Skip to comments.Is GOP missing chance to grow? (Hispanic vote)
Posted on 11/19/2011 2:09:29 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
...You would be surprised at how many Republican Latinos there actually are in the state of Nevada. There are quite a few of us, said Alex Garza, a Hispanic Republican activist. I think the numbers are there; we just havent organized as well as the Democratic Latino organizations.
The potential political power of Latinos is an oft-told story in Nevada and elsewhere, though any happy ending at the polls usually is enjoyed by Democrats.
...During the Republican presidential candidates nationally televised debate in Las Vegas last month, they were asked how they would speak to the Latino community. Newt Gingrich suggested that Latinos didnt need to be singled out as any different from any other ethnic group. But Rick Santorum suggested Latinos should naturally gravitate toward the Republican Party because of shared faith-based values.
That message resonates with some Latinos.
The Republican Party has very, very strong family values ... Latino families in general believe in the family values as well, said Jose Hernandez, an accountant who serves as a youth pastor at his evangelical church with a mostly Latino group of 18- to 30-year-olds he counsels.
My youth that I teach, obviously Im teaching them Biblical principles and stuff, but then outside, I introduce them to the subject ... and by doing that Im actually getting people to start coming around and thinking that the Republican agenda actually has better options than President Obama and the Senate, he said. If theyre learning good Christian values, they will vote Republican.
Catching the youth is key any effort to gain support in the community. Nationwide, every month, 50,000 Latinos turn 18 and become eligible to vote.
Cantu and Garza say the party is working on it but could use funding and assistance from the greater Nevada GOP...
(Excerpt) Read more at lasvegassun.com ...
Gov Rick Perry spoke to LaRaza about the drug cartels, shared responsibility of border security and that it is Washington's responsibility to secure the border -- that the Federal government should support the military, deliver the mail and secure the border -- and they aren't doing their job. [HE RECEIVED a lot of applause] He spoke of the money Texas spends securing the border, that it must be sealed and then we can sustain legitimate commerce...He told about protecting the sanctity of the vote and strengthening our shared values, family, faith, hard work -- they are TEXAS values and we should unite as citizen's of one Nation under God and concentrate on what unites us. He told his Cuervo joke and they found it funny unlike the Liberal Latino Leaders Give Perry Lukewarm Response (or more likely they'd heard it before)
Nov. 18, 2011:
NEW YORKRepublican presidential hopeful Rick Perry says President Barack Obama and his administration are responsible for policies that have endangered agents patrolling the U.S.-Mexico border.
The Texas governor made his remarks while picking up an award from the Federal Law Enforcement Foundation.
Perry said lack of funding and “bureaucratic bungling” in Washington have made the border less safe.
He singled out one program in particular, Operation Fast and Furious. The arms-trafficking probe run by the Justice Department allowed AK-47s and other weapons to leak into the black market.
To say that the border is safer than ever is to turn a blind eye to the very real dangers of federal and state law enforcement, Perry said. Even worse he sweeps aside the fact there is bureaucratic bungling that has made the border substantially more dangerous. Through the ill-conceived operation know as fast and furious, for instance, our own federal government provided more than 2,000 firearms to some of the most dangerous criminals in North America, many of which are still unaccounted for. Federal law enforcement officials deserve an attorney general who displays the same courage and sense of responsibility with which they serve. And America deserves a president and a Congress willing to give law enforcement officials the support they need to truly support our border.
...Perry, who was at the Waldorf Astoria event to receive the groups State Service Award, often laments the dangers presented by drug cartels and describes parts of the border as a war zone.
On Friday, he reiterated that sentiment, saying, Mexican drug cartels are a clear and present danger to America.
Perry got an enthusiastic reception for his proposals for smaller government and for his assertion that members of Congress who use privileged information in stock dealings should be treated like criminals.
Any congressman or senator whos used their insider knowledge to trade, to make money in the stock market oughta go to jail, period, he said to applause.
NRO: Perry Criticizes Administration Over Fast and Furious
....Perry pledged that if elected, he would increase by thousands the number of border patrol agents on the border, and use aviation assets to provide real-time information to those on the ground. We must secure that border, he emphasized.
Perry also touted his new Uproot and Overhaul Washington plan, particularly its elimination of lifetime terms for Supreme Court justices and its plank to cut congressional members pay in half and push for a part-time Congress. In our home state, our legislature meets for 140 days, every other year, he argued, noting that if a nation, Texas would be the worlds 13th largest economy....
