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Gingrich outlines 10-point plan that include flat tax, health care and social security changes
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Posted on 09/29/2011 4:48:03 PM PDT by ˘ommon ˘ents

DES MOINES, Iowa — Hoping to revive his flagging bid for the Republican presidential nomination, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich is calling for an overhaul of the way Americans pay taxes, buy health care and contribute to the Social Security system.

Gingrich mapped out the 10-point plan, which he’s calling The 21st Century Contract with America, in a speech at a Des Moines insurance company Thursday. Key elements include repealing President Barack Obama’s health care plan, giving taxpayers the option of paying a flat tax and allowing young people to opt out of Social Security.

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Maybe someone can provide a link to Newt's new Contract.
1 posted on 09/29/2011 4:48:07 PM PDT by ˘ommon ˘ents
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents
This article also appears, with comments from flaming liberal moonbats, at NewsVine

Gingrich calls for changes in taxes, health care

If anyone wants to have some fun over there.

2 posted on 09/29/2011 4:51:18 PM PDT by ˘ommon ˘ents ( If having an "R" makes you conservative, does walking into a barn make you a horse's (_*_)?)
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents

i didn’t understand in the 90’s why we need a contract , nor now.


3 posted on 09/29/2011 4:54:23 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents

Cain/Gingrich


4 posted on 09/29/2011 4:59:48 PM PDT by samtheman (Palin. In your heart you know she's right.)
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents

Cain/Gingrich


5 posted on 09/29/2011 5:00:07 PM PDT by samtheman (Palin. In your heart you know she's right.)
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents

It’s a Beltway plan written by a Beltway guy.

Great ideas in there, but not the sweeping overhaul that I think we need now.

That said, I could support Newt if he were the candidate.


6 posted on 09/29/2011 5:00:11 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents

My problem with a flat tax is it starts as one flat tax for all. Than after a few terms of a Dem Congress, it morphs into a flat tax for some in the higher income ranges only and then a increasingly higher flat tax and culminates in surtax on “the wealthy” effectively creating a new higher tax bracket so the tax is no longer flat.


7 posted on 09/29/2011 5:00:23 PM PDT by chuckee
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents

The only meaningful idea on the table 9-9-9 by Cain.


8 posted on 09/29/2011 5:00:51 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: ken21

Because legislators will cheat and deceive as they see fit, unless there is a firm contract document in hand to which we voters can point and remind the lying scum they are about to be out of a job for breech of contract.


9 posted on 09/29/2011 5:02:25 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: ken21
ken21 wrote:
i didn’t understand in the 90’s why we need a contract , nor now.
Actually, this concept is something I really like, provided that the document actually says something of substance.

It's like a signed agreement to you from the person you are voting for. In their own words, it's their committment to what they will do and what they will attempt.

It's written documentation of their campaign promises.

This "contract" is just an overview, and a work in progress. It seems Mr. Gingrich grees with Nancy Pelosi about more than just climate change. He's also got a touch of "vote for me and you'll get to see what's in it.

From "Gingrich Delivers New 'Contract with America'" on CSPAN's website:
During a speech in Des Moines, Iowa, GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich unveiled his new “Contract with America.” Gingrich told the audience that "Our challenges are enormous."

Gingrich said the new Contract is a framework, and that the full plan will not be released until the end of September 2012, just weeks before Election Day. "This is the beginning of a conversation," he said.

I'm not sure. At least that story had a link to Newt Gingrich's new “Contract with America.”

Newt's own website doesn't seem to have the document on it. So I can't say for sure the Des Moines Register version is "official." Seems Newt is following the Obama model a bit, too. Pass this plan, but the plan isn't on my website yet.

10 posted on 09/29/2011 5:09:31 PM PDT by ˘ommon ˘ents ( If having an "R" makes you conservative, does walking into a barn make you a horse's (_*_)?)
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents
And for anyone who wants to read it in a PDF form, there's

Newt's new Contract With America. (PDF version)

11 posted on 09/29/2011 5:11:47 PM PDT by ˘ommon ˘ents ( If having an "R" makes you conservative, does walking into a barn make you a horse's (_*_)?)
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To: samtheman

Yep-that is what I am thinking too-Cain and Gingrich .


12 posted on 09/29/2011 5:16:00 PM PDT by pugmama
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents

Constitutional Government...which is what most of ‘em,including Gingrich, are trying to run FROM...doesn’t require anything more than a SPINE!!!


13 posted on 09/29/2011 5:17:02 PM PDT by mo
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents
I'm not sure, but from what I've read of this The 21st Century Contract, I can't find anything dealing with protection of unborn Americans. Has the right to life been dropped? Do unborn Americans still have to worry about being murdered by filthy abortionists?

Or have the "Republicans" dropped that critical "social issue"?

