Posted on 11/26/2011 7:21:46 AM PST by greyfoxx39
Early and volatile, the Republican Presidential nomination race—at least for now—appears to be settling into a contest between consistent front runner Mitt Romney and the latest surging “non-Romney alternative,” former House Speaker, Newt Gingrich.
Unfortunately, the CNN/Heritage Foundation/American Enterprise televised debate of 11/22/11 did not highlight the yawning gap between these frontrunning contenders’ views on the existential threat doctrine of our Islamic enemies: jihad and its motivational, sacralized religio-political “law,” Sharia.
During an interview with US News reporter Dan Gligoff published June 3, 2009, Mitt Romney offered the following bizarre observation about the living Islamic institution of jihad, ostensibly to “clarify” remarks made during an earlier speech at the Heritage Foundation:
I spoke about three major threats America faces on a long term basis. Jihadism is one of them, and that is not Islam.
Romney—notwithstanding this distressingly ridiculous pronouncement—remains, for now, the frontrunning contender for the Republican Presidential nomination.
Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, in stark contrast to the muddled and craven nonsense uttered by Romney on jihad during his US News interview, delivered an astute and courageous address at The American Enterprise Institute, July 29, 2010, which provided an irrefragably accurate if blunt characterization of the existential threat posed by Islam’s living, self-professed mission: to impose Sharia, its totalitarian religio-political “law,” globally.
With vanishingly rare intellectual honesty and resolve, Gingrich described how normative Sharia—antithetical to bedrock Western legal principles—by “divine,” immutable diktat, rejects freedom of conscience, while sanctioning violent jihadism, absurd, misogynistic “rules of evidence” (four male witnesses for rape), barbarous punishments (stoning for adultery), and polygamy:
Sharia in its natural form has principles and punishments totally abhorrent to the Western world, and the underlying basic belief which is that law comes directly from God and is therefore imposed upon humans and no human can change the law without it being an act of apostasy is a fundamental violation of a tradition in the Western system which goes back to Rome, Athens, and Jerusalem and which has evolved in giving us freedom across the planet on a scale we can hardly imagine and which is now directly threatened by those who would impose it.
Moreover, Gingrich warned about efforts—deliberate, or unwitting–to represent Sharia as a benign system:
So let me also be quite clear that the rules are radical and horrific. I think again it’s fascinating that even when people go out and do polling and they say to, for example, Muslims in general, do you believe in Sharia, they don’t then explain what Sharia is. Sharia becomes like would you like to be a Rotarian and it sounds okay.
Gingrich’s unflinching portrayal of the existential threat Sharia represents—whether or not this totalitarian system is imposed by violent, or non-violent means—was accompanied by a clarion call for concrete measures to oppose any Sharia encroachment on the U.S. legal code:
Stealth jihadis use political, cultural, societal, religious, intellectual tools; violent jihadis use violence. But in fact they’re both engaged in jihad and they’re both seeking to impose the same end state which is to replace Western civilization with a [radical] imposition of Sharia.
The fight against Sharia and the madrassas in mosques which teach hatred and fanaticism is the heart of the enemy movement from which the terrorists spring forth. It’s time we had a national debate on this. One of the things I’m going to suggest today is a federal law which says no court anywhere in the United States under any circumstance is allowed to consider Sharia as a replacement for American law.
Subsequently, J. Mark Campbell of The United West obtained a video-recorded commitment from Newt Gingrich to pursue and prosecute the major Muslim Brotherhood front groups currently operating unencumbered in the US and being courted for “Muslim outreach” by feckless politicians, policymakers, and even law enforcement officials.
The Holy Land Foundation trial made unmistakably clear the agenda of this spider’s web of Muslim Brotherhood organizations—which includes unindicted co-conspirators CAIR (Council on American Islamic Relations), ISNA (Islamic Society of North America), and NAIT (North American Islamic Trust)—as stated explicitly by Yusuf al-Qaradawi acolyte Mohamed Akram, in his “An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Brotherhood in North America”, May 22, 1991 (translated here, on “Page 7 of 18,” bottom center pagination):
The process of settlement is a “Civilization-Jihadist Process” with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and by the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.
“Frontrunner” Mitt Romney needs to provide the same unequivocal commitment, immediately, to this critically important national security goal in the struggle against jihadism.
Newt Gingrich has set the standard for honest and informed discussion of Islamic totalitarianism which should be expected of all contenders—a standard Mitt Romney, thus far, fails, miserably.
“”””they can’t even the acknowledge simple truths””””
They aren’t told the truth, and that is why it was said they are not much differant than Islam. Much at this site, put in Favorites and read, it will take you several days. Lots of former LDS speaking out.
http://1857massacre.com/MMM/mormon_underwear.htm
What has been said that is a lie? FR posters opposed to mormonISM post links to lds sites, to articles written by lds members, IE provide evidence.
Show a lie about lds/mormonISM that have been posted on FR that you can counter.
