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Perry tells NH no to border fence
Yahoo ^ | 9/3/11 | Steve Peoples - ap

Posted on 09/03/2011 1:35:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry says he opposes a fence along the U.S. border with Mexico.

Speaking to hundreds of New Hampshire voters at a private reception Saturday afternoon, the Texas governor says a fence would be ineffective and take too long to build.

The comments, which produced one angry shout, expose a rift with some conservative voters over Perry's immigration record. Tea party activists in Texas have been particularly upset by his steady opposition to the fence. He also signed a law giving illegal immigrants in-state tuition for Texas universities.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; Politics/Elections
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To: central_va

You’ve got to understand, the anti fence clowns use the strawman argument that a fence wouldn’t be enough. That much is true but no one is saying a fence is the only thing needed.

There needs to be real enforcement and patrol as well. Unfortunately, you’ll find they have plenty of arguments against those measures as well.

The border fence at San Diego (Duncan Hunter’s fence) has been quite effective. Obviously not 100% effective but no fence could be.


201 posted on 09/03/2011 2:55:01 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Diogenesis; NormsRevenge; Cincinatus' Wife
Actually I had not thought Perry was that politically tone deaf, but it could be.

We cannot ever rule out the idea that any given politician simply cannot relate correctly to some issues. The business of foreign invasion may be one of those things that Perry simply can't comprehend ~ just doesn't see it or something.

I'm sure Jeb Bush can't.

He's off the Presidential list as well.

202 posted on 09/03/2011 2:55:29 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: cripplecreek

Don’t want to offend their illegal nannies.


203 posted on 09/03/2011 2:56:42 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Eagle Eye
TSA is already there, as is ICE, the FBI, Postal Inspectors, Treasury agents, etc.

What they are not doing is their job ~ that gets shoved off to the Border Patrol.

204 posted on 09/03/2011 2:56:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: magna carta

If you want America fight for it like a real man.Otherwise we will deport you.

What does your answer mean? I agree with you, at least I think I do. I just don’t think a fence is the right way!


205 posted on 09/03/2011 2:57:10 PM PDT by JayGalt
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To: Polybius

No need for a guest worker anything with 18% effective unemployment.


206 posted on 09/03/2011 2:57:10 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: okie01

Beyond that, I have been to the Israel / Jordan border and guess what, there were many spaces where there was nothing but wide open land between the two countries — no fence.


207 posted on 09/03/2011 2:57:30 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Sheesh. Go away and stay away Newt.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; DoughtyOne; Liz
Oh, looks like Perry flip-flopped- again!

Gov. Rick Perry today issued the following statement regarding Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott’s amicus brief in the U.S. v. State of Arizona case:

“All Americans should support today’s actions by Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott and other state attorneys general in their efforts to uphold the 10th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and the right of states to provide for the public safety and security of their citizens.

“The federal government has failed to secure our borders as drug activity and murder rates soar in many border communities. States are left with no choice. Until the federal government secures the border, I expect more states to legislate in an effort to protect their citizens.

“Regardless of anyone’s feelings on the Arizona law, we must protect the 10th Amendment and right of states to legislate public safety to keep families and communities secure. I join Texas Attorney General Abbott in opposing the Obama Administration’s effort to undermine the right of states to protect their citizens and govern themselves.”

Yet isn't not right for Texas...

208 posted on 09/03/2011 2:59:01 PM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: muawiyah
just doesn't see it or something.

Half the governors staff, gardeners cooks etc. are Mexican. He'd have to be blind.

209 posted on 09/03/2011 2:59:01 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: rintense

That’s not a flip-flop. That’s supporting Arizona’s law, but not thinking it is right for Texas.

I don’t think Texas law is right for Virginia either.


210 posted on 09/03/2011 3:00:50 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: YankeeReb
Remember that some of Rick Perry's biggest contrinutors are homebuilders and in the construction industry, which is why Perry doesn't support e-verify either.

