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Bachmann prepping to swing at Perry (Mitt must be onboard)
Politico ^ | September 11, 2011 | By MAGGIE HABERMAN

Posted on 09/11/2011 10:25:33 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Byron York telegraphs the lines of attack Michele Bachmann is planning on using at tomorrow night's Florida debate to chip away at the support Rick Perry has taken from her:

"Bernie Madoff deals with Ponzi schemes, not the grandparents of America," says a Bachmann adviser. "Clearly she feels differently about the value of Social Security than Gov. Perry does. She believes Social Security needs to be saved, that it's an important safety net for Americans who have paid into it all their lives."

York goes on the say Bachmann's camp was unhappy with how few questions she got at last week's Reagan Library debate, and quotes the Bachmann adviser saying she will make clear she disagrees with Perry on Social Security if asked:

"Certainly not," the adviser says. "She strongly disagrees with his position on that, and it's clearly not something that's going to sit well with the people of Florida and Iowa and South Carolina and many of the early states, where there is a large population of seniors who rely heavily on Social Security. For [Perry] to scare them is wrong."


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1 posted on 09/11/2011 10:25:41 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Sept 7, 2011: 4 Minute YouTube VIDEO Clip: Perry Fires At Rove & Romney: Social Security Is A "Ponzi Scheme" And A "Monstrous Lie"

Perry Campaign: Remember When Romney Compared Social Security to a Criminal Enterprise? [quote from Romney's book] " What would happen to the bankers responsible for misusing the money? They would go to jail. But what has happened to the people responsible for the looming bankruptcy of Social Security? They keep returning to Congress every two years.” [end quote]

Sept 10, 2011 Mitt flier: Perry 'wants to kill Social Security' (being distributed in Florida)


2 posted on 09/11/2011 10:26:38 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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“Social Security is a broken ponzi scheme” straight talking worked last election.

The truth worked for SENATOR Marco Rubio! Not so good for Crist.

Senator Marco Rubio talked of Life and of the failing Social Security program and won in Flordia, "Heaven's waiting room."

In Wisconsin (union strong-hold) SENATOR Ron Johnson beat incumbent Russ Feingold by speaking out strongly about the ponzi scheme called social security.

Left: Russ Feingold; Right: Ron Johnson.

TWO improbable (we are told) places to win with a platform that exposes a broken and unsustainable social security program -- but IT HAPPENED!

3 posted on 09/11/2011 10:27:02 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I like Bachmann but frankly, her attacking Perry will not work.


4 posted on 09/11/2011 10:29:16 AM PDT by cranked
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Rubio and Johnson are very articulate. Perry came off like a “bull in the china shop” in the last debate.

Sometimes it isn’t what you say, but how you say it.


5 posted on 09/11/2011 10:29:22 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Bachmann cant be this stupid.
She knows damn well that the numbers dont add up for SS, and she knows damn well that Perry is not trying to make old folks eat catfood.

This will be her last stand.


6 posted on 09/11/2011 10:30:26 AM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Bachmann cant be this stupid.
She knows damn well that the numbers dont add up for SS, and she knows damn well that Perry is not trying to make old folks eat catfood.

This will be her last stand.

Such a shame... I was looking forward to $2 a gal gasoline.


7 posted on 09/11/2011 10:31:23 AM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Any polls since the last debate?


8 posted on 09/11/2011 10:33:00 AM PDT by samtheman (Palin. In your heart you know she's right.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I am much more concerned with Rick Perry, patron saint of open borders and illegal immigration, than anything he said about Social Security.


9 posted on 09/11/2011 10:35:26 AM PDT by bwc2221
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To: mylife

Gotta keep Social Security JUST as it is. You know ... a fund that has been raided. A perfectly broken program. If we don’t keep it like it is, how can we threaten not to send old people their checks when things get rough?


10 posted on 09/11/2011 10:35:47 AM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Rick Perry can't keep me out of Del Boca Vista!"/s


11 posted on 09/11/2011 10:37:01 AM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: mylife

If she does attack Perry using the dishonest line (always used by Democrats) that social security is not a Ponzi Scheme, and that Perry wants to kill it, this dishonesty and cynicism would lose her a lot of conservative support. She might not be elected Representative again, let alone President.


12 posted on 09/11/2011 10:37:06 AM PDT by winner3000 (ss)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Actually, Bachmann did pretty well on questions with 9 just behind Romney and Perry. Newt, Santorum, and Cain actually did worst with 6, 6, and 5 each.


13 posted on 09/11/2011 10:38:42 AM PDT by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: bwc2221

You are uninformed about the situation on the border and you are uninformed on governing Texas.


