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Ron Paul: Less Lonely These Days
Townhall.com ^ | May 11, 2011 | John Stossel

Posted on 05/11/2011 5:19:28 AM PDT by Kaslin

The man who likely has done more than anyone to put the libertarian philosophy of freedom and small government on the political agenda probably will make another run for the presidency: U.S. Rep. Ron Paul.

Paul is always upbeat, but lately he's had more reason to be, as he sees libertarian ideas bubbling up from the grass roots.

"People outside of Washington are waking up," he told me, "and they're getting the attention of a few in Washington."

Paul has been in Congress more than 20 years, and much of that time he's played a lonely role, often being the only representative to cast "no" vote on bills to expand government.

"Twenty years ago, there weren't very many people around that would endorse these views. So ... I'm very pleased with what's happening. There are more now, but the problems are so much greater."

Because bigger government creates built-in resistance to cuts.

"Everybody has their bailiwick they want to protect: 'We know the spending is bad. But don't touch my stuff.'"

The biggest growth is in entitlements. Recently, after constituents yelled at them, Republicans backed off on their reasonable plan to try to make Medicare sustainable.

"This is one of the places where good conservatives and good libertarians have come up short. ... We get a bad rap that we lack compassion. A liberal who wants to take your money and give it to somebody else ... grab(s) the moral high ground."

At the recent Conservative Political Action Conference, Paul floated a novel idea: "Would you consider opting out of the whole system under one condition? You pay 10 percent of your income, but you take care of yourself -- don't ask the government for anything."

The CPAC crowed applauded. But liberals like MSNBC's Chris Matthews mocked him, sneering that anyone who accepted Paul's offer would have no access to federal highways, air safety, food inspection, cancer research or defense.

Paul laughs at Matthews' shallow criticism. Ever the constitutionalist, he'd like to privatize the federal highways someday, but he notes that even now they are largely financed by the gasoline tax -- essentially a user fee. As for air and food safety, he's sure the airlines and food companies have no desire to kill their customers and that careless companies would be disciplined by competition and the tort system. He claims that government stands in the way of a lot of cancer research.

In other words, it's foolish to assume that just because the government doesn't do something, that it wouldn't be done at all.

"(Matthews is) using fear," Paul said. "They all do that ... use fear to intimidate."

A member of my studio audience asked Paul about the coming vote to raise the debt ceiling.

"They're probably going to ... (but) we shouldn't raise it. We should put pressure on them. If you took away the privilege of the Federal Reserve to buy debt, this thing would all come to an end because if you couldn't print the money to pay for the Treasury bills, interest rates would go up and Congress then would be forced (to cut spending)."

But smart people say we need the Fed to keep the economy going.

"The people who benefit from big government spending love the Fed. ... The Fed is very, very detrimental. You cannot have big, runaway government -- you cannot have these deficits -- if you don't have the Fed."

We libertarians say government is too big, but one thing it is supposed to do is provide for the common defense. Paul criticizes conservatives who support an aggressive foreign policy and says much of what is called "defense" is really offense. "I don't want to cut any defense," he said.

He added: "You could cut (the military budget) in half and even (more) later on because there's nobody likely to attack us. Who's going to invade this country?"

Ever the optimist, Paul says, "We have a tremendous opportunity now because most people realize government's failing ... ."

Yet he's a realist: "I think ... our problems are going to get worse ... before we correct them."


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1 posted on 05/11/2011 5:19:29 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

“You could cut (the military budget) in half and even (more) later on because there’s nobody likely to attack us.”

Ron Paul...the Libtard wing of the libertarians.


2 posted on 05/11/2011 5:23:01 AM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: Crim

Yeah, ask him who flew planes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. Go ahead.


3 posted on 05/11/2011 5:26:02 AM PDT by Celerity
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To: Kaslin
[...] much of what is called "defense" is really offense. "I don't want to cut any defense," he said.

Ridiculous. We should be giving American lives and giving away American taxpayer (borrowed) dollars all over the world! What a loon.

