Posted on 10/05/2011 1:51:47 PM PDT by ToxicMich
In a former career when we faced having to lay off employees it was hardly based on seniority. It was an opportunity to get rid of folks that were not contributing to their fullest. It was the people who were always late. It was the people who were focused on getting every moment of time off they felt they deserved. It was the people who fought every change and who espoused conspiracies in the board room. It was the people who acted like business was run like The Apprentice. They gossiped and they torn things down instead of helping build things up.
Yeah, it might sound heartless, but if you are making those desicions I can assure you that when you have to get lean it is best to do it with people who understand the concept of team work and dedication to the common good rather than themselves.
I liked it. Until I realized that it totally undermines the argument that the high unemployment rate is a result of Obama’s disastrous policies.
Cain just said that if you are unemployed, it’s your own fault, not the government’s. That SHOULD mean that he also doesn’t think he can help the unemployed with better government policies.
But he clearly is for fixing things wrong in Washington, and has said that his tax plan will help get the economy growing and lower unemployment. So he contradicts himself when he says it’s your own fault if you aren’t employed.
As someone else said, context is everything. But still, I think there are enough unemployed freepers who are struggling that we shouldn’t just assume everybody who can’t get a job is just stupid, ignorant, or lazy.
It’s a hard argument for me to make though, because if an INDIVIDUAL comes to me and complains about being unemployed, I’m going to tell them how to get a job, and assume they can get one, even in this economy.
Heck, I’m working 3 jobs, 2 of which are just for fun. My daughter got one of the same fun jobs, and they were begging people to come work, so it’s not like it is all that hard.
That job is “haunt monster” at a theme park. Pay is bad but bigger than minimum wage, it’s only about 20-24 hours a weekend, but if you are a college kid that could work out, you can make a thousand bucks in a little over a month of work, and still hold down a regular job if you want.
But I think we miss an opportunity if we don’t point out that even well-qualified people are losing their jobs and having trouble replacing them because of the disastrous policies of Obama, beause of the crushing debt, and huge regulatory burdens imposed by the democrats.
All that being said, if someone asked ME about the stupid protesters in New York, I’d say exactly what he said. Stupid hippies.
“No but I do think its very HEARTLESS!”
Unfortunately ‘life’ is heartless.
Yes. And because you wouldn’t go out with me. But you went out with Bob from accounting. Who is laughing now?
Well boo hoo. Don’t hand me that garbage that poor are not at fault. Of course, in all respect, there are reasons as you mentioned, like health. But, that’s bull for the majority. I just watched a lazy, fat, dirty clothes, slob, with his live in, drop $386 on groceries at Walmart on Monday. Not a dime came out of her pocket. It was the free money credit card that welfare gives them. He reaked of smoke. Thus a big smoker. Didn’t appear to have taken a bath in days. They loaded this haul into a broken down piece of junk and drove off. Don’t tell me he was on his way to his job at the law office. Nope, they were headed home with the haul to feed the 15 kids they have that gets them this free haul. I did not come from a rich family. My father and mother were hard workers. My dad was a welder by profession. He worked his tail off. I went into the military and did a job for 20 years. The job skills I got there allowed me to leave and get a job on the outside. I have seen military people have to use welfare because in those days they did not pay enough for them to live on. But, even in those days, I did not take welfare. I could have. But, refused. My father told me if you can work, work. Take your wages and feed your family. Don’t expect the stinking government to do it. Now, millions look to the government for free money, so they can sit at home, smoke, drink, stuff their fat guts on gains from our pocket books. When you wake up and see what this world really is, you’ll be surprised.
I just wanted to let everyone know that I sent Mr. Cain’s team my question. I want to know why he abandoned (sp?) the FairTax and is now promoting adding a consumption tax to the income and corporate tax system. I even suggested that they come to FR and start posting for us to get the info directly...
We shalll see....
No, it doesn't imply that.
Not everyone can be in the 99th percentile of the IQ bell curve.
But you DO have to take the d@mn IQ test to get on the bell curve at all.
Ditto work. Not everyone can be Bill Gates, but everyone can earn enough to feed themselves (see tagline). Even Paul had to make & sell a tent once in a while.
I once dated a nurse whose rounds involved visiting homebound invalids. One character was profoundly bedridden; nonetheless, he managed to run a, um, profitable pharmaceutical distribution operation from his gurney. That convinced me anyone can do some job, some how, if only they put their mind to it.
Yes, there are a few people who are truly poor, and thru no fault of their own are unable to make ends meet. Fine; that's what Christian charity is about: helping the poor. Tithing (ten percent!) is, to great degree, about doing so. Donating time/resources is important. Help the less fortunate. Nobody is knocking the true legitimate poor.
