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What teachers really want to tell parents
CNN online ^ | 9/6/11 | Ron Clark

Posted on 09/07/2011 9:00:11 AM PDT by AT7Saluki

... We are educated professionals who work with kids every day and often see your child in a different light than you do. If we give you advice, don't fight it. Take it, and digest it in the same way you would consider advice from a doctor or lawyer. I have become used to some parents who just don't want to hear anything negative about their child, but sometimes if you're willing to take early warning advice to heart, it can help you head off an issue that could become much greater in the future.

Trust us. At times when I tell parents that their child has been a behavior problem, I can almost see the hairs rise on their backs. They are ready to fight and defend their child, and it is exhausting...

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To: Jedidah
why not go volunteer,
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Excuse me! Did you write “volunteer”?

I should VOLUNTEER to help children think and reason GODLESSLY????? Huh?

I should VOLUNTEER to help children be comfortable with accepting socialism and **forced** payment from taxpayer to pay for a service their parents want for tuition-free???

I should VOLUNTEER to help children submit the very hearts and minds to brutal will of the voting mob?

UNBELIEVABLE!!!

( Yeah! I am shouting!) Anyone who cooperates with the above is evil!

21 posted on 09/07/2011 9:20:51 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: AT7Saluki
Large schools create a groupthink that encourages teachers to emotionally band together against parents. In smaller schools that doesn't happen and the children learn more.

Smaller schools parents are more supportive of teachers. School size is the only thing that correlates with kids leaning more - not smaller class size, not more days off, not books used etc... just smaller schools.

So liberals call for larger mega schools and an us vs them mentality. This whine is the product of that thinking.

22 posted on 09/07/2011 9:26:16 AM PDT by GOPJ (126 people were indicted for being terrorists in the last two years. Every one of them was Muslim.)
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To: wintertime

This guy is a private school teacher at a school he founded.

The issue is NOT public vs private school - it is what parents need to do when a teacher comes to them talking about the problems they are having with their child - they need to listen.

What an unreasonable request!/s

A fanatic is someone who won’t change his mind and won’t change the subject. The subject is not private vs public schools.


23 posted on 09/07/2011 9:29:58 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: AT7Saluki

The NEA being what it is, teachers are by now some of the least credible people around


24 posted on 09/07/2011 9:32:42 AM PDT by SMARTY (A claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers.)
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To: wintertime
I'm too busy working to pay for their endless voter referendums to raise their pay:

**Record Number of Minnesota School Districts Need Money **

http://kstp.com/article/stories/s2271504.shtml

A record number of school districts are seeking voter referendums to help with their budgets. Education Minnesota, the state's largest teachers' union, tells 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS that 133 districts - or one-third of all school districts in the state - have some type of voter referendum on their fall ballots.

26 posted on 09/07/2011 9:37:29 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (My mind is like a steel trap: rusty and illegal in 37 states.)
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To: AT7Saluki

This is not a particularly helpful piece. There is more than enough blame to go around. Many but not all teachers are weak, lazy, ill-prepared, do not know or understand their students and contribute mightily to the problems kids have in and with school. Many but not all kids lack self-discipline, are distracted, ill-prepared and drive teachers and parents nuts. Many but not all parents are weak, lazy, ignorant and contribute to the problems their kids have in school.
Parents need to make the time to observe their kids in the classroom. Teachers need to provide parents with regular, systematic feedback on the performance and demeanour of students. Kids need to be asked to and held responsible for the same level of commitment and dedication in class that most HS athletes demonstrate on the athletic field.
As anyone who has run a business knows, ensuring a quality process and quality product requires constant effort.
P.S. My wife was an outstanding public HS foreign language teacher. We have 3 young adult children - 2 were good students and generally liked school, one was a terror and hated school. 2 went to private schools including HS, the terror ended up in public HS. In hindsight, he should have gone to military school.


27 posted on 09/07/2011 9:39:58 AM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: HIDEK6

The government doesn’t run the Cub Scouts, do they?

I’m a Cubmaster of a Pack of 55 boys in a middle class neighborhood. The parents are a freak show, and this teacher is dead nuts on the money.

Most teachers are pretty good, and most know which ones you’d never take advice from, but I get this reaction from parents at the SLIGHTEST indication that they are going to hear something from me that doesn’t meet with ‘perfect’.

Even the ones that are honest with me are sugarcoating their situations by at least 50 percent.

Then there are the parents who let the kid into Cub Scouts to assuage guilt for the drugs, alcohol, or outlaw lifestyle they are leading. Cub Scouting is daycare, church, and concentrated fatherhood sessions.

The last group - the situation is so bad there’s no way they’d let a Cubmaster anywhere near it, nor any other professional for that matter (not that Cubmasters are professionals).

I’m no teacher, but I’ll tell you this - if it weren’t for the public school system there’d be chaos out there. Single parenthood rate in WA state is such that you’d have generations of otherwise bright kids falling through a more massive crack than there is today.

Public school system got gigantic problems - you bet. Put parents at the top of the list of those problems.


29 posted on 09/07/2011 9:46:10 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: allmendream
I feel so sorry for administrators and teachers these days whose hands are completely tied. In many ways, we live in fear of what will happen next. We walk on eggshells in a watered-down education system where teachers lack the courage to be honest and speak their minds. If they make a slight mistake, it can become a major disaster.
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It is evident in the above paragraph ( from the article) that the author is addressing the problems of government school teachers.

