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Obama Executive Order Cannot Legally Enact Rifle-Reporting Law ^ | 14 July, 2011 | Alan Korwin

Posted on 07/15/2011 4:30:44 AM PDT by marktwain

PHOENIX, AZ --( Effort to Bypass Congress Is Illegitimate, Experts Say Similar Laws Have Required Bills, Open Debate and Recorded Votes. The news Media is Asleep at the Wheel, Reporting Without Questioning. The Firearm Owners Protection Act Bans Such Proposals Altogether and Congress has Already Rejected Reporting for Long Guns.

If this stands up, limits on power fall apart — Is that the true goal of Project Gunrunner?

The effort by the Obama administration to establish new gun law by executive order is not a legal method for enacting law in the United States, according to Alan Korwin, a national expert on gun law and author of nine books on the subject. Other experts agree that such a measure requires an act of Congress, and cannot legitimately be implemented by executive order, as Mr. Obama is attempting to do.

“We already have rapid-reporting requirements for multiple firearm sales, for handguns,” Mr. Korwin notes, “and this required Congress to draft and enact a statute, which became federal law 18 U.S.C. §923(g). It’s not legal to create another similar law for long guns without Congress,” Korwin says.

When that law was changed to allow reporting of multiple handgun sales to local authorities, in addition to federal officials, that also required federal law, which was passed as part of the Brady bill. Congress had an opportunity to include long guns in those reporting requirements, and rejected it. Congress is the only entity with legitimate power to change that, Korwin and other experts say.

According to knowledgeable observers, a firearms bill like this would not make it through Congress, since the House is firmly in pro-gun-rights Republican hands. This may explain Obama’s effort to sidestep Congress and attempt to enact a gun law by decree instead of due process and open transparent deliberation.

“Mr. Obama knows such a bill would have no chance of passage in the current Congress. His attempt to avoid Congress is an affront to all Americans, regardless of where they stand on the gun-rights issue,” said Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America. “Apparently the president is a fan of former Clinton advisor Paul Begala’s approach to government: “Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Kinda cool!”

A president who attempts to pass laws on his own is dangerous to the nation.

“If the administration can get away with this and enact new law without Congress, there is no practical limit on presidential exercise of power, a truly frightening development,” says Philip Van Cleave, a civil-rights activist and president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. “Even attempting to grab such power is a tyrannical act,” Van Cleave says.

No justification or rational is known that would allow such action regarding rifle sales, when the essentially same law for handguns required a bill and proper passage. This goes even one step further than Obama’s federal health care law, which then Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi said we would have to pass to learn what’s in it. That at least used Congress for an appearance of legitimacy, this bypasses Congress completely.

Equal treatment under the law would also be defeated by the move, since the attempt singles out dealers in only four states — California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. One gun dealer, who refused to be identified, pointed out that this will force Mexico’s deadly vicious drug cartels to make their illegal straw purchases in the other 46 states.

Nevada, Utah, Colorado and Oklahoma are the next closest states to the Mexican border, and could conceivably see an uptick in the sales Obama claims he is trying to thwart. Those states would be under no obligation to report multiple sales, though licensed dealers are typically vigilant and report sales that seem suspicious, if for no other reason than to protect their licenses to operate.

“The whole scheme is preposterous,” says Kim Grady, a board member and national coordinator for Second Amendment Sisters. “Federal agents were the ones smuggling guns into Mexico in the first place, to bolster the numbers Mr. Obama, Hillary Clinton and Eric Holder were loudly promoting to build support for more gun control — even after their numbers were exposed as false,” Ms. Grady notes.

“The ATF-managed straw sales sales were repeatedly reported to ATF officials, who ignored the information. Now dealers will be required to do what they were already doing, to the rogue agency that ignored them? This has nothing to do with gun control, and everything to do with control.”

If a new law is needed, Grady said, it’s one to imprison federal agents who cooperate in gun smuggling, not more paperwork for honest and conscientious licensed business people.

According to ATF, the new edict will generate 18,000 reports in a year. It is unknown where the staff and money to handle such a load will come from, or how the information will be used. FOPA specifically bans collecting this information in any sort of federal facility.

