Humans distort the timeline in your paintings.
Posted on 07/24/2011 6:54:25 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
I just received an email from World Net Daily advertising some books. Not unusual, as I'm on their list, and they send ads all the time. What is strange though, is the fact that all the books in this ad are religious AND take the oddball "7th-day Sabbath" position--definitely a very minority position among conservative evangelicals, and Christians of all stripes.
The ad also hints at some dark conspiracy amidst conventional Christians, accusing us of not reading the bible carefully.
Some evangelical apologists too categorize Adventism (which started with those who firmly predicted Jesus to come again in the 1840s) itself is at least an eccentric sect, following Old Testament and extra-biblical regulations, if not a cult, not unlike many others that got founded about that time.
Is World Net Daily now officially Adventist?
We weren't 'burdened' by the TEN; either.
I don't care WHAT kind of a contract my NEIGHBOR has entered into with someone; for it in NO way affects ME!
Sure; no problem at all...
...if I KNOW.
Where'd you come up with THIS?
THESE??
It was explained to me that the reason for Sunday worship is that Saturday/Sabbath was considered too holy for even the church leaders/priests to work, so Sunday became the day of worship after a day of rest.I’m not saying this is what happened, but it is an explanation I received once. It sounds plausible to me, but I’m so gullible...
The boys were LEAVING a MONDAY (first day, if you prefer) meeting, and Paul held them until midnight/Tuesday morning with a speech.
Acts 20:7
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
It seems pretty clear to me that the disciples did NOT 'come together to break bread' on the
SECOND day of the week or the
THIRD day of the week or the
FOURTH day of the week or the
FIFTH day of the week or the
SIXTH day of the week or even the
SEVENTH day of the week,
But only on the FIRST day of the week.
WHEN seems to MEAN something. WHAT the disciples were DOING was something that evidently occurred whether Paul was around or not.
The boys were LEAVING a MONDAY (first day, if you prefer) meeting,
When did MONDAY become the FIRST day, anyway?
Not true. The Sabbath was defined (previous to the giving of the Law, btw) by the falling of manna. That day that the manna did not fall, and the double portion stayed preserved from the day before, IS the Sabbath, IS the Seventh day. And it was kept by Judah from that time. If it were not so, then Yeshua would certainly have set us all straight... But He honored the Hebrew Sabbath.
I know, which is my point.
The reason for the commandments is to bring peace, not to save. Christ has already saved, whether man is doing anything to bring about peace or not.
Learn to count to three, and so much more will become apparent. Christ left one sign to those who don't see - the sign of Jonah. Three days and three nights.
Even if one is willing to suppose that a partial day counts as a day, there is no way at all to get three nights out of your scenario.
But if one CAN count to three, one will invariably come to the conclusion that Yeshua's function as High Priest was performed in exquisite detail, according to the Holy Days established by YHWH. And in knowing that, one can no longer deny the Torah.
Two little boys wonder away from home one saturday when a rainstorm broke. They went up to FIVE SDA homes to ask for help and were rebuffed each time till they came to my door. It was a Sabbath and the SDA people would not lift a finger to help these children.It's against their religion to open their door on saturday?
Electricity Comes From Wall Sockets are articles of faithActually, the proposition that "Electricity comes from wall sockets" is NOT an article of faith. That is tested each and every day, by each and every one of us, with daily positive and practical results.
If you're going to talk about an article of faith, you can say "Electricity comes from the power company" as being an untested article of faith... though that is easily put to the test (as I have inadvertently done in my youth) by failing to pay your power bill. You could argue that the ability of the power company people to turn off your electricity still doesn't PROVE that they provide it... but then you would be a pretty hopeless Doubting Thomas, wouldn't you?
A true example of faith with regard to electricity is the whole subject of electrons. Most of us ASSUME that what THEY tell us (that electricity is the flow of electrons, since 1892, H. A. Lorentz) is true... and THAT is an article of faith, since none of us have actually ever seen an electron. In fact, even scientists never saw electrons all during the decades in which they repeated and refined the electron theory... though they have seen them recently and interestingly enough what they have seen fits quite nicely with what they described to us for all those years.
But still, for most of us, your point is absolutely correct: we have FAITH that electricity is the flow of electrons.
Christ fulfilled the law, something that no one else could do. As for your question “does that mean I am now free to kill or steal with no consequence as to my salvation or relation to the Creator of those laws?” The Spirit Himself teaches us to love one another. If you are a believer, why would you want to kill your neighbor or steal from him/her? Do you really need a law to keep you from doing that?Excellent.
Actually I have studied up on the issue. I’m convinced that, since the New Testament period, starting with the Church plants of Paul, the Church amidst (primarily) gentiles, has gathered for worship on Sunday...celebrating the absolute guarantee of the completion of the New Creation in the resurrection of Jesus.I take you at your word that you've studied this issue and I ask this question with a tip of my hat to your authority:
How much confidence can we really have that the number of days between Sunday, July 24, 2011 and some Sunday when Paul was alive is exactly divisible by 7? In other words: how much CONTINUITY can we really expect or believe in between the calendar of Paul's day and the calendar of today?
And if if the answer to these two questions is (as I believe) "who the h*ll knows", then why get all priggish and doctrinaire on the issue of what calendar day of the week is "Sunday" or "Saturday" or the "Sabbath"? It all seems pretty arbitrary and stupid to me, to worry about WHICH day to call the sabbath. If the Jews want Saturday, fine. If the Catholics want Sunday, fine. There is no way in h*ll anyone can convince me that there is the least bit of certainty with regard to how our calendar today lines up with a calendar that existed before the fall of the Roman Empire.
What a non-issue to base a whole church on.
Although I have never given SDA's much thought before, after reading this thread I agree with those who call it a cult.
Ruy, I agree with sueQ. Your paintings are awesome. I also love your photo of “why yardwork doesn’t get done”.
What name does it give for the Sabbath. Does it mention Saturday or Sunday?
He wasn’t clear about the actual day because he doesn’t want us to worship the day itself.
As far as I’m concerned, God was very clear which day.
But you are free to do as you choose.
And worshipping on a set day does not mean you’re worshipping the day itself.
“As far as I’m concerned, God was very clear which day.”
Which should cause you some concern because he never tells you which day. He only tells you to rest on the 7th day. The Seventh Day Adventist belief is based solely on the current practices of the Jews, not Scripture.
Your faith is in the consistency of the Jews from the time of Moses in the Wilderness, not the Scripture.
Of course not. Why would YHWH use names derived from pagan worship thousands of years before they were invented by men? The name of the day given is "the Seventh Day", which is a proper name, not just a count... In Hebrew the days of the week are merely numbered, except for the Sabbath which is Shabbat. Curiously, that day is the day formerly known as the Seventh Day. Go figure. That day is the one we know as Saturday.
Humans distort the timeline in your paintings.
Which can be seen much easier in Spanish:
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