Nationwide, every month, 50,000 Latinos turn 18 and become eligible to vote.
Wow! I know that Sharron Angle lost the Latino vote in Nevada, in part, by telling a large group of Latino youth “You look Asian to me.” If the GOP does not make a concerted effort to reach the Latino community, which does have some basic Conservative values, we will be the minority party from here to eternity.
What is the Cuervo joke?
I know how to reach the Latino vote.
Let’s build a wall between United States and Mexico.
That’ll do it.
Gov. Rick Perry is calling for a conservative ascendancy and it is directed to ALL American voters. If the Dems get this block they will win in 2012 and then that will be all she wrote for the U.S.A. If the Dems can pull in enough American Hispanic voters - teach them to be dependent and anti-conservative/anti-free-market capitalists - they will own them like they own the black vote.
And for the "LaRa Rick" crowd, it took Gov. Perry 6 years to get PHOTO-voter ID in Texas but he did it.
And check out these numbers:
...”Perry then played to the crowd as best he could, and mentioned the Latinos hes appointed to office, including Secretary of State Esperanza Hope Andrade, Texas Supreme Court Justice Eva Guzman and Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission Director José Cuevas.
That is the right job for that man, Perry said in reference to Cuevas name. The comment drew some light chuckles.”.....
The man Rick Perry appointed Texas Chief Justice Wallace Jefferson -- a good example of the caliber and character of leaders Gov. Perry surrounds himself with unlike Obama who appoints and defends appointments such as U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder.
The GOP will never get a majority vote. GW Bush sold us out completely for a short term gain at a massive long term loss. He flooded the nation with immigrants for cheap labor for his buddies, and leaving us with people who will vote Democrat for the next 50 years.
2012 will be ours (WH, House of Rep, Senate, State Houses, Governors) if we don’t shoot ourselves in the foot.
Marco Rubio as VP will solve this over night plain and simple
“The GOP will never get a majority vote. GW Bush sold us out completely for a short term gain at a massive long term loss. He flooded the nation with immigrants for cheap labor for his buddies, and leaving us with people who will vote Democrat for the next 50 years.”
The “Hispanic vote”, like Hispanic people, are a lot more diverse than the “media” would have you believe. They are at least a vote that CAN be gained, unlike the blacks where any non-Dem is istantly marginalized/lynched by the bought-and-paid-for leadership. While blacks continue to live on handouts from the white Dem masters, some Hispanics are moving into the middle class and voting accordingly. They are also more family-oriented - Hispanic Dems in NY prevented Governor Paterson from passing “gay marriage” a few years back. Some Hispanics are permanent wards of the welfare state, while others are hard-working capitalists; they allow “diversity”, and aren’t owned by a few high-profile house slaves as the blacks are.
The most significant factor often ignored is the tension between blacks and Hispanics; they are hardly a “unified coalition of color”.
30 million illegals create nearly 50 congressional districts by their mere presence. (Census counts) We can talk a big game about shrinking government but it doesn’t mean much if we increase the numbers of democrat voters.
The fact is that the hispanic vote is no more monolithic than the white vote. There are plenty of American hispanics that will vote republican anyway and going out of our way to pander doesn’t impress them.
Oh, good. Another article about racist latinos that see themselves as something other than Americans first.
More Rick Perry desperation. Yawn. SSDE. Just say no to hispandering. It’s a sucker play.
Com'on, have a heart. Rick Perry sez so.
I suggest the forum read the article and not believe your comment. It seems you, like a few other who have just flocked to this thread, want to drive conservatives to the Democratic Party ballot. Interesting.
GOP Hispanics will not turn out for Romney:
That's -- I'm running for office, for Pete's sake, I can't have illegals. [video clip] -- Mitt Romney, GOP presidential debate - October 18, 2011 - Las Vegas, NV
Rudy Giuliani asked Mitt Romney the same question in the 2008 CNN debate that Rick Perry asked him during the CNN 2011 debate -- Mitt lost it both times.
Nov 28, 2008 CNN-YouTube Debate: Sound familiar? [LOOK who interrupts whom!!]
Funny Accent Mitt Romney, discussing reports illegal immigrants did landscaping at his home: It would "not be American" to check workers' papers simply because they have a "funny accent." [acknowledges need for giving health care and education to illegals]
Sound familiar? Mike Huckabee, replying to Romney's criticism of providing college scholarships to children of illegal immigrants: "In all due respect, we are a better country than to punish children for what their parents did."