According to Charles Heller, the newly appointed executive director of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, “The ultimate aim of all regulations like the one in this executive order, is to make it so difficult for private citizens to own and shoot a gun, that they no longer bother to do so. This is EXACTLY what the Declaration of Independence, whose anniversary we just celebrated, refers to as ‘sending forth agents to eat out our substance.’”

Heller notes that, “In the recent Gunrunner debacle, the Obama administration attempted to pad the statistics of ‘crime guns’ going to Mexico from the U.S. This is a violation of several U.S. laws, committed by law enforcement agents who failed to refuse illegal orders. The solution is simple and straightforward — disarm the agents and decertify the agency as a law enforcement organization. Remove their badges, and give them business cards like any other bureaucrats. Turn them from jack-boots into gumshoes.”

According to published reports, Obama promised action on gun restrictions to long-time anti-rights activist Sarah Brady, saying they would come “under the radar,” after he got things properly positioned. It defies imagination to suggest that Project Gunrunner, and the Fast and Furious smuggling crimes were just fronts that had nothing to do with padding the numbers, gun smuggling, or even building political support for gun control.

“If that was just a smokescreen, all arranged so Mr. Obama could begin enacting gun law by decree instead of through Congress, now that would be one slick pre-planned political stratagem,” said author Korwin, adding, “I can’t believe he’s that clever, but it sure looks like he’s getting that result.”

The NRA has promised a lawsuit to fight the administration’s decree, about the only action short of impeachment that can be taken if a president acts outside the law. That case would be heard in federal courts, which operate under Obama’s Justice Dept. and AG Eric Holder, which have in the past mysteriously dismissed cases they did not like. Voter intimidation by a black panther in Philadelphia, for example, disappeared, even though the club-wielding perp was caught on videotape.


As early as Dec. 17, 2010, the National Shooting Sports Foundation reported that an effort was underway to create rifle-reporting requirements:

“An editorial in today’s Washington Post discussed the recent decision by ATF to require federally licensed firearms retailers along the Southwest border to report multiple sales, or other dispositions, of most semi-automatic rifles. Specifically this would impact semi-automatic rifles that are larger than .22 caliber, capable of accepting a detachable magazine and are purchased by the same individual within five consecutive business days.

“Though the Post supports this ill-advised proposal, it did acknowledge the legitimacy surrounding one of industry’s objections:

“When reports of its plan surfaced, the administration came under immediate attack from the gun rights lobby. The National Shooting Sports Foundation, the firearms industry trade association, argued that the administration lacked the legal authority to demand data on rifles and shotguns. It has a point: While Congress authorized the ATF to collect information on handgun sales, it declined to extend the requirement to long guns. A court is likely to be asked to decide whether demand letters may be used to shake loose this information ?”

NSSF continues to oppose multiple sales reporting of semi-automatic rifles. Such reporting requirements will actually make it more difficult for licensed retailers to help law enforcement as traffickers modify their illegal schemes to circumvent the reporting requirement. Traffickers will go further underground, hiring more people to buy their firearms. This will make it much harder for retailers to identify and report suspicious behavior to law enforcement.

NSSF would also like to remind all members of industry, sportsmen and gun owners to voice their concerns by doing the following:

* Call the Office of Management and Budget, Office of Information and Regulation Affairs, Department of Justice, Desk Officer at (202) 395-6466. * E-mail Barbara A. Terrell, ATF, Firearms Industry Programs Branch at * Call your Senators and Representative: United States Capitol Switchboard: 202-224-3121

The NSSF reports that, “According to ATF, the average age of a firearm recovered in the United States is 11 years old. In Mexico it’s more than 14 years old. This demonstrates that criminals are not using new guns bought from retailers in the states.”

Congress, when it enacted multiple sales reporting for handguns, could have required multiple sales of long guns — it specifically chose not to.

The Washington Post reported on Dec. 17 of last year that, “The plan (to register rifles) by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives revives a proposal that has languished at the Justice Department and in the Obama administration for several months, according to people with knowledge of the proposal… The idea of such a requirement is so controversial to many gun owners that administration officials proceeded cautiously for fear of provoking the National Rifle Association, sources said.”

