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Amish men jailed for not displaying buggy (orange-red triangle) safety signs
Yahoo ^ | 9/14/11 | Steve Robrahn

Posted on 09/14/2011 10:50:46 PM PDT by Libloather

Amish men jailed for not displaying buggy safety signs
By Steve Robrahn | Reuters – 15 hrs ago

LOUISVILLE, Ky (Reuters) - Eight members of a traditional Amish sect were behind bars on Tuesday after refusing to pay fines for failure to display orange-red safety triangles on their horse-drawn buggies.

The eight were being held in the Graves County Jail, serving sentences ranging between three and 10 days for failing to pay the fines on religious grounds.

Graves District Judge Deborah Hawkins ordered the men jailed Monday in Mayfield, about 200 miles from Louisville in western Kentucky. The defendants contend that paying the fines would amount to complying with a law that violates their religious restrictions against wearing or displaying bright colors or relying upon man-made symbols for their safety.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amish; buggy; jailed; kentucky; ky; louisville; religiousfreedom; religiousliberty; religiouspersecution; safety
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To: Smokin' Joe
Would an orange triangle make that vehicle more visible? Really?

Doubt it....not on a horse drawn carriage going four miles an hour in any traffic at night. The Amish were just doing what they've always done and the LEOs were doing what they do.

That said, it's a matter to be left to the Court.

Know any Amish legal eagles? Didn't think so.

Pedestrians have more protections.
41 posted on 09/15/2011 12:22:22 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: Libloather

Enough with the religion excuse.

Enough with jackass judges.


42 posted on 09/15/2011 12:22:22 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: Da Mav

How about permitting these slow buggies to use the shoulder of the road?


43 posted on 09/15/2011 12:23:27 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: runninglips

>> they want them to conform...

Indeed.

But I’m not sure I’d want to discover a carriage just 50 yards ahead in the cloak of darkness. Maybe a lantern would work.


44 posted on 09/15/2011 12:28:38 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I really am not an expert.


45 posted on 09/15/2011 12:28:43 AM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: Libloather

Too much government at all levels.


46 posted on 09/15/2011 12:30:53 AM PDT by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
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To: BIGLOOK

“Know any Amish legal eagles?”

Well.... I know that the Mennonites have lawyers....the Amish don’t?


47 posted on 09/15/2011 12:32:14 AM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: Lmo56

No sweat, with Obamas policies we’ll all be a riden horse and buggie soon.


48 posted on 09/15/2011 12:33:19 AM PDT by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

These roads often DON’T have shoulders.


49 posted on 09/15/2011 12:34:05 AM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
One could complain this is double trouble. Not only could a car driver come suddenly upon a buggy, but the manure slick behind it would make it harder for the car to stop in time.

Well, then they'd be in deep....

50 posted on 09/15/2011 12:38:39 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Winstons Julia
They do or at least they have sympathetic barristers that come to their defense. I've met some Amish and found them wise, kindly and very stubborn in their ways. They are practicing their rights in America to live as they do.

Es ist eine Frage des kulturellen Verständnisses, eine Sache des Vertrauens, nicht wahr?
51 posted on 09/15/2011 12:49:40 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: Libloather
There is no reason they should be exempt from traffic laws for the sake of their superstition.
52 posted on 09/15/2011 1:13:25 AM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: Jonty30

” I think they should either comply with the law or not take their horse or carriages out after dark.

I’d feel really crappy if I ended up running into the back of those black carriages and killing the driver and/or horses.

I would really feel bad for the horses, not the 300 horses I have under my hood.”


EXACTLY my thoughts
I live smack in the middle of a big community of them, most are good friends too

here in PA for them most part they obey the laws


53 posted on 09/15/2011 3:24:23 AM PDT by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

around here their buggies ALL have flashing lights, front and rear .. the lights are their choice, and even then not enough as 100’s are hit every year


54 posted on 09/15/2011 3:28:27 AM PDT by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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To: Jonty30
That's exactly right.

I'm all for limited government . . . but once you haul your @ss out onto a state-funded roadway, you live by the state's rules. And it's not as if this is an unreasonable expectation by the state, either.

55 posted on 09/15/2011 3:38:55 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Libloather

I have no idea why they Amish would refuse to put slow moving vehicle (SMV) reflectors on the back of their buggies. Its extremely dangerous for everyone on the road at night without them.

Other farmers use SMVs and they generally have lights to boot.


56 posted on 09/15/2011 3:45:32 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: All

Real freedom is not where you can do what you want, at the expense of another person.

It is that magical point where you can do what you want without it compelling people to do what they don’t want to do.

Like hit horses.


57 posted on 09/15/2011 3:52:52 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: SF_Redux

If it’s sincerely religious, it would have to do with idolatry. Many of these Christian faiths, which were founded approximately at the same time believe that any colour brings attention to themselves, and not God.

Amongst the groups that believe this would include the Amish, Hutterites, and Mennonites.

However, unofficially, it’s also about preventing people from leaving their communities, because if you’re still function in the 1800’s, when it’s 2012, it’s pretty hard to adapt to modern times.


58 posted on 09/15/2011 4:00:55 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: HiTech RedNeck

They often do use the shoulder but are too wide to avoid protruding well into the road on many of the country lanes and even state highways around here. (Central PA)


59 posted on 09/15/2011 4:13:25 AM PDT by Da Mav
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To: SampleMan

We have Amish communities here in Hardin County, which is about 150 miles east of where this occurred. The Amish here all display the orange warning triangles on their buggies.


60 posted on 09/15/2011 4:52:32 AM PDT by damper99
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