Can't be a Conservative if he endorsed Rudy Giuliani.
Posted on 06/25/2011 12:11:49 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
In the 1850s, on the steps of the Waco courthouse, Wallace Jefferson’s great-great-great-grandfather was sold. Today, Jefferson is chief justice of Texas’s Supreme Court. The governor who nominated him also nominated the state’s first Latina justice. Rick Perry, 61, the longest-serving governor in Texas history and, in his 11th year, currently the nation’s senior governor, says these nominations are two of his proudest accomplishments.
French cuffs and cowboy boots are, like sauerkraut ice cream, an eclectic combination, but Perry, who wears both, is a potentially potent candidate for the Republican presidential nomination because his political creed is uneclectic, matching that of the Republican nominating electorate. He was a “10th Amendment conservative” (“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people”) before the Tea Party appeared. And before Barack Obama’s statism — especially Obamacare’s individual mandate — catalyzed concern for the American project of limited government.
Social issues, especially abortion, are gateways to the Republican nominating electorate: In today’s climate of economic fear, a candidate’s positions on social issues will not be decisive with his electorate — but they can be disqualifying. Perry — an evangelical Christian, like most Republican participants in Iowa’s caucuses and the South Carolina primary — emphatically qualifies.
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The Republican contest probably will become a binary choice — Romney and the Not Romney candidate. If Perry becomes the latter, he will do so by his visceral appeal to social conservatives, and by trumping Romney’s economic expertise with “Texas exceptionalism”:.....
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
Well Mr Perry, show us that Texan exceptionalism and put the pressure on the Republican Majority Leader in your State to pass the bill that will stop the TSA from molesting our wives and pre-teen daughters!
Perry is the anti Romney...and he also knows global warming is a myth,
Can't be a Conservative if he endorsed Rudy Giuliani.
We all make mistakes and hopefully we learn from them. Compared to Romney, Guiliani IS a Conservative.
Given Perry’s fondness for FORCED-Gardasil and OPEN-borders
it is no wonder RINO George Will likes him.
Even though the article is written by Will, Perry should demand a retraction. Nothing from the WAPO.
That bill is going nowhere it is unconstitutional because of the violation of the “Sumpremacy Clause”. The only decent reason for supporting this Dead Letter is to whip up support among those who do not accept this. With perhaps millions of illegals on the loose resources should not be wasted bringing up charges against TSA personnel with virtually no chance of conviction.
Perry has lots of important and constitutional stuff to spend his time on including campaigning if he has any intention of running. I suspect he is going to run and would improve the field greatly should he do so.
I wouldn't think that would be too difficult to do considering MA ranks near the bottom in the United States rankings of the states.
Freepers, don’t you think it more sensible to trust what the Conservative icons have to say about Perry?
> Sarah Palin threw her endorsement to Rick Perry for governor- and so did Nugent.
Sarah just restated the other day she likes Perry
>Rush said that Perry is his dream candidate. http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/rush-limbaugh-on-the-record-3/
Don’t you think it more sensible to trust what numerous politicians and scholars have said about Rick Perry than some haters on FR?
>VISIT THIS SITE
Read the official statements released by dozens of Perry’s fellow politicians and scholars (both Democrats and Republicans) have had to say about Rick Perry: http://www.politico.com/arena/archive/rick-perry-for-president-in-2012.html
All (including Democrat opponents) have called him a staunch Conservative, and not one of the dozens issuing opinions has mentioned the vaccine or TTC.
Apparently they don’t consider these things an issue.
They DID mention Perry threatening to secede from the unionas a strike against him. He did not issue such a threat- but I wouldn’t blame him if he did.
GO SARAH!
All of this means NOTHING if Perry lets big Texas business kill the Sanctuary Cities Bill.
Now THAT is funny.
You claim Perry is not a RINO based upon
information at Politico. Hmmmm. Hmmmm. Hmmmmm.
That cements it for me.
trumandogz, I have a question for you,
Sarah Palin endorsed Perry, calling him a true conservative, while knowing he had endorsed Giuliani.
