.
My thinking is that a 22 year old guy can legally go to the bar and drink. A 16 year old girl cannot legally drink. 21 year old girls can legally drink and are also a bit more mature, so why isn't he dating someone who is in his own age range (20-21-22)? What is the advantage in it for him? Hmmm...
My objection to a 22 year old male dating a 16 year old female would be my suspicion that he is using her for sex, and possibly giving her alcohol and/or marijuana - that he is dating her because it is easier to impress a 16 year old female than a say a 22 year old female.
I hope everything went ok in your relationship with the young lady. Perhaps you were a perfect gentleman to her and a knight in shining armor compared to all the other guys.
But I suspect when you get older (old enough to have a teenage daughter of your own) in your mid 30's and beyond - you will see things a bit differently and be more concerned about protecting your child from possible emotional harm or alcohol or drug problems or her getting into a life style where she could possibly ruin her life.
So please understand that in some situations it is better to err on the side of caution at the expense of granting freedom. And that is one of these situations because of the perceived risk to the child. So the bias tends to be on keeping guys in their 20's away from girls in their teens...
Plus, the parents will figure that if they're really in love they can get together in a couple of years - which from an adult perspective goes by pretty quickly - when she turns 18.
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