Geez, put your specs on and read, for heaven sakes. I said the poster was lying about my being a Mormon, when I am a Catholic, you dunderhead. Good grief, time to go get on a sane thread, and this isn’t one of them. Au revoir.
Not necessarily so dragon....though it's a frustrating endeavor at times...there are some who God has set their hearts to know what really is the truth and it is those who see these threads and consider when they see the truth. It is his work to wake them out of their darkness....
Amazingly they all attempt to return here knowing quite well how Mormonism is viewed.....so what's the attraction ? When truth is revealed it alone attracts even when some might fight against it...like those sitting in a pew holding on tightly when an invitation is given...until their knuckles turn white. We have those here from time to time...white knuckles and all...but they are at the very least exposed to the truth and in God's timing will yield to it as He moves within them to see....for blindess is removed by the hand of God ....and we do pray that the blinders will fall away before it's too late.
Exposing the blasphemies and heresies at the heart of Mormonism is defined as hatefest by you poor deluded souls. Yet you still do not awaken to the truths shared over and over and over with you.
Cults you must make a decision soon, many in the threads like this are simply trying to HELP you. If you refuse to be enlightened to the true WORD of G-d, well, I'm just sorry for you. G-d will not be mocked, and there is only one way to him through Jesus Christ and not a Joseph Smith or B. Young or any other nonsense speaking anti christ. The true WORD of G-d gospel has been around for over 2000 years, HE don't need any help with a fantasy book made up by some criminal.
Nothing to do with conceit flaglady...rather confidence in the power and heart of the Almighty.. that He can and does go after His lost sheep and brings them back to His flock when they have been led astray...for he Truly cares for them and will be relentless at bringing them out of the thicket. He is not called “the hound of heaven” for nothing.
Most of those who have dealt with people caught in the darkness of false teachings and occults, yes, can identify when an individual is or not receptive to God’s leading them out...and the truth. Some are closer than others.
Buzz off sickos. I’m on another sane thread now, and don’t wish to revisit this one again, so this is goodbye, if you understand the concept of that word.
And what lies are those? Since actual words and scripture are used I assume you mean the lies of the LDS.
Glad you are starting to see the light...
"We may talk of men being redeemed by the efficacy of his [Christ's] blood; but the truth is that that blood has no efficacy to wash away our sins. That must depend upon our own action." [ LDS Apostle Amasa M. Lyman, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 299, 1859]
Given this mormonic teaching that is the very essence of Antichrist, it is still amazing how much LDS inc apologists want folks to believe LDS inc is Christianity restored! MormonISM is the very essence of slick anti-Christ inveigling, and the promoters of this anti-Christian religion will continue to be exposed and opposed so long as Christians are not squelched by the political correctness approach inherent in the lie that exposing mormonISM is hate or hatred of the people trapped in this demonic cult.
The following will clarify why the Journal of Discourses can be seen as a reflection of Mormonic beliefs:
“The Journal of Discourses deservedly ranks as one of the standard works of the Church, and every rightminded Saint will certainly welcome with joy every number (issue) as it comes forth.“ (President George Q. Cannon, Journal of Discourses, Preface, Volume 8.)“Each successive Volume of these Discourses is a rich mine of wealth, containing gems of great value, and the diligent seeker will find ample reward for his labor. After the fathers and mothers of this generation have made them the study of their lives their children’s children will find that they are still unexhausted, and rejoice that this Record has been handed down from their fathers to also aid them in following the way of life .” (Apostle Orson Pratt, Preface. Volume 3.)
“It is impossible to give monetary value to the past volumes of this publication, … Those who read the utterances of the servants of God, contained in this book, under the same influence by which the speakers were inspired, cannot fail to receive profit from the perusal.” (President Joseph F. Smith, Preface, Volume 18.)
“We take great pleasure in presenting to the Saints and the world the … the Journal of Discourses, which they will find contains rich treasures of information concerning the glorious principles of Eternal Life, as revealed through God’s anointed servants in these last days. All who read the discourses contained in this Volume are earnestly recommended to adapt them to their lives by practice, and we can confidently assure them that, in doing so, they are laying up a store of knowledge that will save and exalt them in the Celestial kingdom.” (Apostle Albert Carrington, Journal of Discourses, Preface, Volume 15.)
As a good Catholic you are aware that Mormonism claims through the years that ALL of Christendom (all those centuries when The Catholic Church was protector of Christian teaching) was in apostasy since the second century until Joseph Smith supposedly restored ‘true christianity’ to the human family:
And the following are but a few examples of the heresies at the heart of Mormonism:
First, reagrding the Mormonic god the father and his having earned the attributes of godhood after being sired by a still older god, etc:
"We were begotten by our Father in Heaven; the person of our Father in Heaven was begotten on a previous heavenly world by His Father; and again, He was begotten by a still more ancient Father; and so on, from generation to generation, ... we wonder in our minds, how far back the genealogy extends, and how the first world was formed, and the first father was begotten" (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p.132)."Some people are troubled over the statements of the Prophet Joseph Smith.... The matter that seems such a mystery is the statement that our Father in heaven at one time passed through a life and death and is an exalted man. This is one of the mysteries.... The Prophet taught that our Father had a Father and so on. Is not this a reasonable thought, especially when we remember that the promises are made to us that we may become like him?" (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp.10, 12).