Obviously, a **private** school principal, teacher, or board of directors do NOT have their hands completely tied. They can and should make demands on the parents and the children. If they don't they are not a good private school.

Finally...My comments about the godless and socialist-funded government schools stand. That generations of our nations children have learned to think and reason godlessly and be comfortably **entitled** to other people's resources likely is the foundation of the all of the problems of which this author complains. And...Teachers who cooperate with the mob-ruled, socialist-funded, and godless government schools simply, by definition, can not be “good”.

30 posted on 09/07/2011 9:46:19 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: bjc
My former brother in law went to military school.

As a military school near Washington D.C. - many many foreign dignitaries and such sent their younger sons there - thinking it a prestigious academy where American dignitaries might send younger sons (older sons learn to manage the family business, younger sons go to the military).

Little did they know or imagine that a military school in America is basically a “Reform school” for bad kids.

My ex brother in law still has a taste for those wild wild women - learned by growing up with many a ‘reform school girl’.

31 posted on 09/07/2011 9:47:11 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: wintertime

Evident to a fanatic fixated upon a single subject perhaps - to me it seemed equally applicable to either situation.

Private schools have the added ‘hands tied’ of trying to placate a paying customer whose little darling is never wrong and couldn’t possibly be a discipline problem - or otherwise ‘what are we paying you for?’.

A fanatic is someone who will not change his mind and will not change the subject.

The subject is NOT public vs private school - it is the relationship between teacher (of whatever type) and the parent when discussing behavior problems.

But go on proving the validity of my observation, I know you can’t possibly change your mind or change the subject.


34 posted on 09/07/2011 9:51:22 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: AT7Saluki

There is failure on both sides of the aisle.

However, remember that “trust me” is an old slang term for “f&^k you”.

Trust must be earned. The education system has lost much of the credit they once had earned. Teachers, as part of that system, get tarnished as well.


35 posted on 09/07/2011 9:51:54 AM PDT by MortMan (What disease did cured ham used to have?)
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To: AT7Saluki
"Look, if I get an offer to lead a school system of orphans, I will be all over it, but I just can't deal with parents anymore; they are killing us."

I see no need to read any further.

36 posted on 09/07/2011 9:56:31 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (Very generic, non-offensive, tagline.)
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To: wintertime

No, I’m not evil. I’m informed.

Which you are, obviously, not.

They say ignorance is bliss, so be happy.


37 posted on 09/07/2011 10:00:29 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: RinaseaofDs
Most teachers are pretty good, ....if it weren’t for the public school system there’d be chaos out there.
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Generations of citizens warehoused in godless, mob-ruled, and socialist-funded government schools have **caused ** the problems of which you complain.

Parents who are trained to think godless, who feel entitled to the resources of their neighbors, and who are comfortable with mob rule and NOT going to be effective parents.

It is axiomatic. Government school teachers can NOT be “good”.

Good teachers do not cooperate with destroying a child's faith and teaching him to think and reason godless. And...ALL government owned and run schools are godless. The child must think and reason godless just to cooperate in the classroom.

Good teachers do not cooperate with, assist, or uphold in any manner with the teaching of children to be comfortable with socialism. ALL government owned and run schools in this nation are socialist funded. Merely by attending children learn to feel **entitled** to their neighbor's money for a service their parents want for tuition-free.

Finally, good teachers do not help in any way with making children feel comfortable with mob rule control of their very thoughts, beliefs, and values. This is what government schools are. They are mob rule ( misnamed “school board”) over the very thoughts a child is to hold in his head and heart.

And...By the way, my husband is a cub scout master and Webelos leader and I am the Wolf den leader. We have done this job for our church for 3 years now. Three years ago we were asked by the regional leaders of our church to join the Spanish speaking congregation in our county. ( My husband and I are fluent in this language.)

38 posted on 09/07/2011 10:01:02 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: MortMan

“Trust must be earned”.

My kids have had wonderful teachers. Teachers that were fabulous with communication, information and just common sense. That being said, my two oldest kids have had a few bad ones... liberal agenda pushing people. One was bipolar (and not medicated well), one was an alcoholic who showed up to class drunk as a skunk and one was an outspoken “socialist” (she told her class that she was proud to be one) and took a personal disliking to any student who showed any conservative opinions or values. So... “trust is earned” is exactly correct. A parent has to know about the teacher and deal with them for a bit of time before taking their word as absolute truth. Fortunately, that is more of a problem with your first child.. by the time younger children get to school.. you know who is a “good” teacher and who should be “avoided” or ignored. Just a thought.


39 posted on 09/07/2011 10:01:06 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: AT7Saluki
OK, I read further...

We are educated professionals who work with kids every day and often see your child in a different light than you do. If we give you advice, don't fight it. Take it, and digest it in the same way you would consider advice from a doctor or lawyer.

If you want to be treated like an educated professional, quit hiding behind a union.

One of my biggest pet peeves is when I tell a mom something her son did and she turns, looks at him and asks, "Is that true?" Well, of course it's true. I just told you. And please don't ask whether a classmate can confirm what happened or whether another teacher might have been present. It only demeans teachers and weakens the partnership between teacher and parent.

This is satire, right. Tell me it is satire. Go get another job and see if your word stands as an absolute. I'll wait...

40 posted on 09/07/2011 10:01:16 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (Very generic, non-offensive, tagline.)
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