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OBAMA’S BLUNDER: MISSING LIBYAN SURFACE TO AIR MISSILES (Huge threat to America)
Dick Morris ^ | 9.28.201128 | Dick Morris And Eileen McGann

Posted on 09/28/2011 5:44:34 AM PDT by MindBender26

For twenty years – long before 9/11 – the danger of terrorists armed with surface to air missiles shooting at passenger planes has been the secret fear of many top political leaders. In the late 90s, a terrorist network was nabbed trying to bring them into Newark Airport, but the airline industry and the government have done nothing to equip passenger airplanes with any defense against these always deadly missiles.

Now Barack Obama has committed the ultimate sin: He has let 20,000 surface-to-air missiles escape from military depots in Libya. According to ABC News “U.S. officials had once thought there was little chance that terrorists could get their hands on many of the portable surface-to-air missiles that can bring down a commercial jet liner. But now that calculation is out the window, with officials at a recent secret White House meeting reporting that thousands of them have gone missing in Libya.” An estimated 20,000 of these “portable, heat-seeking missiles have gone missing from unguarded Army weapons warehouses.”

Senator Barbara Boxer, of the Senate’s Commerce, Energy, and Transportation Committee said that “matching up a terrorist with a shoulder-fired missile, that’s our worst nightmare.

And now, thanks to Obama’s carelessness and his unnecessary decision to intervene in Libya, it may be our future reality.

ABC News describes the missing missiles as “four to six-feet long and Russian-made, [they] can weight just 55 pounds with launcher.” They are accurate within a range of more than two miles. That a terrorist could sit on a boat off JFK airport and shoot down a passenger plane as it ascends could now be a real possibility.

In the Iraq War, during the run-up to the 2004 election, there were reports of unguarded US military depots from which insurgents allegedly stole thousands of explosives. The story broke in the week before the election and Kerry took down all his other ads and focused on this issue, first reported in the New York Times. By Election Day, it was proven that the report was bogus, adding to Kerry’s woes. Now, faced with this massive blunder and security threat, we hear nothing but the sounds of silence from any of the mainstream media except, to its immense credit, ABC News.

We need to assign a top priority to hunting down these missiles. In Afghanistan, our troops jumped through hoops to corral all the Stinger Missiles left over from the Russian War. This potential leak of these dangerous weapons is vastly more threatening. Obama needs to face this issue squarely and publicly. And we all need to learn the cost we may pay from having elected a rank amateur as president


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This a disaster of unprecedented proportions. Bring down one airliner in America and 10% of commerce stops.

Bring down two, and all business travel, airlines and tourism are finished.

The only question is, was Obama too stupid to stop it.... or did he want it to happen.

1 posted on 09/28/2011 5:44:37 AM PDT by MindBender26
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To: MindBender26

bttt


2 posted on 09/28/2011 5:46:36 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Obamageddon, Barackalypse Now! Bam is "Debt Man Walking" in 2012 - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: MindBender26

all those NATO bombing sorties and yet “we” managed to miss all the weapons warehouses that could be used against us???

my vote is...too stupid


3 posted on 09/28/2011 5:47:02 AM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: Matchett-PI

Time for some critical thinking. If they had operational, portable SAMs, they would have used them against NATO.


4 posted on 09/28/2011 5:48:13 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: MindBender26
Operation Fast & Furious Part II.

Thanks, Barry.

5 posted on 09/28/2011 5:48:45 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: MindBender26
That a terrorist could sit on a boat off JFK airport and shoot down a passenger plane as it ascends could now be a real possibility.

Not to worry. They'll just blame it on the center fuel tank...again.

6 posted on 09/28/2011 5:48:50 AM PDT by tbpiper (Sarah Palin is the antivenin for the Obama poison)
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To: MindBender26

Thanks for posting. And for the no-nonsense analysis. Anyone who concludes that Obama is something less than MALICIOUS simply has not been paying attention.


7 posted on 09/28/2011 5:49:10 AM PDT by txnuke (Obama votes "PRES__ENT" because he has no ID.)
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To: MindBender26

He didn’t blunder, this is exactly what he wanted.
If he can seize power that way, that’s what he will do.
And Krugman will be all for it.