Like Bush43, Perry talks a good game about securing the border, but he's a “compassionate conservative” who supports crony capitalism.

211 posted on 09/03/2011 3:01:19 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: RC one

“The modern Texas economy depends on Mexican laborers the way the old Georgia economy depended on African laborers”

Nice try at whitewashing the past but your ‘African Laborers” are commonly referred to as SLAVES. Are you seriously suggesting that we let the illegal invasion continue cause it’s collary worked so well in the antebellum south??


212 posted on 09/03/2011 3:01:19 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: USNBandit

Agree with all you said.


213 posted on 09/03/2011 3:01:52 PM PDT by Jedidah (I'll vote for an earthworm before I'll vote for Obama. So wiggle on in, Rick Perry.)
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To: rintense
Not a flip flop at all. Actually it is a very principled position.

While he stated that he didn't think Arizona's law was right for Texas, he strongly supports their right to have such a law and is fighting against federal intervention.

That is as it should be.

214 posted on 09/03/2011 3:02:33 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Sheesh. Go away and stay away Newt.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
That's splitting hairs and you know it. Again, he's had 10 years to do something in Texas, and all he's done is poo-poo what other states are doing under the guise 'its not right for Texas'. Meanwhile, the number of illegals is rising as does the burden on the Texas taxpayer.

No sale.

215 posted on 09/03/2011 3:03:38 PM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: bwc2221

You aren’t saying Palin lied about Perry because she didn’t want Hutchinson to win, are you?

I don’t think Palin is a liar. I think she is truthful, and if she says something, she believes it.

You seem to think otherwise. Why?


216 posted on 09/03/2011 3:04:00 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Jedidah
the California border (and Arizona and New Mexico borders, for that matter) don’t have the Big Bend/Rio Grande separating them from Mexico. Completely different situation from Texas.

One - Big Bend has only 118 miles of border and it's not solid mountains.

Two - How the heck is a river a problem? Most of the land beside the river is flat desert or flat grasslands.


217 posted on 09/03/2011 3:04:11 PM PDT by bgill (just getting tagline ready for 6 months after you vote in Perry - Tried to warn you he's a RINO.)
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To: rintense
VOTERS WANT TO KNOW: Is Texas Governor Perry responsible for the savage Zetas expanding their growing drug empire inside the US, from Big D--Dallas? ANSWER: It's a stupid question. Everybody in Texas knows Perry is definitely NOT responsible for what happens in his state, and on his watch. Besides, would any reasonable person want Rick Perry to do something about the Zetas and risk getting beheaded---with all that nice hair? Course not.

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PERRY DID NOT KNOW that the Zetas ‘gulf Cartel, is a former "special forces unit" of the Mexican Army. The Zetas signature savagery is beheadings for those who d-a-r-e try to stop them. The Zetas have been in operation for years and years, and, thanks to all the US dollars they pocketed in Texas (legal and illegal), they have recently been recruiting openly in Mexico.

PERRY DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS In the border city of Reynosa a banner reads, “Former soldiers sought to join armed group; good pay, $500,” “The Zetas operations group wants you, soldier or ex-soldier.”

PERRY DID NOT KNOW that Mexican authorities said the border signs were probably an attempt to "demoralize the soldiers and police," rather than a serious recruiting effort.

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PERRY DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS
A Zeta Narcorepublic?
IBD Editorials ^ | July 27, 2011 | Staff
FR Posted by Kaslin

Mexico's drug cartel, the savage Zetas, have drawn a bead on Guatemala's 2011 presidential election, and former US officials say the cartel is stockpiling arms to do the same to Mexico in its 2012 election. Is there a White House plan? Smuggling military-grade weapons from Fort Worth through El Paso and Columbus, New Mexico, the Mexican cartel known as Los Zetas may be doing so not just to fight other cartels but to disrupt Mexico's 2012 election, according to report quoting former officials in the El Paso Times that ran July 13.

