Oklahomans Outraged Over Ersland Conviction

KOCO.com ^ | May 27, 2011 | N/A

[MileHi]

Maybe. If a SWAT team did the same thing, it would be a “good shoot” because “cops deserve to go home at night”.

[khnyny]

I notice you always tend to take “the moral high ground”on these types of threads, and yes, I am be facetious.

[OldNewYork]

“And no, we won’t be able to have a grown up conversation about it.”

That would be a shame. It’s 150 years since the beginning of another sort of solution to an American problem, one other countries also had but solved relatively peacefully. And what have we learned?

[Grunthor]

I agree with that.

[wideawake]

It's all on tape. No one was thrashing and he was the only one armed - he calmly killed an unconscious, unarmed crook in cold blood.

It started out as self-defense and ended as premeditated murder.

[Verginius Rufus]

It was all on tape...the investigators would have figured out how many bullets were fired.

[wideawake]

There are actually many parallels between the two cases. Like the SWAT team in the Guerena case, Ersland fired far more rounds than necessary and endangered anyone in the vicinity - and Ersland made sure that his target was dead before any medical help could arrive. And in both cases, there’s video.

[wideawake]

Ah, thread stalking. Very nice.

[o-n-money]

It started out as self-defense and ended as premeditated murder.

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The events caused him to react. This was not premeditated. Hopefully you will never have this happen to you.

[SkyDancer]

Well I was just saying that after the guy was shot in the head and laying on the floor, what threat did he pose? I think it was a bit over-kill on the part of the pharmacist. Then too, some of his statements to the police and investigators didn’t stand up. Just saying.

[Revolting cat!]

Okie, (no pun intended) Dokie, so, if the pharmacist hadn’t emptied the magazine, and the Frenchman Antwun had died anyway, the pharmacist would have gotten off?

[A Strict Constructionist]

Thanks for ignoring my grammar.

[TigersEye]

It's all on tape. No one was thrashing ...

False. There is nothing on tape that shows whether Antwun was conscious or unconscious or whether he was moving or not.

[wideawake]

This was definitely premeditated. After he put the crook down, he went outside and emptied his weapon into the air. Then he went back inside, past the unconscious crook, went looking for another weapon, found it, walked back over to the unconscious crook and shot an unarmed, unconscious man five times when he thought no one was looking.

Then he lied about what he did.

[Revolting cat!]

Nothing that happens in trying circumstances can be described as “premedidated”. Did he plan it days, weeks, hours ahead? Did he plan it?

[MileHi]

And what have we learned?

I think we learned that Al Sharpton, Shiela Jacson Lee and the Black Caucus won't let us move on because ther is too much money in poverty pimping. 0b0z0 has made a living off of that. Sorry, you were foolishly trying to be reasonable. FReegards

[wideawake]

Premeditation requires that someone stop, to decide whether or not they are going to commit a crime and then to go ahead and commit it.

The law does not provide for any free time outs.

He obviously planned it - he looked at the crook, he went back, walked behind the counter,, retrieved another weapon and then walked back over and fired five rounds into the guy.

[MileHi]

It started out as self-defense and ended as premeditated murder.

I thought it started as an attempted armed robbery and ended as an attempted armed robbery.

[Revolting cat!]

“The law is a ass”. The law now says, go ahead rob those drugstores, the pharmacists have been intimidated now!

[wideawake]

If he was conscious and thrashing, he elicited no reaction in Ersland's body language or pace, and he confined all the thrashing to a very restricted area.

Ersland's demeanor as he finished him off was nonchalant, not the body language of a man dealing with someone who was harassing or resisting.

Ersland was not exactly following the old eightfold path on that one.