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Holder’s hell week - More Fast & Furious fallout
NY Post ^ | September 21, 2011 | Michael A. Walsh

Posted on 09/22/2011 11:07:53 AM PDT by neverdem

The stench from Washington is getting stronger. Rep. Darrell Issa has called for a special prosecutor to get to the bottom of the festering mess known as Operation Fast and Furious.

Hatched somewhere in the bowels of the Justice Department, that misbegotten scheme had the Department of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives deliberately allowing high-powered guns to “walk” from Arizona and elsewhere into Mexico: Our agents turned a blind eye toward the straw purchasers who were funneling the weapons to the drug cartels.

The (dumb) idea was to trace cross-border arms trafficking, and so prove the (false) claim that 90 percent of the guns seized in Mexican drug war zones originate in the US. (The real figure is closer to 17 percent.) But, as Issa’s Oversight and Government Reform committee continues its investigation, that pretension has evaporated -- and a major international scandal has been born.

Marisela Morales, the Mexican attorney general, estimates that at least 200 Mexicans have been killed with Fast and Furious weapons -- among them, a powerful Barrett .50 caliber sniper rifle that took down a federal helicopter. Morales, who calls the program a “betrayal” of her country, told the Los Angeles Times that she first learned about Fast and Furious from news reports, and that US officials still haven’t briefed their Mexican counterparts on it.

She shouldn’t feel lonely: The administration has been notably unforthcoming to everybody on this one. Eric Holder’s Justice has engaged in a rearguard battle against Issa’s committee -- turning over subpoenaed documents only slowly and heavily redacted, making witnesses unavailable and transferring or retiring implicated officials such as former ATF head Kenneth Melson. Issa has publicly accused Holder & Co. of “gaming” congressional investigators.

Yet the drip, drip, drip of revelations continues. A third “Fast and Furious” gun has now...

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Front Page News; Mexico; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; corruption; democrats; drugcartels; drugrunning; fastandfurious; fraud; gunrunner; gunrunning; gunwalker; holder; holdertruthfile; honduras; obama; sinaloa

1 posted on 09/22/2011 11:07:58 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Its amazing that as much pressure has been brought to bare on this administration re: Gunrunner with very little assistance from the mainstream news media.


2 posted on 09/22/2011 11:11:24 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: neverdem
Hatched somewhere in the bowels of the Justice Department,

More correctly, "In the Oval Office of the White House."Something this large had to come from Obama or one of his top handlers.

3 posted on 09/22/2011 11:11:54 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; Josephat; Prince of Space; ...

FOR REFERENCE:

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A Journalist's guide to 'Project Gunwalker'-Part One

A Journalist's Guide to 'Project Gunwalker'-Part Two

A Journalist's Guide to 'Project Gunwalker'-Part Three

A Journalist's Guide to 'Project Gunwalker'-Part Four

A Journalist's Guide to 'Project Gunwalker'-Part Five

A Journalist's Guide to 'Project Gunwalker'-Part Six


4 posted on 09/22/2011 11:15:13 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: neverdem

Issa should invite the Mexican attorney general to testify. It would make the Republicans look sympathetic towards Mexicans and it would make 0bama look worse.


5 posted on 09/22/2011 11:15:29 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: neverdem

They’re coming for you Holder, you criminal POS democrat. Indict, prosecute and incarcerate the bastard.

FUBO & FAD


6 posted on 09/22/2011 11:15:29 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: neverdem

Issa is calling for a special prosecutor. I wonder what the next step is into making that happen. DOJ is probably busy, trying to clean up evidence.


7 posted on 09/22/2011 11:16:26 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: neverdem
Rep. Darrell Issa has called for a special prosecutor to get to the bottom of the festering mess known as Operation Fast and Furious. Well Yeah!!!! Way past time imho.
8 posted on 09/22/2011 11:16:40 AM PDT by swamprebel (Where liberty dwells, there is my country.)
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To: neverdem

Has he truly called for a special prosecutor? First I’ve heard that such a request has been made


9 posted on 09/22/2011 11:17:38 AM PDT by whatexit
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To: neverdem
article's premise is wrong. It was hatched in the oval office and it's purpose had no intention of having an impact on the drug war. Sole motivation was a deliberate attack on the 2nd amendment. That is why there were some many news reports about guns from the US going to Mexico while this program was underway. That was the propaganda part of the program.
10 posted on 09/22/2011 11:26:04 AM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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To: neverdem

Prison for you, Holder.


11 posted on 09/22/2011 11:28:08 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: forgotten man

THAT........ is one HELL of an idea.....Rep. ISSA, if you are lurking, this is the way to go!!!


12 posted on 09/22/2011 11:29:31 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: forgotten man

“Issa should invite the Mexican attorney general to testify.”