At the same debate: John McCain: "We must recognize these are God's children as well. ... I will enforce the borders first. But we won't demagogue it." June 13, 2011 CNN Debate:
GINGRICH: No, but let me say this, John. No serious citizen who's concerned about solving this problem should get trapped into a yes/no answer in which you're either for totally selling out protecting America or you're for totally kicking out 20 million people in a heartless way. There are -- there are humane, practical steps to solve this problem, if we can get the politicians and the news media to just deal with it honestly.
Betting on Rick Perry - a winner in a GOP year, with no need in the world to win liberal approval ..IT WILL BE THE JOBS ISSUEand Texass record in creating themthat will define Rick Perrys presidential run. Since he became governor in 2001, the U.S. as a whole has had a net loss of private-sector jobs, while Texaswhich has only 8 percent of the nations populationhas had a net gain of 825,000 jobs.
Richard Fisher, president of the Dallas Federal Reserve Board, told me that if you look at the number of jobs created since the recession technically ended in June 2009, Texas has accounted for 48 percent of net new jobs created in the U.S.
Fisher also disparages claims that the jobs are all low-paying jobs at McDonalds or Walmart, paying the minimum wage, or that they were primarily caused by the oil and natural gas boom. According to Tom Pauken of the Texas Work Force Commission, the annual median wage in Texas in 2010 for all occupations was $31,500 a year, only 7 percent below the national average. That difference is easily explained by the fact that Texas has a younger workforce than most states and a higher percentage of workers in lower-pay agriculture jobs near the border with Mexico. [ CW: Cost of living in Texas is lower than many other states; Texas has no state income tax; Texas is a right to work state.]
As for where the job growth has been, three sectors of the economy have grown faster than the energy sector, which alone added 40,500 net new jobs in 2010. Last year, Texas added 57,900 new jobs in trade, transportation, and utilities; a total of 53,400 jobs in professional and business services; and 44,900 net new jobs in the hospitality industry.
For each of the past seven years, CEOs polled by Chief Executive magazine have rated Texas first in the nation for economic development climate and job growth. What is the secret of Texass success? Rick Perry isnt shy about his answer. Its all about four points, he told me. First, dont spend all the money. Keep the taxes low and under control. Have regulations that are fair and predictable so business owners know what to expect from one quarter to the next. And reform the legal system so that frivolous lawsuits dont paralyze employers who are trying to create real wealth.
If there is on issue which Perry has made a personal crusade, it is lawsuit reform. Working with the legislature, he has helped pass curbs on frivolous lawsuits, implemented a first-in-the-nation system under which loser pays all court costs in many lawsuits, and reformed medical malpractice law.
Dick Weekley, the co-founder of Texans for Lawsuit Reform, says Perry showed genuine political courage in resisting calls for watered-down reforms that wouldnt have addressed the core problem. He recalls that in 2002 Perry vetoed a bill strongly supported by doctors that would have required them to prompt payment from health maintenance organizations. In the eyes of the tort reform advocates, the bill was a Trojan Horse compromise negotiated between doctors and trial lawyers. There was a huge response from physicians [against the veto], Kim Ross, the former top lobbyist for the Texas Medical Association, said. TMA went so far as to endorse Tony Sanchez, Perrys millionaire Democratic opponent in the 2002 election. Perry sent a signal that he wanted real reform and would stand his ground, Weekley told me. Soon the medical lobbyists playing footsie with the trial lawyers were gone and the obstacles to real reform started falling. ..
AND now the TMA is endorsing Gov. Rick Perry. They understand now what he was doing would HELP them.
...."The Texas Medical Associations political action committee recently endorsed him for president, and its members are helping him raise money and make connections with medical groups in other states.".... source
You would be surprised at how illiterate these people are. I live next door to a house that has 5 families living in it. Many of my friends are illegals. They are all corrupt, you pay for jobs, and if you are white, you pay more.
These people dont care about America, they care about Hispanics. They are racist, They claim to have an agenda, but that agenda is not for America, it is for the Hispanics.
When we hear people like Perry tout the possible citizenship for illegal immigrants, you fail to let people know that these people could not and can not apply for citizenship because they are just too damn stupid, never having completed their education.
My friend, Luis, is an illegal alien. He has his plus moments as when he observed my 3 year old daughter talking to her imaginary friends. Luis told me that young people can see angels. But then Luis tells me about his encounter on a remote road where his ex is performing sex with the devil. I wont go into detail here, but it was graphic.
Keep up your support for Perry, no one else will.
Who is your candidate?
