Posted on 05/27/2011 11:44:07 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
My observations from the video leads me to believe this is a really undisciplined crew. A couple of these clowns were really casual until the shooting started, and it didn't really get any better after that. Maybe its because they are typically roughing up women and children, shooting dogs, terrorizing non-violent pot smokers, etc. (or fantasizing about being commandos on the Afghan frontier).
Their actions on the objective may also tell you that they bring that same work ethic to developing intel and making decisions on how to approach problems PRIOR to getting out of the truck. At a minimum this was negligent homicide and I hope the county goes bankrupt over this. Maybe the citizens of that dump will then make some leadership changes.
If this SWAT team, or others like it, ever encounter determined resistance, it will turn out very differently. Very sad.
No need to argue their case for them. I’m just accepting what Sheriff dingbat had to say on the matter. He’s got a loud siren and flashing lights.
Before everyone presumes that the warrant was baseless:
The lawyer that the widow hired is a CRIMINAL DEFENSE lawyer, known for defending organized criminals. Isn’t that strange?
I don’t believe that means that she or her husband are guilty of anything. But I do believe it could mean that she may be aware of some basis for the warrant having been issued, and she wants to keep that down.
Yes, I know. I would not have fired either....
As the old saying goes, "Money do talk."
The lead officer holding the shield fell. At the same time, one of the early rounds detached a piece of structure that hit one of the other officers. From that the conclusion was that the fire was two ways. That misstatement was quickly corrected.
if this was still the old west, this guy’s buds from his outfit, would have already enacted old west justice on those so called LEOs, who are nothing more than murderers.
You’ve really cornered the market on stupid comments on this thread.
How the HE11 did he know what was coming through the door???
She said a number of things in that interview. She also said she saw him carrying the gun as he left the bedroom and wondered where he’d gotten it.
From the wife's statement, who was isolated with 2 police investigators (even before she knows her husband is dead, they told her during the interview) trying to trip her up:
Q: Did he have any guns with him?
A: Well, that's the one I knew he had the small one [a Colt .38 revolver] he got it over at the, what's it called, gun show or something.
Q: OK. A gun show?
A: Yeah that's all I know he had.
Q: OK.
A: And I no where, where he got that big ol' gun [ the rifle] I don't know, the first thing, like the SWAT team drop it, or anything, [or something?] next to him, you know what I mean?
Q: Right
A: And when I see him on the floor I say "Jose, what's going on? What is that gun doing on next to you?"
One of the first things I did was establish that the Indiana court's ruling was not at all consistent with the facts of the case. The second thing I did was establish that the method used by the judge to examine the case IS consistent with current and traditional standards used in Shariah Law.
That last point regarding Shariah is very relevant to this case. The judge was lead counsel for the defense side for the prisoners at GITMO for 8 years. He had more than enough close contact with Moslem radicals to think he may have gone over!
So, punk, I'm after the judge for being an AlQaida adjunct and you think this has something to do with me being a jack booted thug lover?
Let me suggest this one time ~ you attack me on the points I've made on this case with knowledge of what has been posted before by me and others or I will ask that you be removed from FR PERMANANTLY.
Frankly, I don't think you're smart enough to discuss the big letters on my jockstrap ~ even close up eh!
The SWAT attorney claimed it was 45 seconds. He should have consulted his own evidence.
I didn't see any flashing lights, either.
THIS also is news to me:
Everyone’s been writing as if the absence of drugs in the house is somehow proof that the SWAT team had no business going into Guarena’s home.
Turns out that they weren’t looking for drugs. They claim they were investigating ARMED, HOME INVASIONS. Ironic, huh? For now, the warrant is sealed, but that’s something which could easily be verified by any court. What’s more, it’s entirely consistent with what the police DID find: portions of a law enforcement uniform, body armor, weapons. All potentially legal, but exactly the evidence THEY CLAIM they were looking for.
Keep in mind, the person the widow contacted to handle this case is a CRIMINAL DEFENSE lawyer.
Hmm ~ so many questions and so few answers. I think Sheriff dipstick screwed his guys with his blaring siren claim.
I saw a bunch of idiots riding up to a house, listening to the music on the radio. Some moron in a due rag driving. They jump out and perform the worst home invasion on video record. If that is what passes for SWAT level officers, who are the best of the best (snicker), America is screwed. Looked like they were going to a bar. I'll say again, I've seen paintball teams with more discipline.
A criminal defense attorney, and the one the family chose is a good one, would be the best choice to conduct an investigation into this matter for the family at this juncture. Other attorneys most likely will be brought in at a later point to conduct the civil matter.
Mark for later
No, she didn't. She was responding to the police suggestions. The police told her (the lie) that he had opened fire on them. She said "where did you get that gun" was mixed up with her confusion - she said that AFTER he was shot. She immediately clarifies her statement about what she saw when he left the bedroom:
Q: He came out of the room and he had the gun in his hand?
A: No, no when I saw him he was wearing this, his shorts, and I don't know where he got that. [answering how he was found with a gun] I thought, I don't know. I don't know where he got the gun.
She didn't actually see him with the gun until he was shot. The police were lying to her about what happened and trying to trip her up so she would make a confused statement they could say corroborated their cover-up.
Mark for later
“but the court case will hinge on the AR-15”
I agree, but,, the case should be made that the Swat assault was beyond all reason, and should never have taken place. Gross malfeasance!
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