14 posted on 09/11/2011 10:40:13 AM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: winner3000

I think she has her eye on a Romney VP slot.


15 posted on 09/11/2011 10:41:16 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Most certainly seniors and indeed all workers count on social security. However one does not need an MBA to see that the social security system is fundamentally broken. Those entering the work force today most likely see it as taxation, not as a pension scheme they can count on receiving. The arithmetic is just not set up for it to sustain in the long term.


16 posted on 09/11/2011 10:41:40 AM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: mylife

But Morty was evicted by the HOA.

Perry: "Over regulations! Over litigation! Over taxation!"

17 posted on 09/11/2011 10:41:40 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: winner3000

I agree that it is a dangerous gamble.
She is fully aware that Rick Perry has no intention of gutting SS.
He intends to fix it.


18 posted on 09/11/2011 10:42:19 AM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: indylindy
Sometimes it isn’t what you say, but how you say it.

How Perry said it.

Are we so "delicate" we can't listen to that and cheer?

19 posted on 09/11/2011 10:44:01 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: indylindy

I just think its kind of pathetic that they promote this Bachmann/Romney rumor while keeping quiet about the actual ties between the Perry and Romney team.

Perry’s communications director is married to Romney’s chief Texas fundariaser and then Perry turns around and picks a guy who endorsed Romney in 08 to be his economic advisor.

The RINOS are equally yoked and running together, mark my words.


20 posted on 09/11/2011 10:45:25 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I think Perry was not shooting from the hip so much as making a calculation based on his belief that people may be ready to address this third rail of American politics. It’s a tricky move but he may be betting on a wider tea party climate where people want leadership, not scare tactics. My guess is he will come out on top in this issue. But it’s only a guess.


21 posted on 09/11/2011 10:46:01 AM PDT by toddausauras
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To: samtheman
Any polls since the last debate?

Perry edges Romney in Md. GOP poll; Palin fifth

22 posted on 09/11/2011 10:46:30 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: cranked

I don’t care if she attacks Perry, but if he approach is to perpetuate the Social Security lie by trying to pander to greedy geezers, I’m done with her.


23 posted on 09/11/2011 10:46:38 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

24 posted on 09/11/2011 10:46:46 AM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out consevatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: toddausauras

I’ll take that bet.


25 posted on 09/11/2011 10:47:12 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I am not worried about me. It is the electorate that he has to worry about.

People who don’t pay attention to things as much as we do.

The next day, the media already started on him by declaring he wants to put old folks on the street.

I am sorry, he should work some on his delivery. It was his first debate, maybe he will improve.


26 posted on 09/11/2011 10:47:43 AM PDT by dforest
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To: mylife
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Roll out the Perry propaganda and pass the Kool Aid. Perry is real strong on illegal immigration and border security. He makes Bush43 look like Sheriff Joe.
27 posted on 09/11/2011 10:47:47 AM PDT by bwc2221
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mueT9WcdsDk

2:10 mark starts the SS talk—

Perry: We’re going to change this program and people who are SS today, men and women who are receiving those benefits today are in line to get them, don’t need to worry about anything.

I think republican candidates are talking about ways to transition this program and it is a monstrous lie, it is a pozi scheme to tell our kids that are 25 or 30 years old today that’s paying into this, that you’re paying for a program that’s going to be there, anybody that’s for the status quo with SS today is involved with a monstrous lie to our kids and it’s not right.


28 posted on 09/11/2011 10:48:50 AM PDT by Irenic
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To: cripplecreek
"Well, there's no need to frighten or throw under the bus our esteemed elders who have paid all of their working lives into the Social Security system." She went on to say that she understood what he was saying but it was a poorly worded comment.

-Sarah Palin.

Perry made a major gaffe that won't soon be forgotten by the elderly. He needs to correct it and move on.
29 posted on 09/11/2011 10:50:23 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Maybe Ronmey will hand out some of those neat tip calculaters.

You know, the Willard

30 posted on 09/11/2011 10:50:23 AM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: kalee

MB has been Romneycare’s stalking horse from Day-1.

RomneyCare attacking Perry in FL on the SS issue.

Good to see both (perry/Romney) attacking each other as it makes it easier for Sarah when she enters and both RINOs have been vetted.


31 posted on 09/11/2011 10:50:43 AM PDT by newfreep (I am a "terrorist". I am Sarah Palin!)
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To: cripplecreek
I just think its kind of pathetic that they promote this Bachmann/Romney rumor while keeping quiet about the actual ties between the Perry and Romney team.

Really? How about Mary Matlin and James Carville? You can't get there from here.