By your standards does this mean Sarah can't be a conservative?
You forgot /sarcasm.
Actually not.
Information was cited that was words from the mouths of conservatives who support Rick Perry
It was not words from the mouths of Politico.
But then, you knew that.
Oh please. That’s complete and total poppycock.
Ricardo Perry reneged on his promise to build a border fence and has come out for amnesty like Juan McCain and Jorge Bush.
Rick Perry has been instrumental in the development of the Trans-Texas Corridor - often argued to be necessary infrastructure for regional government under the Council on Foreign Relations’ plans for a North American Community and the Security & Prosperity Partnership of North America.
Perry is in bed with the Bilderbergers, big time.
He backed super-RINO Giuliani the last time around in 2008.
He also signed a bill forcing little girls to be vaccinated with Gardisil.
And this is just off the top of my head, I’m sure if I dug a bit I could find even more on this RINO fraud. After the disasters that were LBJ and GW Bush, we don’t need any more presidents that hail from Tex-ass.
Perry may run like’s on the right, but he governs from the center at best. No more RINOs or “moderates” for me. If no solid verifiable conservative gets the nomination, I’m staying home election day, and I’ll do my damnedest to convince others to do so too. If GOP gives us a Romney, Perry, Pawlenty, Christie, Huntsman, or Gingrich as the nominee, then we as a nation deserve what happens to us when the Kenyan usurper gets re-elected.
Conservative fellar named Perry -- Makes one wonder what some people see in him, doesn't it?
"Rick Perry is true to conservative principles even when others think the party
needs to go a different direction. I like that about him: he doesn't care which
way the wind blows, he acts on his beliefs. That's why I am supporting
Governor Rick Perry for re-election", Palin wrote.
Still waiting to hear from the Perry haters what we should make of Sarah’s wholehearted endorsement and support of Perry as a true conservative.
That's no more accurate than saying Perry made Guardasil mandatory. At no time did he do that, although the accusation has been repeated so many times that there are inevitably some people who actually believe it.
I've seen that word mandatory used by both supporters and non-supporters of Rick Perry.
I've always thought mandatory properly defined meant obligatory; compulsory: permitting no option. It seems to me that the word has been misused in it's application to what happened with Guardasil.
Perry's unilateral executive order was boneheaded, although arguably well-intentioned. He probably wishes he'd never heard of Guardasil. At the time, parents had a full 18 months to decide what they wanted to do. The order was issued February 2007, and parents had until September 2008 to either comply or opt out. The option to refuse vaccinations under a state law approved and signed by Perry is a loophole large enough to drive a Mack truck through. Only the most incompetent of parents would have been unable to act in the 18 month time frame, and I would certainly fear for any child stuck in such a home.
"Perry's order directs the Health and Human Services Commission to adopt rules for the requirement, which is effective in September 2008.
Parents would be allowed to opt their daughters out for medical, philosophical, religious or moral reasons, as they can do now for other required vaccines.
A 3-year-old state law broadened parents' ability to refuse vaccinations." Read more: Perry orders cancer vaccine for young girls
Mitt Romney, the Republican front-runner, might be easier to elect than to nominate. The reverse might be true of Perry.George Will shows his abysmal stupidity with this remark.
He really thinks Magic Panties has a chance against the DemoMedia Attack Machine? What a fool.
"Forced Gardasil" isn't true, even if it's in all-caps. There was an opt-out provision for anyone who wanted out.
Then you need to stay at home with that attitude
Were you fooled by Trump also? Perry is bought and paid for and is not going to save you.
The “Supremacy Clause” says:
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.
TSA patdowns/nude scanners are not a law made pursuant to the Constitution, so the Supremacy Clause does not apply in this case. That doesn’t mean the Federal government with the aiding of the Federal judiciary won’t try to declare Texas’s proposed statute unconstitutional, but unless the Constitution was a willful surrender to the whim of Federal bureaucrats, that doesn’t even pass the laugh test.
I, among many Texans, know Perry is imperfect.
We also know that all, all without exception, are imperfect.