What the hell has happened to the Republicans?

14 posted on 09/29/2011 5:17:55 PM PDT by laweeks
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents

I like Newt, the intellectual of the GOP field.


15 posted on 09/29/2011 5:18:30 PM PDT by Paradox (Democrats on Obama, They can't deny him, He is them.)
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To: Paradox

If Newt was really an intellectual, he wouldn’t have fallen for the climate change scam.


16 posted on 09/29/2011 5:38:10 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents

I will get flamed here, but I like Newt’s message and think he could kick Obama’s arse in the general election. Go Newt!

Flame away.


17 posted on 09/29/2011 5:54:30 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

He’s brilliant, but the problem is that after all the great work he did, he let the Dems chase him out (there was no reason for him to have left his position...he had done nothing wrong) and I think it would be hard for him to come back. Once they have smelled weakness...


18 posted on 09/29/2011 6:15:37 PM PDT by livius
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To: laweeks

All a president can really promise to do about abortion is to appoint strict contructionist judges.

Hank


19 posted on 09/29/2011 6:24:14 PM PDT by County Agent Hank Kimball (Ping me to join my anti-Christadelphian list - The best arcane religious doctrinal squabbling on FR!)
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents

I still have RINO of Newt stuck in my teeth from the last GOP cooked D.C. stew. Sorry, must pass on the Newt.
Cain has my attention and I’m hoping he will gain traction.


20 posted on 09/29/2011 6:24:25 PM PDT by Mobilemitter (We must learn to fin >-)> for ourselves.........)
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To: laweeks

All a president can really promise to do about abortion is to appoint strict contructionist judges.

Hank


21 posted on 09/29/2011 6:24:24 PM PDT by County Agent Hank Kimball (Ping me to join my anti-Christadelphian list - The best arcane religious doctrinal squabbling on FR!)
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents
repealing President Barack Obama’s health care plan

Go to hell, you RINO pretender!

Gingrich’s Big Flip-Flop: Was For Insurance Mandate Before He Was Against It

22 posted on 09/29/2011 6:29:11 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents

Your link doesn’t work for me.
Welcome to FR.


23 posted on 09/29/2011 6:32:15 PM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents

Flagging campaign? He is up to 11% and fourth behind Romney, Perry and Cain. He has passed Bachmann and is still standing with Pawlenty and McCotter gone. Don’t be surprised if he inches his way ahead while others fall to the side.


24 posted on 09/29/2011 6:34:23 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: pugmama
Yep-that is what I am thinking too-Cain and Gingrich.

I'm thinking Cain/Bolton. We need someone with foreign policy experience as a plus to Cain's commen sense business experience.

25 posted on 09/29/2011 6:36:54 PM PDT by ozarkgirl (,)
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To: ozarkgirl

Cain is wrong on gun control. He supports the unconstitutional laws the states have illegally enacted. Until he corrrects his position on this, he continues WITHOUT my support.


26 posted on 09/29/2011 6:44:52 PM PDT by imjimbo (The constitution SHOULD be our "gun permit")
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents; All
I don't have time to read it now, but heard the bullet points on Hannity. I was impressed but....

Newt is an idea guy, I know they are dangerous I am one :-)

But even more so was a rare interview i heard with his former chief of staff Tony Blankley ( spelled correct?) and when asked about Newt running for Potus he said something to the effect, of gosh no, he has so many ideas we had trouble focusing him and he said something to the effect he probably is ADD.

Without getting into that debate ( ADD ) , think about it, is Newt better as a chief of staff or some other "Idea Guy" or as the tactician fighting the battles as POTUS and the Idea guy?

I am not sure on that one, I am afraid he would burn out, or spin with to many projects going and not enough steam for Congress to move on them all....

27 posted on 09/29/2011 6:45:38 PM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: Lady Lucky
Lady Lucky wrote:
Your link doesn’t work for me.
Welcome to FR.
Ooops, it looks like it has an extra quote mark on it. Try this one. I actually clicked on it and tested it before I hit post this time.

Newt's new Contract With America. (PDF version)

Thanks for the welcome, but this is just a less outdated handle for an old time Freeper. I've been here since 1998, but on another handle.

28 posted on 09/29/2011 6:48:40 PM PDT by ˘ommon ˘ents ( If having an "R" makes you conservative, does walking into a barn make you a horse's (_*_)?)
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To: freedomfiter2
If Newt was really an intellectual, he wouldn’t have fallen for the climate change scam.

Not necessarily. Plenty of bright people fall for it.

29 posted on 09/29/2011 7:03:00 PM PDT by Paradox (Democrats on Obama, They can't deny him, He is them.)
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents

You typed -————Approved Propagand, via Washington Post ^ —————

BWAHAHAHA oh man my stomach hurts. That’s too funny.


