Posted on 07/12/2011 9:39:04 PM PDT by opentalk
High-level engineer demonstrates how Nordyke birth certificates used.
A prominent software engineer claims the Obama birth certificate released by the White House was forged by using as templates the birth certificates of twins born in Hawaii one day after the president.
The engineer, a high-level programmer for a state government, spoke on condition of anonymity...
.... He believes forgers used the registration numbers of the birth certificates belonging to Gretchen and Susan Nordyke, 10637 and 10638, to create the Obama birth certificate number, 10641.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
They're people who believe something crazy, and may or may not be crazy in other parts of their life. Some people claim (with a straight face) that Obama's mother had a secret one-night stand with a national civil rights leader who lived several thousand miles away. That's pretty crazy.
As far as intelligence goes, it's not like you find many astrophysicists who say the moon landing was faked. Then again, Birthers can't seem to find any Constitutional professors who are willing to vouch for their claims about the President needing two citizen parents. But I'm sure that's because of some kind of conspiracy of silence, because the Birthers' conspiracy is real, you know.
“the underlying layer of the security paper that was not a part of the original scan. They introduced that green “security” paper into the document.”
Yes it was, and no they didn’t. Not unless they went through the green layer and erased the green around all the words. Which is a really silly way to forge a document.
“As you adjust the first layer to be more translucent, the bottom layer that is the security pattern mated to the PDF document will then distort the upper layer , randomly...
You can’t modify the document to prove the boxes are unique. That is creating distortions between layers.”
I didn’t modify anything. I just blew it up really big. I’d planned to make an animated gif alternating between the two, hence the opacity comment, but I didn’t go with that.
“Trust me , we landed on the moon.”
Absolutely. But there are still a lot of people who refuse to believe historical events from decades ago. Instead, they fall back on government conspiracies, faked images, massive-coverups, etc.
And then there are the folks who don’t believe we landed on the moon.
There was no subpoena to the HDH involved in that case that I am aware of.
The verdict of the case, IIRC, was that Martin was out of luck.
I’ll have to take your word for it. I don’t have the time at the moment to do any research.
I can only offer my hazy recollection. Do not take my word on this.
I can only offer my hazy recollection. Do not take my word on this.
It’s the same with my word.
Internet powerhouse Andy Martin was so 3 years ago!
“If we followed the law, obama would have never been elected president. That darn Constitution thing. Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii, let alone the United States. Obama was born in Kenya. And he can’t prove otherwise. That makes him Constitutionally ineligible to be president. As such, Obama is now the United States first unconstitutional president.”
Somebody should tell Congress and the Supreme Court. Those 544 folks didn’t get the memo.
“The state of Hawaii has said that he was born there. That’s good enough for me.”—Rep. John Boehner (R-OH).
House of Representatives Resolution 593, 111th Congress:
“The 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. Passed on a vote of 378-0.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=hr111-593
“The state of Hawaii has said that he was born there. That’s good enough for me.”—Rep. John Boehner (R-OH).
Hmmm.... Create a Constitutional crisis for our country during the worst depression we've faced or let unconstitutional president obama serve his term. And then have the TEA Party attack the fake BC next election cycle.
It's no wonder Boehner said what he said. But he knows, at does every logical thinking American, that obama was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. It's really quite simple if just think about it.
Hmmm.... Create a Constitutional crisis for our country during the worst depression we’ve faced or let unconstitutional president obama serve his term. And then have the TEA Party attack the fake BC next election cycle.
It’s no wonder Boehner said what he said. But he knows, at does every logical thinking American, that obama was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. It’s really quite simple if just think about it.
I think there’s a better explanation (and we all know just how valuable Zero has been to resolving the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression).
There are a whole lot of lawyers in Congress and every member of the Supreme Court is a former lawyer.
They understand the Federal Rules of Evidence, particularly Rule 902 which says that a birth certificate is a “self-authenticating document.” They also understand Article 4, Section 1 of the United States Constitution, the “full faith and credit” clause.
In brief, whatever the state of Hawaii says is a valid birth certificate from that state will be accepted as valid in every other state and by the federal government as long as the birth certificate contains the state Seal and a statement of authenticity by the state’s authorizing official.
Obama’s Hawaii birth certificate has the state Seal and the stamp and signature of the Registrar of Vital Statistics on it.
“I certify this is a true copy or abstract of the record on file at the Hawaii State Department of Health” signed Alvin T. Onaka, Ph.D., State Registrar
Until somebody produces a valid document from another location, be in Kenya, Indonesia, Canada or Mars, the Hawaii document stands in the minds of lawyers.