Those who infect these threads with their venomous fear and loathing of a particular imperfect candidate obviously have an ax to grind, either against that one or for a different imperfect one, or both.
People will tell you that Perry is not a statesman but a typical politician. I will tell you that he is a politician but not in the worst sense of that word, but in the traditionally acceptable sense of that word. As to whether he can rise to a level of statesmanship, that remains to be seen. Often times, the times make the man (or woman). And these are terribly bad times for America.
We must defeat Obama and hold the House and take the Senate.
Let me repeat: we must defeat Obama and hold the House and take the Senate.
I am interested in the most conservative leader - and they must have strong leadership qualities - who has at the same time the ability to defeat Obama and the Democrats and the Media.
That leader might be Rick Perry. Right now, I don’t know who else meets those criteria as well as potentially he does, who at the same time is either announced or on the cusp of it.
Despite his imperfections, the fact that Perry is a politician has its good side. The fact is, he has Tea Party credentials. The Tea Party is not monolithic, so some Tea Partiers love Perry and some hate him. I suspect some haven’t made up their minds yet, and are willing to give him a chance. The politician in Perry will absolutely have to pay attention to the Tea Party. Only the stupid believe that Perry is trying to get in so he can reprise the radical leftism of algore.
Over and over, they say since he once was a Democrat and once supported algore, he’s toast.
It’s like time stopped for them way back when. No, actually time moved on 25 years and situations changed and evolved. Just as it did with the great Ronaldus Magnus. Not only did algore change into a radical leftist when long ago he was not one, but Rick Perry finally let go of his family’s historical Texas Democrat roots and switched parties.
Was he perfect after that? Nope. Neither was Reagan after he switched.
But against Obama and the Dems of today, if it comes down to it, I would pull that lever for Rick Perry.
Or else, goodby America.
Perry has a few good points, and quite a few bad points. But in terms of the credence I give to the byline, George Will outed himself as an elitist, beltway scum, and I’m still hoping an errant baseball will find its way to his forehead.
ROFLOL!!!!!!!!
And Perry was endorsed by Palin.
Sort that one out.
patriot08 made a GREAT post, about true patriots like Rush and Palin praising Perry.
we ALL need to agree, that NO candidate will be perfect!
i am VERY concerned about illegal immigration. it’s a BIG issue to me. but, Perry is still a million times better than Romney!
but i am tired of everyone making their favorite, “walk on water”, and REFUSING to admit they are human, and make mistakes.
We NEED to secure the Border. i hope Perry understand this.
and, spending TAX PAYER money, on Gardasil, was WRONG.
i can still vote for Perry, but he and his supporters need to understand this.
(and, the “opt out” was NOT permanent. it had to be notarized and repeated every 2 years. NOT a good faith option, for parents who weren’t worried about their teens being sexually active, which is the ONLY dubious reason for this vaccine, which possibly killed more girls than it “allegedly” saved !)
Gardasil was a huge mistake!!!
http://truthaboutgardasil.org/about-2/
to require MULTIPLE injections, at a HUGE HUGE cost.
I studied this issue years ago, look before i ever heard of Perry.
this doctor, was one of the DEVELOPERS of Gardasil:
“...Dr.Diane Harper, lead researcher in the development of two human papilloma virus (HPV) vaccines and director of the Gynecologic Cancer Prevention Research Group”
HERSELF came out against Gardasil.
Even many LIBERALS now admit Gardasil was a very bad idea.
here is just one TINY example (of MANY) from CBS:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/19/cbsnews_investigates/main5253431.shtml
and here:
“At a cost of $360 dollars for the full 3-shot course of vaccine, that comes to about $900,000,000 to prevent one death.”
(and side effects killed more girls in USA and Britain, than that!)
“Gardasil is intended to protect againist FOUR types of HPV. But there are over 120 different strains of HPV.”
http://truthaboutgardasil.org/about-2/
Gardrasil offers NO benefit for a girl unless she is sexually active. (and those are minimal.)
It offers very REAL dangers and side-effects, for ALL girls who take it.
i respectfully suggest, that Perry supporters, simply admit this is one flaw on an otherwise fine conservative candidate.
