"If Gingrich is the answer, Tea Party has failed"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2814658/posts?page=158#158
Posted on 12/02/2011 1:25:49 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
I have seen your countless posts about Perry which amount to nothing but fanatical support of an atrociously poor candidate for President of The Untied States of America.
While I, have posted just last evening that with Newt Conservatives need to keep a constant pressure on him.
This “unpredictability” opinion needs to be backed up by you because the item you posted here fails to do so. The Lib spotlights the dated statement from Gingrich about illegals and takes half the item to briefly allude in a single sentence what Gingrich has said out it since then.
The only thing predictable here is you turning to the next front-runner because your guy sucks real bad as a candidate.
Thanks for posting; Very interesting, well-stated comment. Fascinating thread. BTTT!
"If Gingrich is the answer, Tea Party has failed"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2814658/posts?page=158#158
You expressed beautifully exactly how I feel. I know Newt is far from perfect - in fact vastly flawed, but I really believe he is the right man for this time. I believe he will rise to the occasion. He is the man. And his confidence doesn’t put me off one bit. We need someone self-assured, and someone who will take on the enemies (both within and without) of our great country.
Perry might have made a good President, at another time. But we are too soon after George Bush...and as you said, we don’t want or need another President who’s prone to embaress himself and us who would support him.
Newt has a moderate record and the ability to talk the talk of whatever group he address and "connect" with them.
How will Gingrich's lack of conviction and moral underpinning help turn things around for us and the country? If your support for Newt is because you feel the main thing he has going for him is that he will keep Obama out of the White House for 4 more years, I think you have a BIG problem.
If it isn't enough that Lindsey Graham praises Newt, perhaps you might be bothered that John Kerry does too.
Newt Gingrich has a history of going off the rails and embarrassing himself and those around him.
Don’t create a conservative caricature of Newt and sell it as truth.
Rasmussen did two polls the other day, one with all the candidates and Gingrich with a 22 point lead over second place Romney. Second poll showed what would happen if Cain decided it was time to drop out, Gingrich actually extended his lead on Romney while the others neither moved up or down except Romney who lost two percentage points and Gingrich gained eight more points.
I lived in Texas for 8 years under Perry. He was a big disappointment. The conservatives were always fighting him over something.
I guess if I had to continually prop up and make excuses for a failing candidate, I’d be bitter too.
That should give Newt good reason to keep his promises & not flip to liberalism.
Also, if Newt wins, that will likely mean the Pubs have made gains in both houses of Congress. That would help Newt stay with a conservative program.
I know this is not guaranteed, but it is likely.
I believe we are at a time in American politics where if you tell it like it is you’ll win. Newt will not only destroy Obama in a debate he will do one better. He will annihilate the left wing moderators which will make most Americans stand up and cheer. Not an endorsement just an observation.
I live in Texas — Perry has not been a disappointment and if vetting Gingrich makes you call me “bitter” that’s just your take to avoid talking about Newt’s record.
I’m not running in the primary.
I have seen your [Cincinatus' Wife] countless posts about Perry which amount to nothing but fanatical support of an atrociously poor candidate for President of The Untied States of America.I used to be a Perry supporter and a Cincinatus' Wife defender.While I, have posted just last evening that with Newt Conservatives need to keep a constant pressure on him.
This “unpredictability” opinion needs to be backed up by you because the item you posted here fails to do so. The Lib spotlights the dated statement from Gingrich about illegals and takes half the item to briefly allude in a single sentence what Gingrich has said out it since then.
The only thing predictable here is you turning to the next front-runner because your guy sucks real bad as a candidate.
I am now no longer either.
Perry has shown an inability to communicate which makes him completely unelectable and Cincinatus' Wife has slipped, in my opinion, from a valiant fighter for a cause to a tired old repetitive hack.
Perry's support in many polls is now below the margin of error of those polls. I know the same was true for Gingrich back in the spring of this year, but that was the beginning of the campaign and that was before Perry's huge bump in the polls upon his initial entry into the campaign.
It's one thing to be a 1%er in April... quite another to be a 1% in December, after you've been has high as 30%.
Anyone who can't see the reasons and the significance and the meaning and the likely outcome of Perry's fall from 30% to 1% is either a paid operative or just plain stupid.