4 posted on 05/11/2011 5:29:37 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Crim

You said it


5 posted on 05/11/2011 5:33:59 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

6 posted on 05/11/2011 5:50:55 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Kaslin
Dear Ron,

One thing the American people are not going to wake up to, is the building of a Victory Mosque on, or near ground zero. You can stuff that idea where the sun don't shine.

7 posted on 05/11/2011 5:58:42 AM PDT by gitmogrunt
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To: Gondring
We're going to go broke and part of the reason is military spending, but many here won't touch it. It's just like everyone else who doesn't want their favorite spending to be cut.

Why don't you all realize that Paul has the best shot so far at beating Obama. The polls even say so. If all the FReepers would just get behind him we could win. He won't have the power to do all the stuff he talks about - even he knows that, but it would be a huge step in the right direction for this country.

I know, I know...paultards this and stupid graphics that...

Many FReepers better clue in before it's too late. It's very frustrating to know that many conservatives are so afraid of the boogeyman terrorists, they are willing to let our country go broke.

Most of these folks are the same ones who own lots of guns and ammo and are always talking bout how so and so better not mess with them or they'd use it...so what are they so afraid of again?

Ah, yes...it is homosexuals. As long as we have massive military spending and no homosexuals it is fine if we go broke.

8 posted on 05/11/2011 6:02:20 AM PDT by mommya
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To: Celerity

Yeah, ask him who flew planes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. Go ahead.


Sure. How did our well-funded military prevent that?


9 posted on 05/11/2011 6:05:52 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (...a.k.a. "Norm L. C. Bias")
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To: mommya

Some might be willing to give up our freedoms because Chertoff profits and Schumer and the neocons lobby for more loss of liberty and neutralizing our Bill of Rights...I’m not.

We need a military that defends the USA, not the rest of the world. In that respect I agree with Paul. I also agree that while we get divided on less important stuff we forget about the big stuff like the future of our country.

When we were powerful and fiscally strong I could support agreements to defend other countries. Now that we grossly in debt any country that gets the benefit of our defense should pay for it. I’m for ending all foreign aid, and using it to nation build the USA instead of other countries too.


10 posted on 05/11/2011 6:21:21 AM PDT by apoliticalone (Conservatism is about putting the USA first, not international bankers and corporations)
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To: mommya; little jeremiah; trisham; metmom; DJ MacWoW; BykrBayb
We're going to go broke and part of the reason is military spending, but many here won't touch it. It's just like everyone else who doesn't want their favorite spending to be cut.

Military spending has nothing to do with being a "favorite," it is a simple necessity.

Why don't you all realize that Paul has the best shot so far at beating Obama.

Because it's not true.

The polls even say so.

Actually, they don't.

If all the FReepers would just get behind him we could win.

If FReepers had the power to decide the GOP nomination we would have never been stuck with McCain.

He won't have the power to do all the stuff he talks about - even he knows that, but it would be a huge step in the right direction for this country.

You mean all of the Ron Paul "Revolution" stuff was just fluff meant to get donations from basement-dwelling potheads?

I know, I know...paultards this and stupid graphics that...

It's hard to ignore the obvious.

Many FReepers better clue in before it's too late.

Yeah, yep far too many FReepers are Paultards and I don't think they will be around here for much longer.

It's very frustrating to know that many conservatives are so afraid of the boogeyman terrorists, they are willing to let our country go broke.

First of all, if the Paultards had a clue what conservatives believed they wouldn't support Paul.

Secondly, boogeymen are IMAGINARY (e.g. they don't actually exist), terrorists are very real and very dangerous. Or are you one of those who thinks that 9/11 was an "inside job"?

Most of these folks are the same ones who own lots of guns and ammo and are always talking bout how so and so better not mess with them or they'd use it...so what are they so afraid of again?

Yeah, because guns and ammo are so effective against hijacked 747s and dirty bombs.

Ah, yes...it is homosexuals. As long as we have massive military spending and no homosexuals it is fine if we go broke.