Thank you for one of the most thoughtful posts I’ve read on FR in a long time.
Another Texan by way of GA (wish Zell Miller would have followed suit) Phil Gramm, was a democrat who joined the Republican Party.
Smart people don’t turn good people away or insult them for their past associations (we’re not talking Chicago here folks).
Yes Palin endorsed McCain. He was worthless. Her endorsements are not always good.
“Let me repeat: we must defeat Obama and hold the House and take the Senate.”
And let me say if for a third time: we must defeat Obama and hold the House and take the Senate.
Sarah did not endorse Rudy.
Rick did endorse Rudy.
And Rick ran Gore’s 1988 presidential campaign in Texas.
I doubt Sarah worked for Gore.
Millions of illegal aliens wandering around Texas agree!
BLASPHEMY!
The thing that really burned me on Perry (speaking as a long-time Texan) is that during the election before last, when the problem with the illegals became a front-burner issue, Perry made a big production out of putting video-cameras on the border, talking and acting all tough on the issue. Just a few days after he won his re-election, the cameras were quietly turned off, and never mentioned again.
I’d pretty much vowed never to vote for him again, but when Kay Bailey was being pushed by Bush/Rove in the primaries, I admittedly found Perry a preferable option. But that incident with the border cameras still grates me. He has some good points, but damn, I just can’t trust him.
No, but she did request a meeting with Trump, who is threatening a 3rd party run, and trashing Paul Ryan non-stop. Guilt by association is really a silly political game.
So Sarah says Perry is a true conservative but you say he is not.
You’d be better off just saying you don’t like Perry, since that’s what it really boils down to, right?
Suddenly, he's a conservative, our choice...The insiders told ya so!
Never mind supported a Mexican mile wide Highway from Mexico straight up through Texas, to be run by a foreign Spanish company, came out against Arizona's common sense immigration laws, flew in at tax payers expense for the grand opening of a Islamic Muslim Center in Plano...
The insiders have decided!
Which candidate do each of you support?
There’s nothing to admit.
The day Perry did the Guardasil thing I said to myself, oops, don’t think he thought that one all the way through.
But at no time did I ascribe to him the horrible motives that others have tried to ascribe.
I think he meant well, because he thought it would prevent a horrible epidemic which he was just beginning to realize was happening in our society.
But that’s not how he’s described, as well meaning but making a flawed judgement.
Oh no, he’s the statist devil himself.
Now, those are the people I would like to see admit something.
Yeah, and not to mention the ones who want us to believe that Rick Perry needed campaign money so very badly that he did this to the young girls of Texas in return for a few thou from Merck.
But being anonymous accuser means never having to say you’re sorry...
“......Compared to Romney, Guiliani IS a Conservative.....”
Yeah, I always get amused how some Freepers think they are making some deep thinking analysis by bringing up endorsements from the past. All kinds of things can lead to an endorsement among politicians, purity of agreement NOT being one of them.
Besides, Rudy promised to appoint judges far more conservative than he lived personally and was very conservative on terror and regulations anyway . Not endorsing him here, just bringing up some points.
In so far as Romney's already in the race and is the one to beat, Giuliani would have to run to his right.
Last time, though, Romney got a lot of conservative support from people who saw Giuliani as too liberal.
See Ann Coulter's 2008 column, The Elephant in the Room.
>> Guilt by association is really a silly political game. <<
Yep, but it’s the only way some folks on the internet can analyze folks sadly. Very silly, very misleading, very conducive to a lack of proper context.
If you read my post, you had to realize that I thought Perry’s Guardasil crusade was a boneheaded move, but at the time well-intentioned. My gripe is the false accusations that are so freely thrown about claiming that Perry was forcing the shots on girls and their parents. That was never true.
You do realize that the shots are still part of the immunization program in Texas?
http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/immunize/public.shtm
I appreciate being pinged to your post, you’ve made some good points. Given the current field of Republican candidates, I would welcome Perry’s entry into the race.
Giuliani would probably have been a better candidate than McCain and he may have actually tried to win.
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