8 posted on 09/28/2011 5:50:17 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: MindBender26

It is no accident and no blunder. Obozo is in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood, they did what they intended to do.

Yes there will be a price paid.

Obozo is a total train wreck.. But it is no accident, it is his intentions. From the beginning he intended to wreck us no less than those who flew into the World Trade Center.


9 posted on 09/28/2011 5:51:27 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: MindBender26

Well, he is the smartest man on the planet therefore...


11 posted on 09/28/2011 5:52:00 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (How will the Rats keep power? They cheat!)
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To: epluribus_2
"Time for some critical thinking. If they had operational, portable SAMs, they would have used them against NATO."

A reasonable ASSUMPTION. However, that would depend on who actually had control of them when NATO began bombing.

12 posted on 09/28/2011 5:57:22 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Obamageddon, Barackalypse Now! Bam is "Debt Man Walking" in 2012 - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: MindBender26

This could be bogus intelligence, considering how bad ours is.


13 posted on 09/28/2011 5:58:36 AM PDT by PghBaldy (War Powers Res: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/warpower.asp)
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To: MindBender26

Wouldn’t the terrorists hurt Obama’s reelection chances? Why would they want to do that?

Seriously - it could HELP bummers reelection if there were a terrorist attack. I think I remember Bent Clinton wistfully wishing that he could have stood on that smoking pile of rubble with a bull horn.


14 posted on 09/28/2011 5:59:14 AM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: MindBender26

The only question is, was Obama too stupid to stop it.... or did he want it to happen.

What do you think?


15 posted on 09/28/2011 6:00:00 AM PDT by Josephat
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To: MindBender26
Hmmmm....I remember the media screaming about the Bush administration not guarding the weapons storage in Iraq. I'm sure they'll do the same...oh...never mind.
16 posted on 09/28/2011 6:00:00 AM PDT by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: txnuke

When it comes to hussein, and hurting America... If the choice is between incompetence and maliciousness, I’m going with intentional maliciousness every time. I firmly believe, would bet the house on it, that he wants a weaker, socialist-friendly, world-citizen, non-unilaterally acting America. That’s his gift to world socialism.


17 posted on 09/28/2011 6:00:07 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: listenhillary

“Wouldn’t the terrorists hurt Obama’s reelection chances? Why would they want to do that?”

Gov Bev wants to suspend the election next year, so does our terrorist-in-chief.....


18 posted on 09/28/2011 6:02:14 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: MindBender26
Bring down one airliner in America and 10% of commerce stops.

It keeps going just fine if you blame the crash on on a center wing tank explosion.

19 posted on 09/28/2011 6:03:18 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Obama’s egalitarian plan for America. No nation or culture is superior to any other nation or culture.

The field must be leveled.


20 posted on 09/28/2011 6:05:02 AM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: MindBender26
(imho) substitute Europe and Israel or say all three in your comments and the result would be the same. Another epic fail by zer0 and this one puts people's lives in the balance. (imho)
21 posted on 09/28/2011 6:06:21 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: coloradan

Not to mention deeming it an “accident” while the wreckage is still ablaze (November 2001).


22 posted on 09/28/2011 6:07:00 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: MindBender26
"That a terrorist could sit on a boat off JFK airport and shoot down a passenger plane as it ascends could now be a real possibility."

could now be a real possibility? Hello? Somebody seriously said this without referencing the obvious?

23 posted on 09/28/2011 6:08:16 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: tbpiper

Don’t be stupid, at least not on purpose. TWA 800 was FAR outside the threat envelope for a man portable AA missile.


24 posted on 09/28/2011 6:10:26 AM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: listenhillary
Wouldn’t the terrorists hurt Obama’s reelection chances?

That assumes a fair election will take place in November 2012.

25 posted on 09/28/2011 6:13:55 AM PDT by WPaCon
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To: MindBender26

I am skeptical about these numbers.

1) 20,000 portable surface-to-air missiles just on its face is an incredible stockpile for a small state such as Libya. I wonder if RPGs or artillery rockets are being lumped together with the SAMS to make up these numbers.