Sure. I guess it hasn't dawned you you and your ilk yet that you are being played by the progressives any time you support latinos over Americans. People who live in the U.S. and identify themselves as anything other than American are playing the mulch-cultural ism card along with the race card.
I don't identify myself as a Polish-American or a German-American. Why should I? Yet, these people are all too willing to use their 'race' to garner favor and special rights = and you play along. Since when did conservatism get co-opted by the race baiters?
Call yourself a conservative if you want but you reveal YOUR liberal bent by giving credence to the separation of U.S. citizens by hyphenating them into groups. This the basic strategy of the liberal/progressive movement. By compartmentalizing Americans they can promise little things to each group to get their vote.
The Republican Party has very, very strong family values ... Latino families in general believe in the family values as well, said Jose Hernandez...
Yeah, right. I know of many "family values" hispanic men who have a wife in a foreign country and one here - along with bastard children from other women. Don't know many WHITE American men like that.
>There has been a record number of deportations, Cantu said. That tells me he doesnt care.
Well, well, well. Now we get to the heart of this issue. It's all about hispanic immigration. Because we all know that only hispanics want to immigrate to the U.S., don't we. To HELL with anyone else who wants to come here for a better life. And, you have the nerve to support this blatant ethnic preference for hispanic immigrants, along with Perry, and then chastise me, and others like me, for standing up against it.
Ellis, meanwhile, changed her registration to independent and her tone to one of concerned criticism at how the party she loves is speaking to Latinos.
"Speaking to latinos"? How could you get any more racist than that? Why SHOULD a republican candidate "speak to latinos" any differently than he would an American? When will you stop supporting this crap and stand up as an American and decry the balkanization of the citizens of this country? Or, are you FOR it? As Perry seems to be.
Newt Gingrich suggested that Latinos didnt need to be singled out as any different from any other ethnic group.
I bet that ticks you off to no end, doesn't it? Gingrich is right but that would mean equality for all who want to come here and equality for all under the law - not the special rights and interests called the "latinos". Can't have that, can we?
I suggest the forum read the article...
Yes, forum, go read the article and add your own instances of racism from the article to this thread. I just pulled out a couple.
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Hardly. Conservativism, with exception of Virginia, just took a big hit across the country just a few weeks ago. Personally, I’m convinced the nation is lost.
City Journal, by Heather Mac Donald
Runaway illegitimacy is creating a new U.S. underclass.
Unless the life chances of children raised by single mothers suddenly improve, the explosive growth of the U.S. Hispanic population over the next couple of decades does not bode well for American social stability. Hispanic immigrants bring nearThird World levels of fertility to America, coupled with what were once thought to be First World levels of illegitimacy. (In fact, family breakdown is higher in many Hispanic countries than here.) Nearly half of the children born to Hispanic mothers in the U.S. are born out of wedlock, a proportion that has been increasing rapidly with no signs of slowing down. Given what psychologists and sociologists now know about the much higher likelihood of social pathology among those who grow up in single-mother households, the Hispanic baby boom is certain to produce more juvenile delinquents, more school failure, more welfare use, and more teen pregnancy in the future.
Hispanic women have the highest unmarried birthrate in the countryover three times that of whites and Asians, and nearly one and a half times that of black women, according to the Centers for Disease Control.
I could tell similar disgusting stories of livng in Arizona, encountering amd witnessing blatantly extreme racism and hate, openly and very vocally expressed in the workplace and in public.
The groups and individuals involved were NEVER held accountable, they were ALWAYS excused or coddled by both public officials, government employees, and workplace management.
No conservative politician should be talking to a genocidal hate group like La Raza, for any reason.
Where have we heard that before, aside from it being Obama's campaign slogan in 2008?
It's what La Raza Rick Perry said when he went to Mexico in 2001 to brag about his great accomplishment of giving taxpayer funded subsidies to ILLEGAL aliens in Texas.
The message is simple, La Raza Rick said, educacion es el futuro, y si se puede.
Why is Rick Perry replicating the same losing message of McCain? Why does Rick Perry oppose E-Verify? Why is Rick Perry giving special higher education perks to illegals over U.S. Citizens? Why is Rick Perry engaging in the form of soft racism called hispandering? Why isn’t Rick Perry gaining traction after pushing out “his” energy and tax “reform” plans? After all, it’s been a month now and he’s still trailing the crazy uncle Ron Paul and running with the republican back packers. I’ll tell you why- Conservatives have been stung too many times by frauds like Perry full of conservative
rhetoric yet woefully lacking in conservative actions. Perry simply has no credibility as a conservative and his dismal showing, despite millions spent in retail ads, bear that out.
