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RUSH: Why Aren't They Begging Rubio?
www.rushlimbaugh.com ^ | September 29, 2011 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 09/30/2011 12:35:26 AM PDT by Yosemitest



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: articleii; christie; citizen; constitution; deanchaskins; elkvwilkins; emmerichdevattel; lawofnations; liberal; marcorubio; naturalborncitizen; naturalborncuban; reagan; rush; tinhat; usvwongkimark; wongkimark
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To: Huck
That was 6 minutes and 49 seconds of my time well spent. Thank you.
But you might enjoy this with video.
Just click on it. It's called Rush Limbaugh - "Rollback Pelosi" 2/12/2010
41 posted on 09/30/2011 4:50:02 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple: Fight or Die)
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To: MamaTexan
WRONG.
As soon as they apply for Citizenship, they are 'subject to the jurisdiction of the United States'.
42 posted on 09/30/2011 4:53:36 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple: Fight or Die)
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To: Yosemitest

How do you get around the fact that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land that trumps all legislative acts? Therefore, Congress can not devine who is or is not a citizen if what they are are doing is unconstitutional? They do not have the authority to amend the Constitution. It would not be the first Congressional misadventure that is subsequently found to be unconstitutional.


43 posted on 09/30/2011 4:55:58 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: Condor51
I refer you to post #11 and post #30.
Rubio IS ELIGIBLE!!!
44 posted on 09/30/2011 4:56:51 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple: Fight or Die)
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To: Jonty30

Rubio is perfectly eligible, he’s a natural born citizen, and there has never ever been a case where someone was declared not a natural born US citizen on the basis of his parents’ citizenship. Place of birth is what does it; that’s why the Chinese can pay to come in and have babies here, who automatically are considered natural born US citzens, even though their parents live in China and take them back to China immediately and raise them there. Like it or not, the place is what matters.

In fact, if Rubio’s parents had been US citizens but if he himself had been born elsewhere, he would not be considered natural born. This was the whole argument over McCain, if you will recall, who was born to a military family in a hospital in Panama that was used by the military but was not actually on the base (not on US soil, in other words).

So Rubio is fully eligible. Whether he’d want to run, of course, is another matter, and I don’t think he would. He has a very nice young family to look after, and I think he’s happy with what he’s achieving in the Senate.


45 posted on 09/30/2011 4:58:43 AM PDT by livius
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To: iontheball
What part of An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790) don't you understand?

It's their job. It established the RULE of Naturalization.
How dense can you get?!?!?!
46 posted on 09/30/2011 5:00:16 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple: Fight or Die)
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To: Yosemitest
I saw them - FAIL.

The author is a Rubiobot, I checked all his past articles.

47 posted on 09/30/2011 5:05:17 AM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: Yosemitest

No, you fail to understand how the Supreme Court works. Just because Congress has the authority to make laws does not mean that all such laws are Constitutional. If the Act you refer to is challenged in the Supreme Court, the Court will judge the law against Article II. It may or may not pass the test.


48 posted on 09/30/2011 5:06:08 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: Jonty30
I thought Rubio wasn’t eligible in terms of having both parents being Americans at the time he was born?

Made-up birther nonsense.

Rubio is eligible.

49 posted on 09/30/2011 5:08:21 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: MamaTexan
This would make Rubio a native born citizen, not a natural born one.

That's a distinction that doesn't exist in the law. Whether it existed in the framer's minds, or in their intentions, or whether it ought to exist, etc., is fine to argue about, but Rubio's eligibility or lack thereof is determined by the law.

The law says that a person born in U.S. territory of parents who are not "under foreign jurisdiction" (not diplomats, foreign military at war with the U.S., etc.) are citizens by birth, and the law does not distinguish between "citizen by birth" and "natural-born".

50 posted on 09/30/2011 5:11:43 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Condor51
It doesn't change the LAW.
The LAW is clear and I've referenced it enough.
You refuse to recognize the LAW, that's YOUR problem.
Rubio is eligible, plain and simple, and your rants against an author doesn't change the LAW.
Personally, my favorite is Palin, THEN Bachmann, THEN Cain, and THEN Newt.
I would vote for Rubio BEFORE I would even think about Christie, but it would come AFTER Newt.
51 posted on 09/30/2011 5:14:07 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple: Fight or Die)
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To: MamaTexan
Until they BECOME citizens, they are not 'subject to the jurisdiction of the United States'.