And now a little drek regarding the Mormonic nature of the Mormon jesus:
"Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana of Galilee...We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into relation whereby he could see his seed [children] before he was crucified (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 82)."There was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and on a careful reading of that transaction, it will be discovered that non less a person that Jesus Christ was married on that occasion. If he was never married, his intimacy with Mary and Martha an the other Mary also whom Jesus loved, must have been highly unbecoming and improper to say the best of it." (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 259).
"In the Church councils, it was spoken of: "Joseph F. Smith_ He spoke upon the marriage in Cana of Galilee. He thought Jesus was the bridegroom and Mary and Martha the brides."(Journal of Wilford Woodruff, July 22, 1883).
"The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were Mormons (Jedediah Grant, Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 346)
. "One thing is certain, that there were several holy women that great loved Jesus, such as Mary and Martha her sister, and Mary Magdalene; and Jesus greatly loved them and associated with the much; and when he arose from the dead, instead of first showing himself to his chosen witnesses, the Apostles, He appeared first to these women, or at least to one of them--namely, Mary Magdalene. Now, it would be very natural for a husband in the resurrection to appear first to his own dear wives, and afterwards show himself to his other friends. If all the acts of Jesus were written, we no doubt should learn that these beloved women were his wives." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 159).
Perhaps the few quotes I've offered can instruct you as to why The Catholic Chruch does not recognize Mormonic baptism ... Mormonism is not Christianity and teaches the antithesis of Christianity. As a 'good Catholic' do you still want to defend that drek? I'm referring specifically to the blasphemies and heretical teachings of MormonISM, not the poor souls caught in the demonic drek. If you have no love for their souls, so be it, but at least know why The Catholic Church does not recognize Mormon ISM as Cristianity.
That's true...they resist at great lengths and part of the process in which they are being led out....that's of course why these teachings and practices of Mormoinsm are "strongholds"...the enemy of men's souls does not let loose easily...sometimes it's a chipping away of the walls of deception and other times it's breaking thru the false-front some hide behind.....and sometimes both at once.
Sadly some will never yield to the truth nor to Gods hands moving their hearts and minds....they of course will one day find themselves lost forever...and more than a sad day for that once they yield to the great deception yet to come... which Mormonism is a taste of just how deceptive those times will be.
You’re Catholic? And you defended the LDS so?
Wow now I have seen everything....
You’re Catholic? And you defended the LDS so?
Wow now I have seen everything....
Given this mormonic teaching that is the very essence of Antichrist, it is still amazing how much LDS inc apologists want folks to believe LDS inc is Christianity restored! MormonISM is the very essence of slick anti-Christ inveigling, and the promoters of this anti-Christian religion will continue to be exposed and opposed so long as Christians are not squelched by the political correctness approach inherent in the lie that exposing mormonISM is hate or hatred of the people trapped in this demonic cult.
Good post...worth repeating this portion to eyes which might see.
Well that does make a statment. Bye.
The word jackals comes to mind, if you know what I mean.
How intriguing that you state you are a Catholic and yet have a rabid defense of mormonISM. Your defense of mormonISM and its anti-Christian beginnings IE “Catholics and Christians are whores of Babylon and an abomination”, really stretches the bounds of credulity.
Yes Christ did say there was only ‘one way’...the problem is the enemy of men’s souls delights in creating counterfeits of that way and has infiltrated his deceptions vastly across this nation..and world for that matter....
With this we also know that “narrow is the way and few who find it”....in today’s world people are unable to identify falsehoods for that which once would never have been tolerated..in fact condemend...is now commonplace and easily accepted as the norm. It’s a vast decpetion of which all inclusiveness will soon be the norm...and Mormonism will be within that collective unity when it happens...and we see it evolving even now among them and the merging of various strands of faith worldwide.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints believes that Jesus Christ is our Savior*. He is the Great Jehovah of the Old Testament and the Savior and Redeemer of the New Testament. We worship, adore, and love Jesus Christ with all of our hearts.
Your mileage, of course, may vary.
* after all we can do, of course.
The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.
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THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541
Joseph Smith |
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints believes that Jesus Christ is our Savior. He is the Great Jehovah of the Old Testament and the Savior and Redeemer of the New Testament. We worship, adore, and love Jesus Christ with all of our hearts.
It appears that the MORMON Leaders of the PAST had a bit DIFFERENT take on things.
(I wonder what has changed?)
They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.Who has made this so?Have I?Have this people?Have the world?No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.Can you pass without his inspection?No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224
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