What we ARE knocking are the "poor in attitude": those who willfully squander the opportunities given them, and nonetheless demand others care for them (see the OccupyWallStreet crowd and their "list of demands"). My attitude on the subject shifted when I was repairing a "poor" family's couch, and one of the kids at the same time tore out a screen from a window - then asked me to fix it; I then realized most poverty comes from willful self-destructive behavior, and my charitable generosity at that moment was facilitating it.
Sorry if Cain's comment wasn't thorough enough. In an ADD world, I'm amazed how many people think each soundbite should contain encyclopedic completeness. Of course a few are, truly, poor; they are few indeed.
BTW: most "rich" have personal stories which include losing everything - more than once.
Go tell her now that she is poor because she wants it that way. Good grief....
What about families who were, for generations, living in a town where there was only one employer who had to shut down the shop. Families stuck with mortgages on homes that have now no value. Go tell them to blame themselves.
A friend of hers went to Haiti with a group from the church and was appalled at the filth and trash that was everywhere. Plastic and glass bottles in the streets, polluted water, and trash everywhere. She went to the orphanage there and learned that parents who couldn’t find work just left their children there because they couldn’t afford to feed them.
Well, to make a long story short, she had a hobby of taking plastic bottles and cutting them into 1” strips then with heat and dye colored them and formed them into objects that she could then use for jewelry. She would take glass bottles and break them into small pieces and run them through a tumbler to make colored glass beads.
She stood at the door of the orphanage and offered $4 (which is a large wage there) a day to women who would learn to do the same thing in Haiti. She offered $1 a day to their children who were able to collect the bottles. She now has 30 families who have stayed together because of that and brings the finished jewelry here to the states to sell and the money goes back to Haiti to buy water purification systems.
She and my daughter are now pretty much full time trying to expand that business. Teaching self sufficiency to my daughter paid of well.
What, she’s gonna sit there doing nothing? no preps made knowing he was on his way out? just “woe is me, it’s over”? At youngest, the oldest kid is over 10 (most likely in teens) - time to start contributing in earnest to household functions if not bringing income. When my metabolic continuation was in doubt, I made arrangements for “just in case”; your example demands the same. My 3-year-old is already learning to cook and clean. Kids can pitch in to help. I’m not saying it will be a comfortable life, but if she doesn’t figure it out and get herself & offspring busy, there won’t be any to continue. Good grief...
As for the second example? MOVE. Mortgages? that scenario is exactly why they’re a bad idea. Nonetheless, file the appropriate paperwork and get a bus ticket to someplace that’s happening. I moved a thousand miles with no known prospects, worked it out and now doing ok. Google “free land” and “Tumbleweed homes” for extreme viable options.
Both your examples indeed exhibit “yes, it’s your fault”. They knew what was coming, and didn’t take action to avert disaster. When disaster happens, there are still options. Life is hard. $#!^ happens. Plan for contingencies. Cope. Assess where you are and move on.
If there truly is need, there is family and friends and church to lean on for assistance (yes, I do my part therein - and my tagline is one of those parts). The issue isn’t so much whether someone _is_ poor, because sometimes “life happens” and events conspire to bring you down; the issue is whether someone _stays_ poor, refusing to tenaciously pursue the multitude of opportunities available.
Very nice. Great example. Standing in a true cesspool of poverty, she took literal trash and with creativity & industry & marketing started a business and created profitable jobs AND gets enough “corporate profit” to fund charitable capital. Thank you for that story; I’ll relay it.
And to think these “poor jobless” #OccupyWallStreet types express their hopelessness via tweets from iPhones (when they could be starting & running businesses with the same equipment).
The trouble is that with the money-based kind of “rich” that Cain was actually implying (it was in the context of the Wall Street protests), there is no top. Bill Gates could look at Herman Cain and say ha, you’re not rich, sir.
“There are many reasons why somebody can be poor without having anything to do with their will.”
Wrong. Being poor is a state of mind, but being broke is a temporary economic hardship.....Poor people will always be poor because they do poor people stuff, broke people will behave in ways that will some day lead to being wealthy.
“That SHOULD mean that he also doesn’t think he can help the unemployed with better government policies.”
Well, that is precisely true. The only thing that ANY government policy can do is destroy employment. When meddling in the market occurs, devestation is the result. The best thing any candidate could say is that they would work to get the feds out of our way!
But “getting government out of our way” is precisely the GOVERNMENT POLICY we need. It’s not what we have today. It’s what our candidates need to say they will do, not “everything is fine and if you don’t have a job it’s your own fault”.
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