I concur! What a show that would make!


13 posted on 09/22/2011 11:30:05 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: RJS1950

It goes higher than holder and covers more agencies than just doj. We have the cia, nsa, and state depsrtment involved in this as well as the White House. THIS is huge, involves national security, and more countries than just Mexico.


14 posted on 09/22/2011 11:30:20 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: neverdem

Gunwalker is another form of Cloward-Piven.


15 posted on 09/22/2011 11:35:47 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: opentalk

“DOJ is probably busy, trying to clean up evidence.”

It’s guaranteed that anybody who was ordered to do something illegal kept copies and maybe mad clandestine recordings. All Issa has to do is find the right guy and the house of cards will come tumbling down. Right now, everybody is holding onto their printed emails and recordings not wanting to jeopardize their federal pensions.


16 posted on 09/22/2011 11:39:17 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: rigelkentaurus
Sole motivation was a deliberate attack on the 2nd amendment.

Exactly what the article says.

17 posted on 09/22/2011 11:39:17 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: neverdem

Holder and Obama are going down together. There is no way Obama will be able to accept Holder stepping down.

At a certain point, you have to hold Obama accountable (for Holder). It is way past beyond that.


18 posted on 09/22/2011 11:41:51 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

“Issa should invite the Mexican attorney general to testify.”

I sent an e-mail to Congressman Issa and asked him to invite the Mexican attorney general to testify at the Fast and Furious hearings. I hope other Freepers will do the same. I can’t wait to see it on Univsion.


19 posted on 09/22/2011 11:47:00 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: whatexit
Has he truly called for a special prosecutor? First I’ve heard that such a request has been made

This is the second or third time that I've read about Issa calling for a special prosecutor.

20 posted on 09/22/2011 11:52:55 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
Rep. Darrell Issa has called for a special prosecutor...

As best as I know, he's stated in a telephone interview that he WANTS a special prosecutor, but I'm unaware that he's made any formal requests for one. Does anyone else know otherwise?

21 posted on 09/22/2011 12:00:11 PM PDT by kidd (S&P gives Obama an 'AA+'...Obama's only published grade)
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To: opentalk

> Issa is calling for a special prosecutor. I wonder what the next step is into making that happen...

How about this for a next step. The administration needs a continuing resolution to operate. Announce that there will be no funding in any continuing resolution for the Department of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives until a truly independent special prosecutor is named.

Then, of course, follow up by doing just that.


22 posted on 09/22/2011 12:02:21 PM PDT by No more debt (Not one more dollar for BATFE until a special prosecutor is named!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
From Wikipedia "Special Counsel"
is sometimes used as a synonym for Independent Counsel, but under the former law authorizing the Independent Counsel, the appointment was made by a special panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. The Independent Counsels law expired in 1999, and was effectively replaced by Department of Justice regulation 28 CFR Part 600, under which Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald was appointed to look into the Plame affair.
A quick reading of 28 CFR Part 600 suggests that the Attorney General, with few exceptions, decides whether to appoint a special prosecutor, decides who it shall be and then gets to tells him how to proceed. If my reading is correct, asking the Attorney General to appoint a special prosecutor could cause Holder a bit of embarrassment initially but the chances of getting the goods on Fast and Furious that way are not great.
23 posted on 09/22/2011 12:03:38 PM PDT by DanMiller (Dan Miller)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Holder and Obama are going down together. There is no way Obama will be able to accept Holder stepping down.

At a certain point, you have to hold Obama accountable (for Holder). It is way past beyond that.”

From your lips to God’s ears.......


24 posted on 09/22/2011 12:12:17 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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25 posted on 09/22/2011 12:13:39 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: MestaMachine

Of course it does but holder is at the point of the current sword and the sword should be pushed home starting with him.

If we manage to save the Constitution by electing a conservative president, the first act should be to fire all democrat appointees in all agencies and that includes the Joint Chiefs. Bush should have done that to the clinton generals and admirals.


26 posted on 09/22/2011 12:14:59 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: RJS1950

Send Holder to Mexico where he can rot in a Mexican prison.


27 posted on 09/22/2011 12:16:09 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Gen.Blather
The ramifications are big for those involved. Murders in two countries, drug cartels, stimulus money, cover up, perjury....

There is also a current trial in Illinois that may provide more evidence.

Justice Dept. Accused of Giving Immunity to Mexican Drug Cartel

US Court Documents Claim Sinaloa “Cartel” Is Protected by US Government

There is also the Florida gun running

Source claims ATF's Tampa SAC walked guns to Honduras

28 posted on 09/22/2011 12:16:09 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: RJS1950

I could not agree with you more.


29 posted on 09/22/2011 12:22:55 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Yeah, that would be fine if I didn’t think that the criminal government of mexico was also part of this.