Yep, the Paultards love sodomy and killing babies.

Thanks for demonstrating how dangerous Paul and the Paultards are to America.

11 posted on 05/11/2011 6:36:52 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: mommya
Why don't you all realize that Paul has the best shot so far at beating Obama.

Because he doesn't. He's a liberaltarian not a conservative. There IS a big difference.

12 posted on 05/11/2011 6:42:00 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: wagglebee

So who does poll best against obama then?

I see the purge of Paul supporters is on your mind...very disheartening to think FReepers can’t stand contrary conservative views.

I’ve come to realize FReepers are a fearful bunch.


13 posted on 05/11/2011 6:44:24 AM PDT by mommya
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To: wagglebee; mommya; little jeremiah; metmom; DJ MacWoW; BykrBayb

Well said. I might have responded to mommya, but I was laughing too hard.


14 posted on 05/11/2011 6:44:47 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: mommya

“I’ve come to realize FReepers are a fearful bunch.”

I served in the military, what have you done?
Soldiers get paid a pittance, we go out to protect the rights of those who HATE us and do we complin?
No.
We do it because we can and we want to, it is our duty.
But then YOU come along and complain, then you defame FR with the quote above?
GET OFF FR IF YOU DISLIKE US SO UCH.
Many of us here in forum have served, go back to your stinking troll hole!


15 posted on 05/11/2011 6:48:24 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Sure they are socially liberal, but fiscally conservative.

Right now we’re on the brink of fiscal collapse - so pick which is more important to you.

Collapse or gay marraige?

Going broke or potheads?

No jobs or no nanny state?

Easy.


16 posted on 05/11/2011 6:49:16 AM PDT by mommya
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To: Kaslin

I like Paul. Perhaps he goes overboard on some of his foriegn policy positions but I could live with that easier than the RINOism of most of the current Republican field. I do agree that we need to quit funding Middle Eastern countries and entities, including Israel. Israel can take care of itself.


17 posted on 05/11/2011 6:49:28 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: mommya

“We’re going to go broke and part of the reason is military spending, “

So Obamacare and runaway liberal spending has nothing to do with it?
Orchestrated street theater takedowns of the U.S. economy isn’t an issue?
If you hate the miliotary so much, go somewhere where they don’t have one.


18 posted on 05/11/2011 6:49:53 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: mommya
Sure they are socially liberal, but fiscally conservative.

Which means they are NOT conservatives. You can't be a social liberal and conservative.

And our fiscal problems are not related to ANYTHING that you listed.

19 posted on 05/11/2011 6:53:47 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: mommya; little jeremiah; trisham; metmom; DJ MacWoW; BykrBayb
So who does poll best against obama then?

YOU were the one who said that moRon Paul has the best chance of beating Zero, that makes it YOUR JOB to back it up.

I see the purge of Paul supporters is on your mind...very disheartening to think FReepers can’t stand contrary conservative views.

They aren't "contrary conservative views," they are liberal views with a moderate dose of fiscal conservatism, that's what libertarianism is.

I’ve come to realize FReepers are a fearful bunch.

Are we back on terrorism?

You never did answer about 9/11. Do you think 9/11 was:

A. An act of war committed by terrorists (who you dismiss as "boogeymen").
B. An "inside job."
C. Something else.

20 posted on 05/11/2011 6:54:12 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: trisham

I did respond but I’m sitting here snerking. Good gravy! LOL


21 posted on 05/11/2011 6:54:59 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Allegra
Your humor ping of the day........

Have at 'em!

:-)

22 posted on 05/11/2011 6:58:34 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Darksheare
Thank you for your service.

You should have been paid more.

Hopefully you served our country in a most necessary way.

Are you afraid of the terrorists? Could you protect you and yours?

Do you think every single thing our counrty does militarily is correct and sustainable?

Is that the most important issue in your decision making as far as nominees or candidates?

If it is you are on a losing track and a “war hawk” candidate will lose to Obama.

