[Golden Gate]

1. Important Lesson from 1995 Budget / Fed. Govt. Shutdown
2. The Taxpayer's Civil War - Daniel Greenfield
      ...This is not a war between the rich and the poor.
(3.) Other important news...

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1. Important Lesson from 1995 Budget / Fed. Govt. Shutdown - by Richard Kimball - Post #7

I remember an article after the last shutdown. It was one of the best articles I've ever read, and was about the politics of the shut down, from the perspective of a (fairly) young journalist. Among other things, he noted, the Republicans talk to us like it's a board meeting, like we're the enemy or one of their employees. The Democrats are salespeople. They throw us the spin, but in a self-depreciating way. Sometimes, when they say something, they grin a little, because they know it's BS, and they know we know it's BS, but they're always trying to make the sale.

The final line was the most telling, and this one I remember almost verbatim: "At 2 AM, Congress adjourned, no deal in sight. The Republicans went home, and the Democrats went to the fax machines." The Rats won the budget battle after they lost the budget battle because they understood that you have to win the battle for public perception AFTER the fact.


7 posted on Sunday February 20, 08:24:13 GMT-0800 2011 by Richard Kimball

From Feb. - False Alarm? / Budget Passed? - It's Certain: A Government Shutdown Is Coming In Just Two Weeks - #6 - scare mongering. | #11 (date may be after March) || { Feb 27 - Boehner: NO on Shutdown; YES on Entitlement Reform // March 2 = Congress averts shutdown, sends stopgap to Obama ( Senate passes 91 -9) } || Read Post 10 || Business Insider ^ | 02/19/2011 | Joe Weisenthal

2. ...This is not a war between the rich and the poor.

For the most part it is a civil war within the middle class. The American middle class is shrinking and endangered. ...Both the left and the right agree that the middle class is endangered, but they differ on the solution. The left wants more government intervention, the right wants less.

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[Walts Ice Pick]

How will we know that the government is shut down if everyone keeps getting paid?

If the government shuts down because there is no money left and no authority to borrow, then there is no money left. How can anyone be paid anything if there is really no money left?

[LibWhacker]

The Kenyan in Chief remembers from his sophomore history class that this is the single biggest mistake great empires make that ultimately bring them down, and so, naturally, wants to try it out on America.

[Political Junkie Too]

According to draft guidance circulating around the Defense Department...

Agitprop.

"Draft guidance?"

That means it has no force of law.

Some genius in a meeting suggested that they could circulate a memo to the military, call it a "draft" memo just to put the idea out there, and then leak to the press that a "memo" (subliminally draft) was sent to the military stopping pay to the soldiers.

Agitprop...

The plan is to get people riled up about the story now, and then bury the clarification later.

-PJ

[takenoprisoner]

Commie angle now in play. Accept our will to bankrupt America, or we will not pay ‘your’ military personnel.

Go ahead commies. Try it. Just try it. Light the fuse. Set it off. Just remember, careful what you wish for.

[caww]

Politicians pay should stop with a government shutdown...they’d straighten up soon enough then.

[Fledermaus]

Left wing lies.

[tallyhoe]

Not true!

[papasmurf]

I call BS on this. I think the left is taking something way out of proportion and attempting to intimidate the GOP Congress.

Let us all not forget that the Army/Air/Navy...etc. Times papers are a Gannett product.

[Tammy8]

I have no idea if this is a scare tactic or not, but I talked to a soldier a couple of hours ago and he said they were indeed told they would be expected to work without pay if something was not in place by Friday.

[Vendome]

BS.

The Senate, The Congress and Immigrant would receive their checks.

The government was shut down before and the military got their pay but they are now in cahoots with Barry and will authorize the with holding?

I’m gonna go on vacation when they do...

[dixiechick2000]

“draft guidance”

Other posters made this point, but I want to underscore it.

It’s a draft...

[Munz]

I was all in favor of a shutdown if Obama didn’t return the 105 billion to defund Obamacare and agree to the cuts by the congress. But to see the military go without pay is making me rethink that.

Wouldn’t it be possible to just pay the military in a separate bill? I am sure that they can continue to do that.

Will the senate and congress and staffers all get their paychecks if there is a government shut down? I bet that they do

[Happy Rain]

In other words—the enemies of America win or the protectors of America lose.

[rlferny]

This is absolute Bull Poo Poo. I have 2 boys in Afghanistan and one in Germany. I think Obama wants the break the back of the military. That is his next conquest.

[newnhdad]

uhmmmm... no. Military pay is exempt, much to the chagrin of democraps..

[My hearts in London - Everett]

Another way to screw our military people. If you have a mortgage and you miss a payment because of this, it goes on your credit report. If you have a top secret clearance, you could lose your clearance because of this. Many military, like civilians, live paycheck to paycheck. Military who live out in town won’t have $$ for long to even buy gas to get to the base.

[panthermom]

My son and his buddies are having a stroke over this right now.

[Raycpa]

At least they are not planning on shutting down the parks.

[panthermom]

Please call your Congressman and demand an answer regarding this.

I have called mine and Boehner’s office. Someone needs to get in front of this issue and explain it or dispell it if it is a rumor.

My son deploys in the next few weeks, they have enough on their minds!!!!!