Phil Jordan, a former director of El Paso's DEA Intelligence Center, and Robert "Tosh" Plumlee, a former CIA contract pilot, warned that Mexico's democracy could be in jeopardy as weapons sold through the US Direct Commercial Sales program may end up with Zeta front groups. Last year, $416.5 million in sales went to Mexico through this program. That corresponds to a similar warning from Mexico City on Wednesday. Guatemala's President Alvaro Colom said the Zetas pose a "serious threat" to Guatemala's democracy as it nears its Sept. 11 election.

Could two nations past our southern border go down to the Zetas and become narcostates? Obviously the cartels think so, based on the weapons they're trying to bring in — anti-aircraft missiles, grenade launchers, assault rifles, body armor and night vision goggles. (There has been no serious response from anywhere in the US). Read more at investors.com .......

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PERRY DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS Using deceit and guile, Mexico, and other South and Central American countries, have infiltrated the US political system, from domestic to foreign policy, and even L/E. These govts are sending millions of Reconquista shock troops over the border.....they are "voting blocs" trained to use the American system of govt for their own nefarious purposes, primed to take over the US.

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PERRY DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS
Mexican Cartels Manufacture and Deploy 'Narco Tanks' in Ever-Escalating Drug War

FR posted by Reaganite Republican

What to do when RPG's, AR-15s, and land-mines can't kill your rivals fast enough? When the mass-graves and gory piles of severed heads don't spook 'em like they used to? How about some narco tanks, vato...? In a multi-lateral conflict that keeps getting worse as Mexican drug cartels war over control of lucrative smuggling routes, government forces have captured two jerry-rigged "tanks" in separate incidences: built on American truck chassis and protected by heavy, sloping armor and bulletproof glass, the media in Mexico has been quick to dub them the "Monsters".

Although they more closely resemble a homemade APC, the ungainly vehicles are heavily armed, with rotating gun turrets, rams, myriad gun ports, devices that pour oil or nails on the road... think Mad Max meets James Bond. They are soundproofed and air-conditioned, can carry 12-20 armed men, and are built to withstand up to .50 caliber weaponry or a grenade blast.

While these 'narco tanks' are not tracked vehicles, they cartels have created some pretty formidable contraptions here, whatever you want to call them. To this point, they have not been used against Mexican troops, but only to attack and intimidate rivals... Of course, Mexican and Columbian drug mafias have previously produced homemade, one-use (throw away) submarines to bring cocaine to North American markets, and just last year snapped-up large passenger jets at auction prices only to dump them in the African desert packed with cocaine bound for Europe... so nothing should surprise us coming from these people anymore.

Alas, the human cost has been ghastly: the ongoing drug war in Mexico has already killed five times more people than US fatalities for the whole of the Iraq War... even record busts/confiscations can't seem to put a dent in the perpetual carnage on America's southern border.......

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PERRY DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE ZETAS
All Gov Perry did was (1) suckup to the Mexican govt, (2) insist on open borders, and, (3) entice the drug cartels over the border with lots of tax-subsidized giveaways.

GOOD HAIR BUDDIES----PERRY WITH MEXICO'S PRES VICENTE FOX

At a 2001 "border summit" in which he sucked up to Mexicans-----Perry advanced a “bi-national health insurance” program that would cover both US and Mexican residents along the border....including Zetas. Perry praised a “unified,” trans-national health care program. and was ready, willing and eager to pour US dollars on illegals violating US borders.....including Zetas, and those on the border organizing against the US.

One can only imagine what Perry plans to do should he ever get federal power.

218 posted on 09/03/2011 3:05:07 PM PDT by Liz ( A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: NormsRevenge
The fence worked in California.
219 posted on 09/03/2011 3:06:17 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Winstons Julia

land mines? is that in the river or along the cattle paths. Perhaps in the farm fields?

Maybe at the corner in El Paso? or on the bridge at Pharr?


220 posted on 09/03/2011 3:07:17 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.https://www.rickperry.org)
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