The paper quoted Ted Novin, a spokesman for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, who noted the timing after the election and said, “This is an ill-considered proposal and one that ATF does not have the legal authority to unilaterally impose.”

The Post also quoted NRA chief lobbyist Chris Cox, “This administration does not have the guts to build a wall (on the border), but they do have the audacity to blame and register gun owners for Mexico’s problems,” Cox said. “NRA supports legitimate efforts to stop criminal activity, but we will not stand idle while our Second Amendment is sacrificed for politics.”

The original idea, says the Post, was to label the operation as an emergency, and have ATF issue a “demand letter” to 8,500 dealers in the four border states requiring the new reports to a centralized federal facility.

When the NRA got wind of the idea back then, it warned its four million members in a “grassroots alert” that the administration might try to go around Congress to get such a plan enacted as an executive order or rule.

“Emergency approval would last six months, after which the requirement would end unless other action were taken, the draft states,” according to the Post. That time is now up and Obama has seen fit to attempt to continue the operation, in defiance of law and with disregard for Congress.

>From the Firearm Owners Protection Act 18 USC §926 Rules and regulations

“The Attorney General may prescribe only such rules and regulations as are necessary to carry out the provisions of this chapter…

(3)… No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act (1986) may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established.”

This is a special report from The Uninvited Ombudsman, Alan Korwin, author of the Page Nine newsmedia watchblog.

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Alan is a real fighter for liberty and the Constitution.
1 posted on 07/15/2011 4:30:51 AM PDT by marktwain
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The Bummer is saying “so sue me.” If he tries this he’ll be sued all right. We’ll see just how actually “authoritarian” the four “liberals” of the USSC are. Congress hasn’t even seen fit to delegate this power to an alphabet agency — yet. The buck will, I mean obviously in figurative manner, blow up on the Bummer’s desk. And still the Bummer’s rear will get more kisses over this than it got pee by that weird gay mentor of his.

2 posted on 07/15/2011 4:42:34 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: marktwain

Zelaya was (constitutionally) ejected from Honduras for just such an act of overreach.

3 posted on 07/15/2011 4:56:55 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: marktwain
Obama Executive Order Cannot Legally Enact Rifle-Reporting Law

Well, that's your problem right there. The concept "legally" doesn't mean anything to this crowd.

4 posted on 07/15/2011 5:05:26 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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5 posted on 07/15/2011 5:09:58 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who wonÂ’t leave.)
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6 posted on 07/15/2011 5:10:36 AM PDT by bcsco
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There's one thing that O'DUmmie needs to get through his thick skull, And that is that as POTUS and head of the executive branch, any EO he issues pertains ONLY TO the executive branches under him and how they are run.

In English - Regulations pertaining to *his* employees, Period. He can tell them when they get a paid day off, when to have a coffee break or what their working hours are and where t buy office supplies. Furthermore an EO cannot effect people NOT working in the executive branch, also known as We The People.

An EO is NOT law, end of story.

The exception is when an EO is then followed up by Congress and passed INTO LAW. Which last I checked first required passage by both houses of Congress.

As such. If I was s deep pockets gun dealer in any of these four states I'd write a nice friendly letter to the ATF, Eric 'My people' Holder at DOJ, with a CC to that fascist Regulation Czar Cass Sunstein, advising them all to:

Go P_ss Up A Rope!
I'll see ya all in court.
I have NO doubt that these BS regs were a brain fart idea of Cass Sunstein.
7 posted on 07/15/2011 5:37:55 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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How is this any different form DOMA and Obama becoming a Supreme Court Justice by saying it is UnConstitutional?

How is it different than making his own amnesty,by telling ICE to leave illegals alone?

The law doesn’t mean a thing to Constitutional Scholar Obama.

I have run out of words that can be filthy enough to use in describing this __________ running our country.

8 posted on 07/15/2011 5:46:06 AM PDT by Venturer
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Zelaya is back in Honduras.
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9 posted on 07/15/2011 5:56:16 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals:
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BTTT Some great comments in the article.