We are already in the election cycle and the Tea Party has been mum on Obama’s eligibility.
For example, Governor Sarah Palin:
“Do you question his faith and citizenship?”
Governor Palin: “I don’t, and those are distractions. What we’re concerned about is the economy. And we’re concerned about the policies coming out of his administration and what he believes in terms of big government or private sector. So, no, the faith, the birth certificate, others can engage in that kind of conversation. It’s distracting. It gets annoying and let’s just stick with what really matters.”
—2/16/11
Who is MythBusters? Who stands behind it? The Vatican? The UN? The Kremlin?
My cousin has outtakes on 35mm film of the “moon landing”, which I have seen myself on his editing table.
It all depends on who is putting who on, doesn't it?!
You're wrong. It would need a raised state seal to be valid. There is not a raised state seal on obama's fabricated birth certificate.
“I certify this is a true copy or abstract of the record on file at the Hawaii State Department of Health” signed Alvin T. Onaka, Ph.D., State Registrar
The "or abstract" is the key to the fraud.
Quoting Palin isn't going to help your cause. Again, why lead the country into a Constitutional crisis? And it's much to early in the election cycle. November is more than a year away still.
Until somebody produces a valid document from another location, be in Kenya, Indonesia, Canada or Mars, the Hawaii document stands in the minds of lawyers.
Perhaps, but it's not the truth. The truth is that obama was born in Kenya.
That's nice dear. Now finish your milk, brush your teeth and go to bed.
“Yes. The “Fourth Estate” is nothing but a “Fifth Column.”
This. This, this, this.
Holy Mother Spatula, THIS!
Some how, some way, your software is introducing a distortion to the image of the two boxes in illustrator.
Open the document in PDF and view the same two boxes at maximum magnification. It shows no difference. And this magnification is greater than the one you have from illustrator.
Illustrator is probably the problem. The green security layer is probably getting shifted on the screen into the boxes.
These boxes are verbatim copies, no question about it.
Certificate is definitely a fraud.
When we Look at Abercromby's activity prior to this document being published, it becomes obvious what has happened. He didn't send a person to find Obamas document. They were there to set this composite up and put it in place.
I would also bet than any original documents were removed so that they could be burned.
No one will ever see the original for this PDF, because it never existed.
How did you get the "pixelation" edge effects on your photos? When I expand the Obama BC with Adobe Reader to 6400%, I get only sharp, clear edges.....none of the "fuzzy edges" you are showing.
What did you use to make those photos? You have done something wrong, IMHO. Use Adobe Reader, expand, and try posting them again.
Nice try.
I don't believe it is likely anyone falsified anything except for possibly the Grandmother Madelyn Dunham. I find the notion that she could have initiated the paperwork for a born out of state Barack to be put into the Hawaiian Database. She had the means, motive, and opportunity to have done so.
The glaring problem with a "born in Kenya" theory is cost. Barack couldn't pay his own way FROM Kenya to Hawaii, and according to newspaper accounts he struggled to pay just his living expenses. How would (presumably) Barack have paid for TWO round trip tickets to Kenya?
Till the money gets explained in a reasonable fashion, I put no stock in the "born in Kenya" theory whatsoever. It is just a lie Obama repeated to give him exotic allure when he was a nobody trying to become a somebody.
You’re wrong. It would need a raised state seal to be valid. There is not a raised state seal on obama’s fabricated birth certificate.
A raised Seal doesn’t show up in a photocopy or a scan of a pdf. file. However the short form COLB has a raised Seal.
http://factcheck.org/Images/image/birth_certificate_images/birth_certificate_5.jpg
The state Registrar would not have put his athentification stamp on a document that didn’t have a raised Seal and the Hawaii Directors of Health, across two different administrations would not have issued statesments of authentification for a document that didn’t conform to state standards.
If there were legitimate questions about the authenticity of the birth certificate, I’m sure a grand jury investigation would have been convened by now.
“or abstract” is the key to the fraud.”
Hawaii Short forms (Certifications) are abstracts, long forms (Certificates) are copies. Both versions are legal documents of the state of Hawaii.
“Perhaps, but it’s not the truth. The truth is that obama was born in Kenya.”
You’re going to need to prove it to a Court of Law or a Committee of Congress. In the four years since Zero announced that he was running, no one has been able to convince a court or a committee of Congress of your opinion.
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