Untrue. "Subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" has a specific meaning under the law. Resident aliens are "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" legally. Diplomats aren't. That's the difference.

52 posted on 09/30/2011 5:15:05 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Yosemitest

Thanks for this post. I’m enjoying your replies as much as the original post. Lately, I’ve been thinking that, if Rubio were to run, it might bring the whole citizenship question really out in the open and settle the matter once and for all. What do you think? I’ll have to bookmark this as I’m off to work but look forward to more of this later.


53 posted on 09/30/2011 5:19:08 AM PDT by MomofMarine
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To: Yosemitest
As soon as they apply for Citizenship, they are 'subject to the jurisdiction of the United States'.

LOL! I can't blame you for believing that - it's something we were all brainwashed by our public education to accept as a 'fact'.

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The point is, applying for citizenship is not enough. Until they ARE citizens they cannot pass their citizenship to their offspring.

That's how natural-borns are made - they inherit their citizenship from their parents.

No parental citizenship means NO NATURAL-BORN OFFSPRING.

The fact they had begun the process of naturalization is irrelevant.

[Wong Kim Ark's parents had begun the naturalization process as well, but the USSC still considered him to be native born, not natural born]

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“[I] find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen. . . . ” —
John A. Bingham, (R-Ohio) US Congressman, March 9, 1866 Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866), Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes (1866).

Citizenship is an absolute. There are no exceptions for a quasi state of 'almost' a citizen.

Rubio is not eligible for public office for the same reason Soetoro is not....and I will not be a hypocrite and say otherwise just because he is 'one of ours'!

54 posted on 09/30/2011 5:26:21 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am ~Person~ as created by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Campion
That's a distinction that doesn't exist in the law.

Yes, it does.

Wong Kim Ark
The right of citizenship never descends in the legal sense, either by the common law or under the common naturalization acts. It is incident to birth in the country, or it is given personally by statute. The child of an alien, if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle.

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This is like saying a car is just as much a vehicle as a truck.

A true statement on it's face, but it doesn't make a car INTO a truck.

Wong Kim petitioned the court as a NATIVE born citizen. The court agreed he was such, but the finding made the distinction between natural-born and native born.

Had there BEEN no distinction, the finding would not have been worded as it was.

55 posted on 09/30/2011 5:35:50 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am ~Person~ as created by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Campion
Resident aliens are "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" legally.

Constitutionally, resident aliens are 'denizens' and are subject to the jurisdiction of the State in which they reside.

56 posted on 09/30/2011 5:43:53 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am ~Person~ as created by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as created by the laws of Man)
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To: iontheball
If it chooses,
,/a>What part of March 26, 1790 don't you understand?
Do you think today's Supreme Court is going to undo a LAW that was written by the Founding Fathers?
You jump the gun, too quickly. Slow down and read the post.
Don't just respond through emotion. That's what liberals do.
57 posted on 09/30/2011 5:44:56 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple: Fight or Die)
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To: MomofMarine
I'm glad you're enjoying it. I'm getting tired, and I need to go to bed and get some sleep.
Diabetes can be a real pain to my schedule.
Well in an honest society, I think that it would get settled.
BUT ... we're living in evil times, and today, only one side is even trying to be honest.
I don't think it will get solved today. Here's why.
I WISHED we could solve it, but I also wished that Democrats would have been honest about the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF.
I wished the Lame Stream Media wasn't so communistic in its agendas, and I wished they would have really vetted Obama.
It'll get worse before it gets better, but it WILL get better.
58 posted on 09/30/2011 5:58:16 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple: Fight or Die)
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To: MamaTexan
You're as sharp as the leading edge of a basketball.
Read the LAW again. Argue with it, not me.
59 posted on 09/30/2011 6:01:03 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple: Fight or Die)
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To: Yosemitest
If you have to depend on a LAW to determine your citizenship then you are not a natural born Citizen.
60 posted on 09/30/2011 11:10:14 AM PDT by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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