Paul will allow conservatives to steal his thunder with the anti war crowd...he will take some of Obama’s base on this issue...then we're in.

23 posted on 05/11/2011 6:59:20 AM PDT by mommya
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To: mommya; little jeremiah; trisham; metmom; DJ MacWoW; BykrBayb; Darksheare
Sure they are socially liberal, but fiscally conservative.

No, they are liberals who don't like taxes.

Right now we’re on the brink of fiscal collapse - so pick which is more important to you.

Conservatism is not about picking one thing.

Collapse or gay marraige [sic]?

Please explain how embracing sodomy helps the economy in any way.

Going broke or potheads?

One of the dumbest things I've ever read here.

No jobs or no nanny state?

I would prefer that the abortionists were unemployed.

24 posted on 05/11/2011 7:01:30 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: mommya; little jeremiah; trisham; metmom; DJ MacWoW; BykrBayb; Darksheare
Paul will allow conservatives to steal his thunder with the anti war crowd...he will take some of Obama’s base on this issue...then we're in.

So, you thing moRon Paul is going to get the Code Pink vote?

That's your winning strategy?

Time to put down the bong.

25 posted on 05/11/2011 7:04:59 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: mommya; Darksheare; Jim Robinson
Hopefully you served our country in a most necessary way.

You're a liberal libertarian jerk.

Yes. I pinged JimRob.

One more time: FR's God-given Life & Liberty constitutional conservative activism agenda!!

As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc.

26 posted on 05/11/2011 7:05:59 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: wagglebee

I’m sure you’ve seen the recent news of Paul polling best against Obama...you must be in denial. Saw posts here on FR about it...all ridiculed.
Drudge headline too. Drudge is crazy though.

Fearful describes many things...fearful of ideas or discussion is what I had in mind about your wish for a purge.

9/11 was an act committed by saudis with box cutters.

If we had only spent billions of more dollars on overseas military bases, and had more of our freedoms taken away - I am sure 9/11 would never have happened.


27 posted on 05/11/2011 7:07:48 AM PDT by mommya
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To: Darksheare

Thank you for your service, Darksheare!


28 posted on 05/11/2011 7:09:24 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: mommya

Do you know what being a social liberal and a fiscal conservative really means?

It means you want all the social programs that cost tons of money but you want someone else to be taxed to pay for them. We have cousins in California who are like that and call themselves social liberals and fiscal conservatives. It doesn’t work.

AS far as Ron Paul is concerned, we lived in his district and met him when he ran for his first political office. We didn’t vote for him because we decided he was a nut, nothing has changed, he is STILL a nut.


29 posted on 05/11/2011 7:09:44 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Darksheare

I said part of the reason. I love our military people, it’s just the size and scope of our non-defense operations I would change.

Try again.


30 posted on 05/11/2011 7:10:31 AM PDT by mommya
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To: mommya; little jeremiah; trisham; metmom; DJ MacWoW; BykrBayb; Darksheare; Jim Robinson
I’m sure you’ve seen the recent news of Paul polling best against Obama.

Post the link.

Fearful describes many things...fearful of ideas or discussion is what I had in mind about your wish for a purge.

Free Republic is a CONSERVATIVE forum, there's no reason to allow liberals on here to discuss their views. It has nothing to do with fear.

9/11 was an act committed by saudis with box cutters.

Were they terrorists or "boogeymen"? Do you even understand the difference?

If we had only spent billions of more dollars on overseas military bases, and had more of our freedoms taken away - I am sure 9/11 would never have happened.

So, you are blaming 9/11 on the US military and having bases overseas.

You are a pathetic troll!

31 posted on 05/11/2011 7:11:29 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: mommya; Darksheare
I said part of the reason. I love our military people, it’s just the size and scope of our non-defense operations I would change.

Hitting the muslims in THEIR countries is a good strategy. Social liberals gave away every gain that had been made. Congratulate yourself.

32 posted on 05/11/2011 7:14:02 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: All

Have Your Say Every Day.

Free Republic Runs ONLY On Your Donations.
Make Yours NOW and End the FReepathon!