10 posted on 07/15/2011 6:03:18 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: marktwain

We read reports that after the 2010 mid-term “thumping” given to Obama, that the administration intended to govern through executive orders and push the limits of executive power.

There are so many cases now, that it is difficult to keep up. If just one or two are deemed constitutional, it will upset the balance of power in DC.

Of course, Obama campaigned against using executive orders.......

11 posted on 07/15/2011 6:04:52 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: marktwain

We read reports that after the 2010 mid-term “thumping” given to Obama, that the administration intended to govern through executive orders and push the limits of executive power.

There are so many cases now, that it is difficult to keep up. If just one or two are deemed constitutional, it will upset the balance of power in DC.

Of course, Obama campaigned against using executive orders.......

12 posted on 07/15/2011 6:05:13 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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Of course, Obama campaigned against using executive orders.......

I think he campaigned against *other people* using executive orders....

13 posted on 07/15/2011 6:16:22 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Erik Latranyi

It’s an echeloning attack. THey will come up with legislation like this piling up, that we have to deal with (so long the GOP does not grow any), and their motto is to forget it all while pretending they remember minorities.

As the saying goes, first they came for us in the name of gays and ebonics, then they came for the ebony speakers... Gays better read up indeed on the horrors of REAL GAY HISTORY, and it is that of the legacy of Hitler, a gay who went after the gays.

14 posted on 07/15/2011 6:18:00 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: marktwain

An illegal order MUST be ignored. AZ, NM, CA and TX gun shops should ban together and dare the government to sue them collectively. The governors and legislatures of said state MUST nullify such an order.

Abiding by this order is nothing less than the Nazi war criminals standing in Nuremberg claiming that they were just following orders.

15 posted on 07/15/2011 6:20:15 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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16 posted on 07/15/2011 6:33:31 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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“An illegal order MUST be ignored”

I agree 1000%. The civil society is one short step to becoming completly uncivil.

17 posted on 07/15/2011 6:55:41 AM PDT by bbernard
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To: marktwain

Obama believes himself to be above laws. Hell, he is an illegal alien and got elected to POTUS!

18 posted on 07/15/2011 7:32:59 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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Tell you what...It’s not that I dissagree with you, but here’s a test...

And I recommend anyone who cares about this as much as we do to go to your local gun-shop and query the owner to this issue...

I bet that half have not heard about this, and the other half are not willing to lose their business to the Feds because we say they need to disobey an un-Constitutional E.O.

You might find a few that would, but more than likely, if the rubber hits the road they would just close shop, of find some other way around this to make a point somehow...

I don’t believe you’d find many separately owned and operated gun-shops getting together to do anything to file a lawsuit on the government...

What might be interesting is if some did, they’d make more of an impact if they just sued Barack Hussien Obama personally...And not as the POTUS...Since he acted outside the parameters of the E.O. and the Constitution, he (Obama) acted outside the scope of his elected office in abusing those procedures he didn’t utilize correctly in the first place...

I bet if it did go through, there’d be buddies of his (lawyers) pining for the job to be the legal counsel for him...Obama would again be in legal jeopardy if he went and got a government appointed lawyer from the Justice Department...So since he is an elected official, but being sued as a private citizen, he couldn’t legally utilize that pool of lawyers down the street from him...

If this could ever happen, it’d be interesting to watch...

19 posted on 07/15/2011 8:04:04 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: marktwain
“If that was just a smokescreen, all arranged so Mr. Obama could begin enacting gun law by decree instead of through Congress, now that would be one slick pre-planned political stratagem,” said author Korwin, adding, “I can’t believe he’s that clever, but it sure looks like he’s getting that result.”

The problem is that the "Fast and Furious" program wasn't just a smokescreen or political stunt, it got people killed on both sides of the border. This is nothing less than a series of major crimes committed by many people in positions of power and under color of law. The crimes include delivery of military weapons outside of the borders of the United States, which is a major league felony - and which has NO exceptions for government agents engaged in a "sting" operation (whether said operation is legitimate or a smokescreen for something else).

We need a Special Prosecutor.

20 posted on 07/15/2011 8:11:20 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Bibi to Odumbo: Its not going to happen.)
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