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Richmond Times-Dispatch ^ | 12-30-10 | Nathan B. Oman

Posted on 12/29/2010 11:40:27 PM PST by yort

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Excellent point about the underlying non-seriousness of the Religious Right faction.
1 posted on 12/29/2010 11:40:31 PM PST by yort
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To: yort

I like Beck.


2 posted on 12/29/2010 11:45:41 PM PST by marron
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To: yort

Welcome to FreeRepublic.


3 posted on 12/29/2010 11:48:08 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: yort

You just joined FR to post this crap? Move along please


4 posted on 12/29/2010 11:49:53 PM PST by Lloyd227 (Class of 1998 (let's all help the Team McCain spider monkeys decide how to moderate))
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To: yort

You sign up yesterday to post this?


5 posted on 12/29/2010 11:49:53 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: yort
Mr. "yort" (short for yogurt?)
Have you even read "The Five Thousand Year Leap" ? Please tell us the truth, yes or no?
6 posted on 12/29/2010 11:51:14 PM PST by Lloyd227 (Class of 1998 (let's all help the Team McCain spider monkeys decide how to moderate))
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To: yort

IBTZ


7 posted on 12/29/2010 11:51:55 PM PST by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: yort

Beck’s not my cup of tea. His hyper-emotionalism must be an acquired taste.


8 posted on 12/29/2010 11:57:30 PM PST by GunRunner (10 Years of Freeping...)
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To: All; yort
yort's 2nd post on FR...

"Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we go to church we're just making him madder and madder!" --Homer Simpson's take on Pascal's Wager

::Troll Alert::

9 posted on 12/29/2010 11:57:50 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: DarthVader

?


10 posted on 12/29/2010 11:58:03 PM PST by yort ("You just have to shoot straight" --AuH2O)
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To: GunRunner

I think we should leave hyper-emotionalism crap to the liberals and stick to logic and reason.


11 posted on 12/29/2010 11:59:21 PM PST by yort ("You just have to shoot straight" --AuH2O)
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I don't know this clown, Nathan B. Oman, but serious political people do not drag their personal religious fantasies into political discussions. It's a campaign killer for the 99% who disagree (even slightly), and no guarantee of votes from the 1% who share the exact same religious fantasy.

Conservatives are those who advocate the preservation, conservation, or restoration of our constitutional republican form of government. Not a single candidate who leads with their personal religious preference ever, ever, ever meets that test.

Religious tyranny is not conservative.
Pro-life liberalism is not conservative.
Authoritarian statism is not conservative.
Constitutional conservatism is conservative.

12 posted on 12/30/2010 12:03:11 AM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: yort

From my memory of the book, it boils down to 28 solid ideals the founders had for keeping the country free and prosperous.

I find the article lacking any meat in it’s criticism. Beck’s OCD usually has him spinning around trying to find a direction for his thoughts, which irritates me. Especially when he goes dark after reading some obscure book. This is not one of those books.

I smell an elitist GOP hack in Oman. His resume sides toward that conclusion. If the author wants to make a point, he should have cited quotes from 5000 instead of glossing over what his overall thoughts were.


13 posted on 12/30/2010 12:03:40 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: yort
I think Nate is a Romney-bot.


14 posted on 12/30/2010 12:05:31 AM PST by smokingfrog (Do all the talking you want, but do what I tell you.)
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To: yort

Apparently Beck is good for a headline though.


15 posted on 12/30/2010 12:06:29 AM PST by americanophile
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To: yort

where is the chalkboard?


16 posted on 12/30/2010 12:06:49 AM PST by woofie
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To: yort
Forget debates over gay marriage; the traditional kind seems to be in free fall among those vulnerable citizens who could benefit the most from it.

This is kind of an odd sentence. I've read it several times and I'm not sure what to make of it. I'm not sure what it has to do with Beck.

17 posted on 12/30/2010 12:15:14 AM PST by marron
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To: yort

BTW, welcome to FR. Try not to get ‘zotted’ straight away. Personally I find the occasional contrarian far more interesting.


18 posted on 12/30/2010 12:18:57 AM PST by americanophile
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To: yort

I notice the author couldn’t include any actual quote from the book where it is said Dwight D. Eisenhower was a communist. Usually when people do that it is because they either haven’t read what they imply they have read, or have read it and are not being truthful about what they have read. Maybe the author should read the books he critiques before writing about them and then actually provide supporting quotes to make his point.