30 posted on 09/29/2011 7:12:12 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: Retired Greyhound

Newt would be useful as an advisor to show a President without political experience (Cain) how things work in Washington.


31 posted on 09/29/2011 7:32:35 PM PDT by RockinRight (If everyone wants to ride in the wagon, then who is pulling it?)
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents

I think a flat tax, while better than the current monstrosity of a revenue system, isn’t as good as a consumption based tax, like the “Fair Tax”. Of course, no new proposals will be workable nor desirable until we first have a repeal of the 16th Amendment.


32 posted on 09/29/2011 7:33:25 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Paradox

Not the kind of people that I would want to vote for. It shows a twisted world view and an unwillingness to look at the evidence before making a decision. Newt has O’Reilly disease. Take the liberal position only for conservative reasons.


33 posted on 09/29/2011 7:43:24 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Paradox

Not the kind of people that I would want to vote for. It shows a twisted world view and an unwillingness to look at the evidence before making a decision. Newt has O’Reilly disease. Take the liberal position only for conservative reasons.


34 posted on 09/29/2011 7:43:42 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: laweeks
"Do unborn Americans still have to worry about being murdered by filthy abortionists?"

Tragically they do.

Hopefully they have no awareness of their murder.

35 posted on 09/29/2011 7:46:42 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: chuckee
Than after a few terms of a Dem Congress, ...

I have heard the same about the Fair Tax. If that is going to be your criteria you will be frozen into place on everything for fear of what might happen in the future. Not a very satisfying way to live.

36 posted on 09/29/2011 7:50:20 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: pugmama

The question is, would Newt settle for a VP spot?


37 posted on 09/29/2011 7:52:19 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents

“Gingrich mapped out the 10-point plan, which he’s calling The 21st Century Contract with America, in a speech at a Des Moines insurance company Thursday. Key elements include repealing President Barack Obama’s health care plan, giving taxpayers the option of paying a flat tax and allowing young people to opt out of Social Security.”

Well that would get my vote if he could get it passed.


38 posted on 09/29/2011 8:11:59 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: imjimbo; ozarkgirl

ozarkgirl


39 posted on 09/29/2011 8:25:34 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: imjimbo; ozarkgirl
>> Cain is wrong on gun control. He supports the unconstitutional laws the states have illegally enacted. Until he corrrects his position on this, he continues WITHOUT my support.<<

What Cain said is he doesn’t care if states “try” to enact laws trying to restrict gun ownership. What he knows and you apparently missed is that it has already been established by Supreme Court decision that the 2nd amendment trumps the states. The states cannot enact laws curtailing gun ownership and anyone who challenges the ones who do will win in the Supreme Court.

So the attack on Cain for his statement is shallow and uneducated.

40 posted on 09/29/2011 8:25:58 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: imjimbo; ozarkgirl
Here’s some info for you on the gun rights issue regarding states.

Let’s look at some history on who is “in charge” when it comes to the second amendment rights.

William Rawle in his 1825 text, A View of the Constitution of the United States of America.

“No clause could by any rule of construction be conceived to give to congress a power to disarm the people. Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some general pretence by a state legislature. But if in any blind pursuit of inordinate power, either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint on both.”

He was talking there about the 2nd ammendment. Did you notice the word “either”? That meant if either the Federal or the State government tried.

Then look at a current situation and case.

Antonin Scalia in writing for the majority in District of Columbia v. Heller:

Nowhere else in the Constitution does a “right” attributed to “the people” refer to anything other than an individual right. What is more, in all six other provisions of the Constitution that mention “the people,” the term unambiguously refers to all members of the political community, not an unspecified subset. This contrasts markedly with the phrase “the militia” in the prefatory clause. As we will describe below, the “militia” in colonial America consisted of a subset of “the people”— those who were male, able bodied, and within a certain age range. Reading the Second Amendment as protecting only the right to “keep and bear Arms” in an organized militia therefore fits poorly with the operative clause’s description of the holder of that right as “the people”.

Notice the right is given to the people not to the government of either Federal or State.

Even in the dissenting opinion, which didn’t win by the way, the Justices couldn’t even get the wording to give States or the Feds the right to take away gun rights from less then law abiding citizens.

John Paul Stevens countered in his dissenting opinion :

“When each word in the text is given full effect, the Amendment is most naturally read to secure to the people a right to use and possess arms in conjunction with service in a well-regulated militia. So far as appears, no more than that was contemplated. But the Court itself reads the Second Amendment to protect a “subset” significantly narrower than the class of persons protected by the First and Fourth Amendments; when it finally drills down on the substantive meaning of the Second Amendment, the Court limits the protected class to “law-abiding, responsible citizens”.

Note that Paul Stevens opinion is only that, and opinion, and was not the winning verdict.