2) How many reports do you recall of Libyan soldiers trying to shoot down NATO jets and gunships with such weapons. I vaguely recall one instance of NATO rebel allies firing on a NATO bomber. If Libya had such an abundance of weapons, they’d have used them freely.


26 posted on 09/28/2011 6:14:00 AM PDT by tlb
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To: MindBender26
Hmmm...they stole 20,000 RUSSIAN MADE MANPADs from US bases? That is a head scrather. Is our military so hollowed out we are buying munitions from the Russkies?
27 posted on 09/28/2011 6:14:09 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Hatteras

The pictures (out of Libya) did show surface to air, in the past probable(cover-up). Cannot argue with the eyewitness reports from another pilot near the area. Europe and possibly Israel could be the first to be hit with these weapons, if the information is not misinformation, though from all gleamed at the present the information does not appear as misinformation. If is misinformation there is some media organization working with the laser company to gain entry for installation on aircraft of the system to scramble the surface to air projectile. Could know rather soon whether or not this was / is misinformation. Planes being shot out of the sky would definitely say this information is not misinformation. Wondering if our security apparatus will wait till this takes place (planes being shot down)?


28 posted on 09/28/2011 6:18:24 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: MindBender26

1) I’m surprised to learn that terrorists don’t already have surface-to-air missiles.

2) I don’t see how we could possibly defend against them, unless we do extreme things such as deporting all Muslims.

3) I’d guess that hi-jacking a plane would still be preferred, since you can then fly the plane into objects. I’m also very concerned about terrorists or an Islamic state (kinda redundant) using a nuclear weapon or emp. Until they can do that, shooting down planes could be a very effective war/terrorism strategy for them.


29 posted on 09/28/2011 6:20:31 AM PDT by WPaCon
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Where did you get the idea that the thefts were from US bases?


30 posted on 09/28/2011 6:22:10 AM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: epluribus_2

Critical thinking comes up with this: it doesn’t necessarily mean the rebels getting shot at by NATO got the missiles. Could have been someone else, who didn’t care about shooting down NATO aircraft.


31 posted on 09/28/2011 6:24:16 AM PDT by LaRueLaDue
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To: WPaCon

There are systems that can reduce the risk of a plane being hit. No systems in place on commercial planes that I know of. The pilot has to see it coming for to be deployed.


32 posted on 09/28/2011 6:25:39 AM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: epluribus_2

“If they had operational, portable SAMs, they would have used them against NATO.”

Not necessarily. They probably didn’t want NATO to know they had them and it gave them time to ship them out of the country. They will soon be coming across the US/Mexican border. FUBO.


33 posted on 09/28/2011 6:27:04 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: listenhillary

Because “Now Barack Obama has committed the ultimate sin: He has let 20,000 surface-to-air missiles escape from military depots in Libya.”

IIRC, the US CIC only controls US military depots. Or so I thought.


34 posted on 09/28/2011 6:29:30 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: MindBender26; Squantos; Travis McGee
An estimated 20,000 of these “portable, heat-seeking missiles have gone missing from unguarded Army weapons warehouses.”

If we knew where to look for them, why didn't we take them out with all the bajillion sorties we were flying? I mean, if you are flying bajillions of sorties, aren't anti-aircraft depots just down the list from radar, command, and control systems?

That a terrorist could sit on a boat off JFK airport and shoot down a passenger plane as it ascends could now be a real possibility.

This direct reference to TWA 800 like is s pretty tongue in cheek comment, even for Morris. Are you telling us you KNOW something, Dickie?

It isn't hard to envision the kind of "security" around airports and flight paths we're going to "need" now. Of course, we have to presume there really were these 20,000 missiles in inventory that Gadaffi somehow wasn't using against anybody to save his sorry skin. I guess he was busy at the time.

My point is that this story stinks in more ways than one.