33 posted on 05/11/2011 7:14:19 AM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: Ditter

Sorry - it means something different to me. I don’t think libertarians want to tax anyone for social programs. I know I don’t.


34 posted on 05/11/2011 7:14:39 AM PDT by mommya
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To: mommya

If libertarians are socially liberal and they are in favor of the liberal programs, who is going to pay for them?


35 posted on 05/11/2011 7:21:31 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: wagglebee

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:eOrv-TSmB18J:www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41+obama+vs+paul&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Ll7_Dx9NqhEJ:politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/05/cnn-poll-still-no-front-runner-in-the-battle-for-the-gop-nomination/+cnn+poll+obama+ron+paul&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com


36 posted on 05/11/2011 7:21:53 AM PDT by mommya
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To: wagglebee

Aren’t libertarians essentially anarchists?


37 posted on 05/11/2011 7:22:08 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: mommya; Ditter; little jeremiah; trisham; metmom; DJ MacWoW; BykrBayb; Darksheare
Sorry - it means something different to me. I don’t think libertarians want to tax anyone for social programs. I know I don’t.

Okay, putting aside the question of who will pay for it (even though history has demonstrated that taxpayers ALWAYS wind up paying for liberal policis), why don't you answer these questions:

1. Do you think homosexual "marriage" should be legalized? YES or NO

2. Do you believe that homosexuals should be allowed to serve in the military? YES or NO

3. Do you believe that abortion is a "right" and should be legal? YES or NO

38 posted on 05/11/2011 7:24:04 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Ditter

I used the wrong term I guess...

I meant that they don’t want to tell others how to live.

They don’t care if you are gay - you get no special rights or treatment because of it.

They don’t care if you are a lazy slob - you get no special rights or treatment because of it.

If you choose to be a lazy slob - libertarians would let you rot. Sound good?


39 posted on 05/11/2011 7:25:11 AM PDT by mommya
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To: mommya
Neither of these polls suggest that Paul has the best chance of winning.
40 posted on 05/11/2011 7:25:47 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: trisham

Maybe some are, but most, like Paul are minarchists.


41 posted on 05/11/2011 7:26:14 AM PDT by mommya
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To: trisham; wagglebee

They got their political slogan from the 60’s. “If it feels good, do it”. It is the typical selfish “Me” attitude of the 60’s.


42 posted on 05/11/2011 7:26:25 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: trisham
Yes.
43 posted on 05/11/2011 7:26:34 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Actually - you are right... Obama has the best chance of winning.

The polls show that (so far) Paul has the best chance at beating Obama.


44 posted on 05/11/2011 7:27:39 AM PDT by mommya
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To: Kaslin
Square this.....I know 3 “hard core” Ron Paul supporters. None of them would I describe as being conservative, either now or at anytime in the past. Unfortunately, RP seems to appeal to the very people I try to avoid.
45 posted on 05/11/2011 7:28:27 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Jared Lee Loughner - Disciple of Michael Moore)
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To: mommya; trisham
Maybe some are, but most, like Paul are minarchists.

Which is nothing more than relabeled anarchy.

Nevertheless, it's not conservatism.

46 posted on 05/11/2011 7:29:48 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: mommya; Ditter; little jeremiah; trisham; metmom; DJ MacWoW; BykrBayb; Darksheare
Actually - you are right... Obama has the best chance of winning.

Which should make the Paultards happy. Zero's policies will ultimately make anarchy easier for them to achieve.

The polls show that (so far) Paul has the best chance at beating Obama.

You haven't shown any such poll.

Do you plan to answer my questions in post #38?

47 posted on 05/11/2011 7:32:28 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minarchism


48 posted on 05/11/2011 7:32:50 AM PDT by mommya
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To: mommya; trisham
As I said, relabeled anarchy, not conservatism.
49 posted on 05/11/2011 7:35:37 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: mommya; DJ MacWoW; wagglebee

50 posted on 05/11/2011 7:38:07 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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