19 posted on 12/30/2010 12:21:43 AM PST by piasa
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To: yort

The usual procedure here is to join, then lurk for, oh, half a decade, before posting anything. Some here take great offence to any deviation from normal, especially if the newb posts articles contrary to certain established facts.


20 posted on 12/30/2010 12:21:58 AM PST by muleskinner
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To: marron

Beck’s got a big hear and talks about very nasty people and how they’re destroying freedom. I admire him.


21 posted on 12/30/2010 12:24:30 AM PST by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenario at a time.)
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To: yort
Excellent point about the underlying non-seriousness of the Religious Right faction.

You call that an excellent point? You don't get out much, do you?

On a side note, I noticed this sentence: "It ought to be treated as a curiosity of the pre-Reagan right, a fantasy world where communist agents such as Martin Luther King Jr. and Dwight D. Eisenhower worked to undermine America.... "

One thing the nutbag Left has been successful in doing, largely due to their takeover of the media and Hollywood, is repeat, as accepted fact, that any accusations of communists infiltrating the US was always just paranoid fantasy, now discredited. Now that we see the fruits of the last 40 or 50 years of leftwing policies and propaganda, and the unbelievably drastic cultural and political changes they have wrought on this country, one would have to be a complete fool, ignorant of all 20th century US history, not to realize that those "fantasies" were, in fact, exactly correct, and the widespread disdain for those who raised the alarm, such as Joe McCarthy, are merely the natural result of that infiltration.

The fact that we have a communist like Obama in the White House, and a boatload of communists like Pelosi and Reid in Congress, with the approval of roughly half of the population, is ample evidence of communist infiltration and deconstruction of the American culture. Those things could never have occurred by force of arms 40 years ago, but have now occurred without a shot fired. McCarthy was a genius and a patriot, and Martin Luther King Jr. was probably a communist who worked to undermine America, despite whatever positive influence he may have been in terms of civil rights.
22 posted on 12/30/2010 12:31:17 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: yort
Excellent point about the underlying non-seriousness of the Religious Right faction.

I don't have much use for Beck but I and many others here are "the religious right" that you are looking down your nose at.

23 posted on 12/30/2010 12:31:58 AM PST by Graybeard58
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To: yort
Ummm. I call BS on you and Oman. Maybe you should elaborate in exactly who Nate Oman actually is and WHY he doesn't particularly "like" the "religious right." The man is being totally disingenuous in the article you posted.

Or was he being more disingenuous in THIS article?
Mormonism's Al Smith moment?
January 02, 2008|By Nathan B. Oman

Let us suppose that Mitt Romney does not become the next president. What will this mean for the Mormons? There about 5.7 million Latter-day Saints in America, which in a nation of more than 300 million makes us demographic chicken feed, but the question is important for what it reveals about the presidency and its relationship to American citizenship.

As a Latter-day Saint, I care deeply about whether a Mormon can be elected president. This is not because, as the anti-Mormon fringe suggests, my co-religionists and I want to impose a theocracy on the nation, but because so long as a Mormon cannot be elected president because he is Mormon.
Rather, I care because so long as a Mormon cannot be elected president because he is Mormon, I am a second-class citizen in our culture, a member of a tribe disqualified from full political participation.

______________________________________________

Maybe we should note that he seems to think religious Conservatism is just alright as long as it comes from HIS religion.

I have nothing against Mormons per se, Beck being a Mormon himself. I think this article ADDS to Beck's credibility rather than detracts from it.
So where does that place you?

For the record, I am an Orthodox Jew, and would never in a zillion years vote for anyone on the basis of religion alone like so many blacks voted for obama, or so many Mormons voted for Romney. If you ain't right, you ain't right. Period.

24 posted on 12/30/2010 12:35:22 AM PST by MestaMachine (islam - Hostis hvmani generis - Enemy of the human race)
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“Pro-life liberalism”

Query as to such you refer?


25 posted on 12/30/2010 12:36:43 AM PST by BenKenobi (Rush speaks! I hear, I obey)
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To: meadsjn

Ping to #24


26 posted on 12/30/2010 12:39:29 AM PST by MestaMachine (islam - Hostis hvmani generis - Enemy of the human race)
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To: yort
On the article:

"First, despite partisan triumphalism in the wake of electoral victory, voters at the center of the political spectrum hold the balance of power in American politics."

Largely true, though it continues to be a center-right nation.

"In the recent congressional elections these voters broke in favor of the Republicans, but they did so in spite of Beck's Skousen revivalism, not because of it."