30 posted on 09/22/2011 12:24:39 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: ozzymandus
It seems Holders complicity in the resulting murders could land him in prison for the rest of his life. Issa might use that as way to get Holder to implicate the Obozo, providing Holder stays healthy.
31 posted on 09/22/2011 12:34:23 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: whatexit

Issa said he will ask for a special prosecutor as soon as the hearings end. When a special prosecutor is assigned, hearings MUST stop; Issa said he wants to make sure they’ve completed their work before shutting it down with a call for S.P.


32 posted on 09/22/2011 12:40:16 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: joe fonebone

You want to guarantee that he’ll see it? Post it up on cleanupatf.org.

He and his staff are watching that site like a hawk.


33 posted on 09/22/2011 1:00:09 PM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: neverdem

Its only hell if something is done about it. But alas, more ‘Rat crooks with above average melanin will skate.


34 posted on 09/22/2011 1:01:36 PM PDT by crosshairs (If Sharia Law becomes the law of the land, heads are gonna roll.)
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To: Gen.Blather
One more link to add , possibly related, I don't know much about it, but the timing is suspect. There are no coincidences with is administration (imo)

This is a recent executive order that seems to shift more power to Holder and DOJ. Which would also shifts more control over information to Os inner circle

President Obama Levels Executive Order At Zetas

Under the new strategy, the Justice Department and the FBI would appear to have heightened roles in the government's effort to tackle transnational threats.

35 posted on 09/22/2011 1:03:39 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: MestaMachine
It goes higher than holder and covers more agencies than just doj. We have the cia, nsa, and state depsrtment involved in this as well as the White House. THIS is huge, involves national security, and more countries than just Mexico.

In that sense, F&F could be a gift from heaven.

One of the major problems the next President will have to deal with is all the radicals embedded in career positions within the Civil Service.

I refer to the radicals that Clinton appointed...and that Bush couldn't be bothered to deal with...plus the radicals that Obama has appointed. As you know Civil Service rules make it extremely difficult to fire a career government employee.

If one combed thru every department for anybody who was associated with Fast & Furious in any way -- you might well have reason to fire them for cause.

This simple act could perhaps eliminate thousands of socialist agitators inside the government.

36 posted on 09/22/2011 1:10:33 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Joe Brower

37 posted on 09/22/2011 1:30:44 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: okie01

Treason is a cause of its own Any patriot worth their salt would demand the rssignations of every single wonk at state and every doj employee from the janitors to the contractors who fill the damn vending machines. Then sweep the dod with a mine sweeper and make every cia and dia and nsa spook take polygraph tests. every one of them. 75% of them would nd up either in jail or in rubber rooms.


38 posted on 09/22/2011 1:36:50 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: neverdem

The cartels tortured and killed the brother of a prominent Mexican DA —his pre-execution video is famous.

Why not use passive-aggression and demagoguery, and invite his sister and surviving family up to the USA for some monument-seeing and teary-eyed testimony for the cameras?

That ought to do wonders for the Hispanic vote, you know?

“Your poor papa —did you love him very much, before they shot him through the skull...?”

“Tell me about how you laughed and played as a child with your loving brother, before you became a DA in Mexico...”

“Were you often scared for the safety of your auntie —were you scared she’d be shot by bad drug men...?”

Hey this is ALL stuff the left would do...!

Their formula is as simple as it is reliable: “Convervatives hate poor brown people, while lefties LOVE them...”

Let’s take them at their word, and let them live up to it.

So far it’s legalistic, but you have to make it poignant and emotional so that average people in the street will care and remember.

Destroy Obama’s ratings with the Hispanic community —he killed 200 of them (so far).


39 posted on 09/22/2011 2:15:42 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: MestaMachine

Your previous post to me:

“The NEW president should demand the resignations of every person living or dead in the doj.”

Current post:

“Treason is a cause of its own. Any patriot worth their salt would demand the rssignations of every single wonk at state and every doj employee from the janitors to the contractors who fill the damn vending machines. Then sweep the dod with a mine sweeper and make every cia and dia and nsa spook take polygraph tests. every one of them. 75% of them would nd up either in jail or in rubber rooms.”

I see you have developed your proposal. Now your talking!!!

:-)


40 posted on 09/22/2011 5:43:21 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: forgotten man

Love your idea, but Holder would probably not let the Mexican AG into the country. We have a border to protect, you know........

(rolling eyes!)


41 posted on 09/22/2011 5:46:42 PM PDT by prairiebreeze
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To: neverdem

Holder is a gun grabber. Has always been and will always be.


42 posted on 09/22/2011 6:22:25 PM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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Thanks neverdem:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2782837/posts?page=16#16


43 posted on 09/23/2011 4:05:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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