32 posted on 09/11/2011 10:52:13 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: cripplecreek

Well, you know, it is all about you know what two. LOL

I asked the other day for some proof about a Bachmann Romney link, but as usual. It never appears.

Everyone is after Michele, even though they have declared her as good as gone. One would think she would be left alone to wither away.

Odd, isn’t it?


33 posted on 09/11/2011 10:52:28 AM PDT by dforest
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To: bwc2221
Rick Perry, patron saint of open borders

Rick Perry has time and time again requested from Washington DC 1000 troops to SECURE (not "open") the border between Mexico and Texas.

Obama = Washington DC (not a state governor)

34 posted on 09/11/2011 10:54:10 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: bwc2221; Cincinatus' Wife
I am much more concerned with Rick Perry, patron saint of open borders and illegal immigration, than anything he said about Social Security.

Perry calls it (SS) what it is. Bachmann is not facing reality on this (SS) issue.

What is Perry's official/actual stance regarding borders and illegal immigration? I keep reading different takes of it here on FR. Just curious what his actual stance is, if anyone has that info.

35 posted on 09/11/2011 10:55:42 AM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: cripplecreek

>> The RINOS are equally yoked and running together, mark my words.

I believe you, and I have to admit I *never* thought I’d see Bachmann pulling hard in that RINO yoke right there beside Romney. Quite a shocker!


36 posted on 09/11/2011 10:55:59 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You know I’m 100% behind Gov. Palin. But if I have to choose another candidate, it won’t be Milt or a House member with no executive experience. Take that for what it’s worth.


37 posted on 09/11/2011 10:56:12 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: indylindy
I am not worried about me. It is the electorate that he has to worry about. People who don’t pay attention to things as much as we do....

Do you think the msm will allow any GOP candidate breathing space and fair reporting when they go up against Obama on social security? No. They won't.

So we need to fight this out now in the primary or it just stays this way and taxes go up. If Perry wins -- he can wipe the floor even cleaner and toss out more Democrats with his coattails.

38 posted on 09/11/2011 10:56:50 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
What I don't get is Perry is getting trashed for calling Social Security a Ponzi scheme, the counter argument to Perry is "millions of people depend on Social Security". with the implication "....so therefore it can't be a Ponzi scheme."

The point is the system can still be a Ponzi scheme even though millions of people depend on it. IMHO that makes it much worse, you have millions depending on a Ponzi scheme.
I have my questions about Perry, but on this issue he's spot on. So what am I missing here?

39 posted on 09/11/2011 10:57:18 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
If this report is accurate, Bachmann will be making a very big mistake. First, Perry said those now receiving SS will not be affected. Secondly, IIRC, Perry did not say he wants to get rid of SS but he's acknowledging the absolute necessity of reforming it if the younger generation is to receive anything.

I really do not think Bachmann is this stupid.

40 posted on 09/11/2011 10:57:39 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma ( You cannot elevate Palin by tearing down Perry)
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To: indylindy; cripplecreek
Perry came off like a “bull in the china shop” in the last debate.

Doesn't even have any horns.........

41 posted on 09/11/2011 10:57:48 AM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: cripplecreek

Maybe Palin is the stalking horse for Romney. I have about as much proof of that as I have been shown for Michele Bachmann being tied to Romney.

None at all.

But, it is okay when she says it. Just not Bachmann. LOL

You best stop posting that. Festering boils will be a’ poppin’.


42 posted on 09/11/2011 10:58:00 AM PDT by dforest
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To: mylife
She is fully aware that Rick Perry has no intention of gutting SS.

Rick Perry had warned that the other side (liberal democrats) would use the scare tactic to try to scare seniors.

I didn't think it would be a republican who would also take that stance. But then again, we have a republican running around the nation calling republicans "crony capitalists" who should have term limits despite the fact that John McCain is on which term now?

43 posted on 09/11/2011 10:58:14 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: mylife
Those familiar with candidate:

Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin, who still have not ruled out entering the race, are also well-liked by Republicans (74% and 69% favorable ratings, respectively), but also do not generate the same degree of strong intense feeling as Perry and Cain. Giuliani's current Positive Intensity Score is 15 and Palin's is 13.

Perry Remains Best-Positioned Candidate

Perry's combination of high name recognition and a high Positive Intensity Score help make him the best-positioned candidate for the Republican nomination at this point, underscored by his lead in Republican nomination preferences. Cain's enthusiastic support is offset by his low name recognition, and other well-known candidates like Romney, Michele Bachmann, and Ron Paul, do not generate the same level of intense feeling as Perry.

Source

Perry has room to grow within his name recognition numbers.