Well, he presents no data from which to draw that conclusion, and instinctively it would probably be safest to say that their decisions at the polls were neither because of Beck or in spite of him, but rather irrespective of him. Obama's signature political achievent, 'Obamacare' is unpopular, unemployment is high, and the spendthrift Congress has a 13% approval rating. It had little to do with tv host Beck or even with specifically 'religious conservatism.'

"Second, and more important, Beck's neo-Skousenism is a distraction and a dead end."

On the contrary, the second point is made even less important by the irrelevance of the first.

27 posted on 12/30/2010 12:40:02 AM PST by americanophile
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It ought to be treated as a curiosity of the pre-Reagan right, a fantasy world where communist agents such as Martin Luther King Jr. and Dwight D. Eisenhower worked to undermine America....

I haven't read the book but when the first example a critic uses is made up and not from the work being criticized ... it's pretty much a lock that the critic is more full of BS than a stock yard.

28 posted on 12/30/2010 12:44:39 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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“Pro-life liberalism”

Query as to such you refer?

See Huckabee, Arkansas; a pro-life liberal; open borders, nanny-state, tax and spend, clemency for murderers; supported by the NEA teachers union; supported by evangelical Democrats; supports the Dream Act, amnesty for illegal aliens, in-state tuition for illegal aliens; etc., etc.

29 posted on 12/30/2010 12:44:45 AM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: GunRunner
Beck’s not my cup of tea. His hyper-emotionalism must be an acquired taste.

I used to like Beck - back when he was funny, more like he is on O'Reilly. I can't bear his show now though. His pseudo-wisdom cum 700-Club done LDS style, his tears, the whole package just comes across as snake oil salesman.

I have a feeling if anyone had heard him back when he was funny (maybe 15 years ago now)and compared it to today, they might be a little skeptical of his sincerity.

He could be quite convincing. He had a good number of listeners believing that he truly thought the news about John-John Kennedy dying in a plane crash was just more hype about John Denver. He played his audience for the fool then and I think he's using the same techniques now.

30 posted on 12/30/2010 12:44:50 AM PST by BuckyKat (Green is the new red.)
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To: yort

I support Beck.


31 posted on 12/30/2010 12:55:34 AM PST by blam
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To: yort

>> Article: ... and the tea party’s darker prognostications ...

I don’t have a problem with Beck’s decomposition of the complex World we live. It would be foolish to cast his commentaries aside as fantastical rhetoric. He’s entertaining and his arguments are generally sound. But defending Beck is unnecessary. What nullifies the article’s credibility is the assertion of “darker prognostications” by the evil tea party renegade. That’s #ing nonsense!

Welcome to FR.


32 posted on 12/30/2010 12:57:22 AM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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Well said. IIRC, about 90% of the population believe in God, and have some kind of religious or spiritual beliefs.

With thousands of religious groups, with either slightly or drastically diverse beliefs, no person is going to win any nationwide campaign by leading with their personal beliefs.

Liberal media people know this, and will pull out all the stops to get a divisive religious figure, of any flavor, elected as the Republican nominee.

On the other hand, the possibility of a Republican nominee who leads with a unifying message of common sense Constitutional conservatism sends the liberal Democrats and the liberal RINOs into spastic fits of screaming heebie-jeebies.

33 posted on 12/30/2010 1:02:53 AM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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"Query as to such you refer? See Huckabee, Arkansas; a pro-life liberal; open borders, nanny-state, tax and spend, clemency for murderers; supported by the NEA teachers union; supported by evangelical Democrats; supports the Dream Act, amnesty for illegal aliens, in-state tuition for illegal aliens; etc., etc. "

And the new choice of socialist press as the best candidate for Republicans. They are pushing him just like they did McLaim.

yitbos

34 posted on 12/30/2010 1:10:07 AM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: meadsjn

I am sticking with Sarah until and unless she says otherwise. At least her name is Jewish..../removing tongue from cheek now.


35 posted on 12/30/2010 1:10:42 AM PST by MestaMachine (islam - Hostis hvmani generis - Enemy of the human race)
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To: MestaMachine

Someone posted the Hebrew breakdown of her names. That was awesome.


36 posted on 12/30/2010 1:15:31 AM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: meadsjn

Ah, gotcha.


37 posted on 12/30/2010 1:43:57 AM PST by BenKenobi (Rush speaks! I hear, I obey)
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To: yort
I think we should leave hyper-emotionalism crap to the liberals and stick to logic and reason.