35 posted on 09/28/2011 6:31:16 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: MindBender26

From 2005

UK News
Britain buys Russian surface-to-air missiles in fight against terrorism

By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent

12:01AM GMT 13 Dec 2005

Britain has secretly bought dozens of sophisticated Russian surface-to-air missiles, some of which are believed to have fallen into terrorist hands, to develop counter measures against them.

There are significant fears that the weapon, which can be packed into a golf bag and assembled and fired very rapidly by one person with minimal training, will be targeted at civil and military aircraft.

Defence experts have spent the past year experimenting with the shoulder-launched missile in order to protect British aircraft and service personnel.

The Daily Telegraph knows the exact make of the missile but has withheld the information on the advice of the D-Notice committee.

The weapon has reportedly been purchased by Libya in a multi-million dollar deal. Both Syria and Iran are in negotiations to buy hundreds and Vietnam, Brazil, India and Ukraine already have it in their armoury.

But there are worries that in Iraq the missile has already fallen into the hands of insurgents who could use it to devastating effect against British or American transport planes carrying hundreds of troops.

It would also have a dire impact on the economy if terrorists were able to use it to bring down a passenger aircraft in Europe or America.

Britain used arms dealers experienced in the Russian market to approach a state-owned arms manufacturer to purchase the system. The missiles and launchers were imported into Britain in an estimated £2.8 million deal.

Ministry of Defence scientists and gunners from the Royal Artillery have test-fired them at UK bases. Britain is thought to be trying to buy another batch of missiles and the test results will be pooled with the Americans.

The SAM flies higher, farther and faster and homes in on images as well as heat, making it capable of taking out Cruise missiles in flight.

It is very rugged, able to survive being submerged in water for 30 minutes or dropped on to a concrete surface from six feet. It is the ideal weapon for terrorists, who “no doubt” have some in their armoury, according to defence sources.

In January a London businessman, Hemant Lakhani, was jailed for 47 years in America after he attempted to buy 50 missiles in a sting operation that involved the CIA and Russian security services.

There have been reports in the Russian press that the SAM has been passed to French terrorists intent on attacking a civilian aircraft in France or elsewhere in the European Union. There has also been intelligence that up to 150 missiles were stolen from a Georgian military depot.

Earlier versions of the SAM were responsible for destroying at least eight American and British aircraft in the 1991 Gulf war, an American F16 in Kosovo in 1999 and a Russian Mi-26 helicopter, killing 121 troops it was carrying in Chechnya in 2002.

The American government has begun tests on a laser device that can be bolted on to an airliner to disrupt heat-seeking missiles.

Fear of flying could cripple the commercial aviation industry and paralyse the economy if an American airliner is destroyed by a shoulder-launched missile, the Rand Corporation, an independent think-tank, reported this year.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1505361/Britain-buys-Russian-surface-to-air-missiles-in-fight-against-terrorism.html


36 posted on 09/28/2011 6:39:48 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: Carry_Okie

The 20,000 figure would sound more in line if they were RPG’s vs. MANPADS


37 posted on 09/28/2011 6:44:12 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Time to move forward not to the center.)
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To: MindBender26

Blunder?

IT WAS PLANNED YOU IDIOTS.

It was predicted widely, described as it happened,
and NOT ONCE did NATO or the CIC defend Americans.


38 posted on 09/28/2011 6:45:11 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Carry_Okie

Wasn’t our SEAL TEAM Helicopter shot down with one of these portable SAM’s ?????


39 posted on 09/28/2011 6:49:14 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: epluribus_2

RE: If they had operational, portable SAMs, they would have used them against NATO.

Not necessarily. NATO military aircraft have advanced countermeasures to these weapons. They would have actually made themselves more vulnerable if they used them because of the signature when fired. Just look at recent conflicts where SAMs were employed.


40 posted on 09/28/2011 6:49:48 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: MindBender26
There was a brisk trade in SAMs from Libya well before the war. Consider the source of this article.

The missiles the Russians said they sold were were Strela type, and can be sold as vehicle launch and manpad. The claim I heard was that the Strela missiles that were sold were not manpad versions, but vehicle launch. That goes along with the arsenal that Libya keeps.