You won’t get the Hispanic vote by appealing to the racism of their race tribe leaders like Leftists do - like putting them above the law as Perry did with his in-state tution program. You won’t get the hispanic vote by lifting up LaRaza who directs them based on skin separation and tribal hatreds as Perry promotes when he gives LaRaza his attention. That’s like speaking to the KKK for the “white vote.” That is what the left does and if they settle in that mentality, they will always vote racist (democrat) and always be in poverty - like black racists are.
You will get the Hispanic vote by addressing them as unhyphenated Americans who share America’s values within the culture and the ideology of constitutional freedom. Equality before the law and, in general, the rule of law is central to American freedom as is unity and idenity beyond foreign race tribe.
I don’t want the Hispanic vote if that means placing the tribe above the rule of law and giving them unconstitutional foreign tribal preferences over the rights and interests of Americans. If that is what they want, they are Democrats. And if that is what you want to give to them as a leader, you are a Democrat. But from my experience, with the exception of leftists, that is not what American Hispanics want when presented with freedom’s ideology and values as a choice to the left’s racism.
Lawlessness is what illegals and their abettors want and I want them out of my country. Not so with Perry, unfortunately.
Nice rant but save it for someone else.
Gov. Perry doesn’t pander.
Again, nice rant.
I see the “put Obama back in office for 4 more years” posters are out in force.
I resent that bunch of BS. I never am "played" and I do not support any group over another. I detest identity politics but then you know that and are using your comments as a way to discredit me ("play" the emotions of other FReepers) and shut me up.
Still looking for your candidate South40?
Let us know when you figure it out.
If “latinos”, whatever that means, don’t vote republican because republicans are sick of the latin american invasion, then screw them. They can go live on the Democratic plantations where they belong with the other racists.
I can always count on your twisted interpretation of an article. Thanks for not disappointing.
The more voters see of La Raza Rick the more he repels them.
Right. That's why you posted this thread about "identity politics"
...Perry then played to the crowd as best he could, and mentioned the Latinos hes appointed to office, including Secretary of State Esperanza Hope Andrade, Texas Supreme Court Justice Eva Guzman and Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission Director José Cuevas.
Nope. NO identity politics there....
Great comments Sara.
Nope. NO identity politics there....
La Raza Rick Perry has made a career of pandering to ILLEGAL aliens. That may have played well in his home state of Texas but conservatives and Republicans across America see it for what it is; it is why Perry is polling in single digits and still dropping.
Rubio is NOT a natural born Citizen.
Why should conservatives settle for a hispandering, big government nanny statist who engages in taxpayer funded corporate pay to play welfare? That's the real Perry legacy, not his media blitz image of true blue conservatism made from whole cloth out of a ghost written book.
Why should any conservative knowingly vote for a fraud to defeat another fraud?
” You will get the Hispanic vote by addressing them as unhyphenated Americans who share Americas values within the culture and the ideology of constitutional freedom. Equality before the law and, in general, the rule of law is central to American freedom as is unity and idenity beyond foreign race tribe.
I dont want the Hispanic vote if that means placing the tribe above the rule of law and giving them unconstitutional foreign tribal preferences over the rights and interests of Americans. If that is what they want, they are Democrats. And if that is what you want to give to them as a leader, you are a Democrat. But from my experience, with the exception of leftists, that is not what American Hispanics want when presented with freedoms ideology and values as a choice to the lefts racism.
Lawlessness is what illegals and their abettors want and I want them out of my country. Not so with Perry, unfortunately. “
Another Sara Johnson classic. Pure reason, No B.S.
"GINGRICH: No, but let me say this, John. No serious citizen who's concerned about solving this problem should get trapped into a yes/no answer in which you're either for totally selling out protecting America or you're for totally kicking out 20 million people in a heartless way. There are -- there are humane, practical steps to solve this problem, if we can get the politicians and the news media to just deal with it honestly."June 2011 Debate Transcript
I told him to remember that I'm an Independent Conservative. We can vote for any ballot we want to in AZ. He's very comfortable with that.
The GOP won't win disenchanted Latinos. Karl Rove and other moderate weenies fouling the well will assure that.
Conservatives will win the Latino vote, because when they re-examin their values, they are us.
My "Latino" family who worked their butts off to become legal citizens want the moat with alligators, electric fence and snipers, too.
Illegal immigration is an insult to all hard working Americans including Latinos.
Screw the criminals...