Cultists now in charge (Guns cost more lives than they save) BARF ALERT!

Salon.com ^ | 27 JAN 10 | Gene Lyons

[DCBryan1]

There are so many falsehoods that you could dissect this article sentence by sentence. Just goes to show you that the gungrabbers are STILL out there and want to disarm you IOT establish their Communist Utopia.

[Soothesayer]

The leftists have to blame guns because they can’t ever blame their fellow criminals. Lowlife thugs have to protect their own....

[SJSAMPLE]

I didn’t realize the whole point of self defense was to be an “infantry soldier”?

That said, that former soldier would have his ass handed to him in a one-on-one situation with a well-trained gun owner. Infantry skills do not make one a super soldier or a pistoleer, and using this one guy as a real-life “straw man” is a specious argument.

[Logical me]

This is one of the biggest pieces of horse manure I have read in a long time.

[Leisler]

The NRA is for wimps. Statists water carriers. The John McCain of gun groups.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Guns are used 2.5 millions times a year to prevent robberies, rapes, murders, carjackings, home-invasions, etc., 99% of the time without a shot being fired.

Gun Facts

[samtheman]

waddling around shopping malls carrying pistols

Now that's really a well-reasoned argument, isn't it?

The author can only call names. That's what this POS piece is all about. Smearing good people.

[Erik Latranyi]

Facts that do not fit the liberal agenda are always ignored and this article does a good job of ignoring many, many facts.

[Blue Jays]

You are absolutely correct that the number of falsehoods and inaccuracies in this so-called article is beyond comprehension.
The author abruptly flips from rape scenario to a peculiar bullet passing through wall and striking a child notion practically in the same sentence.
What a truly bizarre collection of ideas that the writer somehow believes creates an understandable narrative.

[Oberon]

They say that Bill Hickok wasn't particularly fast, although he was accurate. I'm told that what made Hickok deadly was that he decided before anyone else did that he was going to kill somebody.

I think that's a vital advantage in armed confrontations.

[DesertRhino]

They might be right, they might cost more lives than they save. However, my daughter is an individual,, I am an individual,, what is best for the individual is what matters here, not the collective.

[Abathar]

"Anybody pulling a gun must shoot to kill without hesitation. The soldier reasoned that most Rice students simply weren’t prepared to do that; hence, the likeliest outcome was that criminals would end up murdering them with their own guns. Heightened awareness, avoiding lonely places at night and pepper spray or Mace would afford more safety than the illusion of power conveyed by a 9 mm semi-automatic."

I have to say I tend to agree with this statement if young college aged girls are included in this statement.

Many thugs would run away if they saw a young woman pull a gun out, but those that didn't would be the ones who would become incredibly violent in a fight/flight scenario and would kill you if you hesitated for a split second.

Either that or these lawsuit conscious kids just plain missed because they truly didn't believe it when they were told that hitting a moving human at 10 feet in the dark while scared to death is not at all a guaranteed kill like the paper targets at the range are.

[MaxMax]

How do they know how many lives have been saved?
This drivel is as lame as Obama saving jobs.

[downtownconservative]

Eugene Aloysius Lyons (AKA Gene Lyons)is a flame-thrower of the first magnitude. He knows not civility or subdued rhetoric or truth. I quick taking our local newspaper primarily due to the fact that it featured Alo-ishi-us in their OpEd page every Sunday.

I wrote rebuttals (which were always printed), and made phone calls to the editorial staff to replace him with ANYBODY else. But to no avail. So the subscription was cancelled.

Now I’ve got to stomach this flaming-a$$ on FR? Sheeeesh!

[Little Ray]

Not to worry. Gene Lyons is the chief Clinton apologist at the Arkansas Democrat Gazette and a Molly Ivins wannabe.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

As he is known here....Liein’ Gene Lyons.

[SJSAMPLE]

Agreed.
“Be polite, but be prepared to kill everyone you meet.”

Training makes it easier to make those decisions and make them correctly.

Of course, being UNARMED makes all of that moot.

[Sherman Logan]

Anybody pulling a gun must shoot to kill without hesitation. The soldier reasoned that most Rice students simply weren’t prepared to do that

This is correct. If you aren't prepared to shoot to kill, pulling a gun may be worse than not doing so. Guns aren't magic wands.

My dad taught me decades ago I should never point a gun at someone unless I intend to kill him. By extrapolation one should not pull a gun unless you intend to kill someone.

A major fallacy of this article is something else he told me, "You seldom need a gun, but when you need one, you really, really need one."

[eclecticEel]

Hollywood is filled with gun grabbers. They don’t understand weapons and make movies featuring all sorts of absurd gunplay that would never work off camera. It’s always a little surreal to see other gun grabbers criticize the unreality of Hollywood’s portrayal.

[bitterohiogunclinger]

“Heightened awareness, avoiding lonely places at night and pepper spray or Mace would afford more safety than the illusion of power conveyed by a 9 mm semi-automatic.”

Heightened awareness is always a good thing. Pepper spray or mace are illusions of self defense, and only in the illogical mind of an anti gun tyrant is the discussion about “illusions of power”.

Liberal solutions to avoiding becoming a victim of violent criminals always boils down to hiding in your room or traveling in a pack like hyenas hoping to be the last one eaten. It's not very comforting when you're in the crocodiles mouth and have no means of escape.

Utter moron.