I don't think manpad missiles would be a good deal for Libyan troops. The units that would have training to use them are too valuable to use for AA duties. They could use much more effective ZSU-23 AAA or Gecko firing SA-8 missiles for air defense.

As far as ordinance, 20k missiles is not a big deal. New ZSU variants have Strela launchers.

Manpad missiles have been in circulation from the 1970s. No US commercial aircraft has even been reported as shot down, even though the claim has been made and denied.

41 posted on 09/28/2011 6:50:31 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: epluribus_2

Time for some critical thinking. If they had operational, portable SAMs, they would have used them against NATO.

My thoughts exactly. If they had 20,000 of these things there would have been at least a few NATO planes hit.


42 posted on 09/28/2011 6:56:38 AM PDT by BobinIL
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To: SunTzuWu
Don’t be stupid, at least not on purpose.

I was speaking in terms of the concept and not the exact application. Don't be condescendent, at least not on purpose.

43 posted on 09/28/2011 7:15:55 AM PDT by tbpiper (Sarah Palin is the antivenin for the Obama poison)
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To: MindBender26

Not that gadfly gadaffi is a rational man, but why would he have 20,000 MANPADS? I think he was more worried about rebellion than he was about lowlevel airplane and helicopter attacks. 20,000 would be a waste of resources. I’m guessing that our government knows a few missiles got away. All that yammering the Democrats did about Iraq could come back to haunt them. This way, they can lie and say, “Yeah, but there was so many missiles. I mean who could keep track of 20,000 of them?”


44 posted on 09/28/2011 7:28:38 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: MindBender26

Pity no one got a clue after the Lockerbie bomber deal.....


45 posted on 09/28/2011 7:29:51 AM PDT by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: MindBender26
"The only question is, was Obama too stupid to stop it.... or did he want it to happen."

In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way. Franklin D. Roosevelt

Those who have eyes can see what is happening. Herman Cain sees it. He has our vote, too. Even if we have to write his name on the ballot. I know that is supposed to be counted as a vote for the opposition but we are making our stand. We are on the side of Almighty God, the Father of our Lord Jesus

46 posted on 09/28/2011 7:33:32 AM PDT by Tomato lover (We need an army of Herman Cain voters!!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

>>> IIRC, the US CIC only controls US military depots. Or so I thought. <<<

If you’re going to attack a country to facilitate regime change, you’d damn well better have a plan to secure or destroy their military stores to prevent them from getting into the wrong hands.

If this report is true, then Barry owns it!


47 posted on 09/28/2011 7:45:42 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: MindBender26
Now Barack Obama has committed the ultimate sin: He has let 20,000 surface-to-air missiles escape from military depots in Libya.

No one could screw up everything this badly by accident. No one is that inept. A child could do better.
He's now armed the terrorist with everything they need, as well as arming the criminal enterprises on our southern boarder. Iran is sending war ships to our eastern coast. He's surrounding us with our enemies, while weakening us from within.
This mans hate for Americans has no end!

48 posted on 09/28/2011 7:46:18 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: MindBender26
The only question is, was Obama too stupid to stop it.... or did he want it to happen.

Well, it's the only way to stop Republicans from taking over in a landslide in 2012. Even now, democrats are trying to come up with a way to stop it. Politically, they can't.
SC suggesting - suspend elections due to national emergency (using jobs as an excuse, but something bigger just might work!)
If it happens - we know it was no accident. He's surrounding the U.S with enemies, and the MSM is protecting him while he does it. The democrats are eerily silent about it all.

49 posted on 09/28/2011 7:53:11 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: listenhillary
I think I remember Bent Clinton wistfully wishing that he could have stood on that smoking pile of rubble with a bull horn.

Which could explain why Gore blatantly tried to steal the 2000 election. I can't help but believe they knew it was coming, but didn't alert Bush hoping he'd panic screw it up. They stopped him from entering the White House as long as they could, hoping it would happen before he actually got in the door. Clinton would have had to stay - "for the sake of the American people."
The left was wayyyyy too depressed because it didn't happen on their watch. For me, that was a flag. It wasn't about the victims - it was about them politically.

50 posted on 09/28/2011 8:03:39 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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