"We"?

::snort:: LOL!

You just outed yourself, you collectivist Rat troll. "We" conservatives speak for ourselves, not some groupthink collective. "We" say "I" and stand by our individual opinions. There is no "we" among "us," you stupid moran. That's what "we" share in individual common - and what "you" will never collectively understand.

Slink away back to your focus group and report your failure, loser.

38 posted on 12/30/2010 2:04:00 AM PST by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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I think we should leave hyper-emotionalism crap to the liberals and stick to logic and reason.

"We"?

::snort:: LOL!

You just outed yourself, you collectivist Rat troll. "We" conservatives speak for ourselves, not some groupthink collective. "We" say "I" and stand by our individual opinions. There is no "we" among "us," you stupid moran. That's what "we" share in individual common - and what "you" will never collectively understand.

Slink away back to your focus group and report your failure, loser.

39 posted on 12/30/2010 2:04:00 AM PST by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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To: yort

I like Glenn. However, he’s uneven and it’s hard to know what mode he’ll be in for any given show. Sometimes it’s history, sometimes religion, sometimes straight politics and sometimes audience and guest interviews. You need to sample at least a week or two’s worth before coming to any conclusions about him. I’ll say one thing, we need more teachers like him, those who use multi-media as effectively as he does. His staff who do the show-prep should be commended, first rate.


40 posted on 12/30/2010 2:28:58 AM PST by CanaGuy (Go Harper! We still love you!)
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To: meadsjn

Republicans win because they are the party of religion and that makes it the party of conservatives.

The Democrats are the party of anti-religion and they attract liberals.

The religious are conservative, the anti-religious are liberal is the way conservative/liberal breaks down, you should learn that at some point if you are going to spend time with conservatives.


41 posted on 12/30/2010 2:31:47 AM PST by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: meadsjn

The top measure for who is a conservative voter and who is a liberal voter, is church attendance, you can layoff your liberal, anti-American, anti-conservative message.


42 posted on 12/30/2010 2:34:46 AM PST by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: marron

I am trying to read everything Beck recommends and I will form my own opinions. So far, Beck has been a very able teacher/professor. Presently, I am reading THE 5000 YEAR LEAP. Got it for Christmas.


43 posted on 12/30/2010 2:40:26 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: fr_freak; yort
FF, I agree 100% with you and smell a lot of Lefty/Rookiefella perversion of reality in these faux conservative moles....as a new poster Yort may have a lot of learning needed before posting. IMO originating a contrarian POS post like this is a tell and indicates a trust but verify viewpoint even if the post smells a bit Trollish...if Yort would brush up on the history, read Blacklisted by History, the Venona Files or any of the documented history of the vast communist penetration of the Federal Gov., http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/declass/venona/index.shtml) and respond again after actually knowing something about the pre-Reagan Conservative movement that should help to verify Yort's probity.
44 posted on 12/30/2010 2:42:43 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: yort

Beck teaches logic and reason.. “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”, ....George Santayana


45 posted on 12/30/2010 2:45:30 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: meadsjn

YES!


46 posted on 12/30/2010 2:46:42 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: iopscusa

yort is probably a retread.


47 posted on 12/30/2010 2:47:03 AM PST by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: TheThinker

He is on my most admired list.


48 posted on 12/30/2010 2:49:24 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: fr_freak

The other half, though, is educated enough to see what is happening and they are on the march to inform about our system of government and of how our Constitution is being trashed on that fast locomotive to Communism. The articles and comments on Freerepublic are doing a good job of pointing out the facts.


49 posted on 12/30/2010 2:54:21 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: yort
Over the long term, the revival of the worst strands of Cold War conservatism on the religious right is bad for America and bad for religious conservatives.

REALLY?

Gee, I'll take Reagan-type Cold War Conservatism over the mushy-headed, pseudo-religious, libs any day; at least "they" were not affeared to challenge Evil (as in the Evil Empire) head on and were not falling all over themselves to be "inclusive," "PC," and willing to appease any and all of our enemies.

While not in lock step with Beck, he has done as much as anyone to expose the hypocrisy of the Left as well as the complacency of the right to include, to Uber Lib Religious groups, organizations and denominations, while taking on Dear Leader and other Hate-America zealots who's aim is the destruction of our Republic.

Nice try though. Too bad this crap won't fly with most Freepers, who are much more informed, intelligent and knowledgable than the average bear.

50 posted on 12/30/2010 2:56:09 AM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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