44 posted on 09/11/2011 10:59:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: cripplecreek

Let’s not forget, Bush, Cheney and Obama are related too.


45 posted on 09/11/2011 10:59:45 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If Bachmann does this, she will be the one scaring seniors—not Perry. Not only will she be scaring seniors but she’ll be scaring juniors as well.


46 posted on 09/11/2011 10:59:49 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma ( You cannot elevate Palin by tearing down Perry)
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To: Lakeshark

Must be the remains of Papaw and Mamaw on that floor!


47 posted on 09/11/2011 11:00:00 AM PDT by dforest
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To: indylindy

Perry goes to China?


48 posted on 09/11/2011 11:01:08 AM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: mylife
Bachmann cant be this stupid.
She knows damn well that the numbers dont add up for SS, and
she knows damn well that Perry is not trying to make old folks eat catfood.

This will be her last stand.

I'm afraid you're right. Personally I like Bachmann a lot more than Perry. There's something about him I don't trust, almost like he's too perfect. Kind of like I felt about Huckabee.
My vote is always AB0, but I'd rather see Cain at the top.

49 posted on 09/11/2011 11:01:18 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: Jane Long
We've been dealt a hand here in Texas (and if you've read my threads you know much of this) where we have a federal government that has not answered the call to protect the 1250 border miles Texas shares with Mexico. Gov. Perry does not believe a fence is the answer to illegals crossing the U.S.-Mexican border. He believes conservative ascendancy will. So we do the best with what we have ($100M/yr of our own state money put up to help secure an international border). We have a lot of crime to combat and pay for because of the illegal activity (drugs, human smuggling and trafficking) generated by an unsecured international border.

We can't refuse to educate or give health care, as everyone in every state is faced with the same situation, but since Perry is a border gov, he's held responsible for illegal aliens, where everyone vents their frustration about the problem using him as a whipping boy (and to make political points and take pot shots). Perry's asked for drones (went to Israel and asked how they protect Gaza Strip), has asked for 3000 people here on the TX border (crickets). Perry has set up an elite Texas Ranger unit to work on the border. Then we find out the Feds have been "running guns" across the border and we've had people killed because of that.

The Texas Dream Act was set up because we have a lot of kids here from the way the feds have allowed this to snowball. Students who have been in Texas for 3 years and graduated from a Texas high school get instate tuition (no benefits -- they pay their way) The entire Texas Senate voted for this in 2001. (The Texas Dream Act does NOT have all the hidden goodies the U.S. Congress "Dream Act" was trying to get into law.)

Perry has said: “If you show up illegally, without your card or you’re here as a criminal element, I’m for throwing the book at those folks, but the issue of people who want to legally, thoughtfully and appropriately come to America to work and help us build our economy — we should quickly come up with a program and an identification card to do that.”

The Texas legislature meets every 2 years for 140 days and the governor is allowed to call Special Sessions. He called a Special Session because he had put "sanctuary cities" on the agenda and the legislature dropped the ball -- but the Senate and then the House left again -- giving Gov. Perry nothing to sign (Texas legislators also have elections they'll be facing and no doubt didn't want a vote on this shadowing their re-election bids).

In this just ended session, after about 3 tries to slip it into a bill, a law that required people to show their birth certificate to get a drivers license got through [The amendment, added by Rep. Jim Pitts, R-Waxahachie, to the education funding bill legislators needed to balance the state budget had originally been included in Senate Bill 9, the so-called "sanctuary cities" bill that failed in the special session. It also had appeared in an omnibus homeland security bill by Sen. Tommy Williams, R-The Woodlands, that died in the regular session......By putting it into law the state potentially undermines an ongoing lawsuit that argues DPS doesn't have authority to check legal status.]. However, the ink on that law was barely dry before it was overturned by a judge – as usual.

In this last Texas Legislative session Gov. Perry signed the Texas Photo ID Voting Law -- it took 6 years to get it through -- Only 6 states have a PHOTO Voter ID requirement.

Texas has a long history with Mexico and being "Mexican" does not mean that you aren't an American, or a Texan. A lot of Texans have Mexican heritage or are married to someone who does. Perry doesn't lead with his chin. He's a thoughtful man.

Rick Perry is as ready to fix this as anyone and understands it probably better than anyone running -- or commenting anonymously on a chat site.

Using state resources, Gov. Rick Perry (denied the necessary and requested federal help needed by a border state to deal with the consequences of current federal inaction, in addition to shouldering the continued fallout from past federal actions) works to hold the line on the 1250 mile section of the U.S. border between Texas and Mexico, our neighbor to the south.

50 posted on 09/11/2011 11:01:18 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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