41 posted on 09/29/2011 8:31:49 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents

http://www.newt.org/


42 posted on 09/29/2011 9:13:40 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Compromise on the Holocaust would have killed three million Jews.)
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To: pointsal
"The only meaningful idea on the table 9-9-9 by Cain."

I really like Cain BUT- I'm not for a 17.5% sales tax, plus 9% income tax.

43 posted on 09/29/2011 9:17:40 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Compromise on the Holocaust would have killed three million Jews.)
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To: ken21
>>>i didn’t understand in the 90’s why we need a contract , nor now.<<<

And you should be asking yourself why Newtie wasn't proposing this “contract” in the 90’s. He's just telling you what you want to hear like all career politicians do.

Herman Cain.

44 posted on 09/29/2011 9:18:55 PM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents

Here, I think this has all the info on Newt’s 21st Century Contract: http://www.newt.org/21st-century-contract-america


45 posted on 09/29/2011 10:19:48 PM PDT by casinva (I look at every lie and misrepresentation as a glorious opportunity to get the truth out even more.)
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents
Thanks for that. I did find a simple typo but it's a great start.

It's reflective of Newt's debate answers and the depth with which he's familiar with the problems at hand.

I would enjoy seeing him debate Obama at length.

I know the conventional wisdom is Newt has too much baggage but I'm beyond that. I want substance and he brings plenty. I would prefer him to Romney.

46 posted on 09/29/2011 10:58:43 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama wins reelecton; GOP will find a way to lose.)
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To: laweeks
Newt signed the Susan B Anthony List pro-life pledge. That pledge includes a commitment to defunding Planned Parenthood, ending taxpayer funding of abortion here and abroad, and advancing a pain-capable unborn child protection law.

This part of the new contract is key federal issues: size and scope of gov't, proper role of the judiciary, taxation, healthcare, social security, national security, etc.

47 posted on 09/29/2011 11:05:58 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama wins reelecton; GOP will find a way to lose.)
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents

PART 1: LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS

Executive Summary

1. Repeal Obamacare and pass a replacement that saves lives and money by empowering patients and doctors, not bureaucrats and politicians.

2. Return to robust job creation with a bold set of tax cuts and regulatory reforms that will free American entrepreneurs to invest and hire, as well as by reforming the Federal Reserve and creating a training requirement for extended federal unemployment benefits to encourage work and improve the quality of our workforce.

3. Unleash America’s full energy production potential in oil, natural gas, coal, biofuels, wind, nuclear oil shale and more, creating jobs, stimulating a sustainable manufacturing boom, lowering gasoline and other energy prices, increasing government revenues, and bolstering national security.

4. Save Medicare and Social Security by giving Americans more choices and tools to live longer, healthier lives with greater financial independence.

5. Balance the federal budget by freeing job-creators to grow the economy, reforming entitlements, and implementing waste cutting and productivity improvement systems such as Lean Six Sigma to eliminate waste and fraud. Pass a balanced budget amendment to keep it balanced.

6. Control the border by January 1, 2014 and establish English as the official language of government; reform the legal visa system, and make it much easier to deport criminals and gang members while making it easier for law abiding visitors to come to the US.

7. Revitalize our national security system to meet 21st century threats by restructuring and adequately funding our security agencies to function within a grand strategy for victory over those who seek to kill us or limit American power.

8. Maximize the speed and impact of medical breakthroughs by removing unnecessary obstacles that block new treatments from reaching patients and emphasizing research spending towards urgent national priorities, like brain science with its impact on Alzheimer’s, autism, Parkinson’s, mental health and other conditions knowledge of the brain will help solve.

9. Restore the proper role of the judicial branch by using the clearly delineated powers available to the president and Congress to correct, limit, or replace judges who violate the Constitution.

10. Enforce the Tenth Amendment by starting an orderly transfer of power and responsibility from the federal government back “to the states, respectively, or to the people,” as the Constitution requires. Over the next year, state and local officials and citizens will be asked to identify the areas which can be transferred back home.


48 posted on 09/30/2011 1:12:32 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: CynicalBear

Check out Marbury V Madison- it says that ANY law which doesn’t pass Constitutional muster is “no law”; as far as I know, this was NEVER overturned.


49 posted on 09/30/2011 2:18:12 AM PDT by imjimbo (The constitution SHOULD be our "gun permit")
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To: laweeks

At Gingrich’s website, he begins the conversation on his “21st Century Contract with America” http://www.newt.org/21st-century-contract-america with this statement:
“”America’s exceptional nature is based on the self-evident truths contained in the Declaration of Independence. Our rights are endowed by our Creator and they are unalienable.””


50 posted on 09/30/2011 2:38:55 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org Have mustard seed: will use it. To control the border, Patrol the border!)
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