I see what you’re saying about Thatcher but I’m still sticking to the thesis that Gingrich is our Churchill. If for no other reason than looks alone (kidding).
Churchill, like Gingrich, was greatly flawed. Churchill rose to the occasion of history, saved his country, and became one of history’s greats.
I expect the same of Gingrich.
Not really. It is NOT hard to govern to the right of Obama. That hardly capitalizes on the golden opportunity conservatism has to advance.
After 4 years of Newt -- then what? Next election......we have little change -- more government (Newt loves big government solutions and U.N. involvement) and little distinction between him and a Democrat challenger.
The country is TOO closely divided to allow this slide to proceed. The country doesn't have time for Newt to tinker around with his "ideas." We need someone who SEES the problems, has fought federal regulations and won, has energized an economy during the Obama recession by removing obstacles, and who will shake things up in D.C. and give power back to the states. That's Gov. Rick Perry.
For starters see John Kerry and Newt Gingrich's "debate" LINKED in Post # 25. It is typical Newt, seeing and praising the other side of the issue.
Then Andy Ferguson's take on Newt:
Re-written and highlighted here: Gingrich the Phony Intellectual …………Finally, there is Gingrich the disorganized. “Gingrich’s vagueness was always a problem, but the books show something more: a near-total lack of interest in the political implementation of his grand ideas — a lack of interest, finally, in politics at its most mundane and consequential level. Gingrich’s inattention to detail is one reason his speakership was so chaotic, as readers of a certain age will recall, and the primary reason he was shunned by his own party after four years with the gavel.”
When many in the mainstream media and far too many conservatives who should know better swoon over his pronouncements, the cannier on the right and left justifiably roll their eyes in disgust. Gingrich’s mind is an attic of throwaway, unusable and downright goofy ideas, piled high like newspapers in the room of a troubled subject on “Hoarders.” The volume is great, the quality is shoddy. His hobbyhorse is technology, or rather gimmickry. (“The coming rush of high technology will dismantle the welfare state and provide a replacement that is humane and efficient; it will free the poor from government dependency, take apart a failing educational establishment, relieve the drudgery of industrial labor and provide a steady supply of pleasant jobs, defrock out-of-touch elites in every corner of the ruthlessly secular society, clean up the environment and bequeath to us an America that is ‘safe, healthy, prosperous and free,’ as he wrote in ‘Winning the Future’ and, with slight variation, in most of his other books too.”)
But, ironically, what he never masters is politics. His collapse as speaker is more understandable once you grasp the full extent of his egomania and grandiose visions (“Muddling through — which is the default option of our constitutional system and the one that most Americans, latently conservative as they are, seem to prefer — never surfaces in the swirling mists of his crystal ball.”) Daydreamers and narcissists can make (in small doses) amusing writers and entertaining cocktail party guests, but lousy political leaders. And as president? Shudder.”
I might be wrong. If so then Cincinatus’ Wife will please correct me.
But if I recall correctly... Cincinatus’ Wife was just as big a Romney 2008 supporter as she now is a Perry 2012 supporter.
And with Perry doing so badly now - one has to wonder what the real motive of trying to deflate Newt is about?
Especially at this late point with votes being cast next month - Romney is the only who will gain, definitely not Perry.
This is why it is important for people to remain on guard and not be misled by a possible hidden agenda.
I love that woman!
Ann Barnhardt for President...Oh that’s right she has no political experience, whats she know about foreign policy, or the economy etc...?
I can’t answer those questions, but I can say this, she knows what it means to be an American...that’s what we need first and foremost, all that other stuff will be well taken care of, if one puts America’s interests first in all things.
Some one Bold, Brave and True to our constitutional principles, not those who are dedicated to the principles of wimpy, whiny, political correctness.
Our current crop of candidates, (any one of whom would be far better than obama), IMHO do not measure up to Bold, Brave and True to our constitution, and for one to be so, and do so, is not by any measure, expecting perfection, as seems to be the current justification for lower standards.
To many folks all this just sounds like prattle, but hearing Ann again, brought my mind back to assessing where we are and where we are going...Thank You, SF
If you find that Perry has not been a disappointment, then you must be far more moderate than I am and many of the Tea Partiers that I know who live there. Many months ago I heard Perry talk of how he had a vision to strengthen States rights, and to strengthen the power of the governorships. I thought, finally he seemed to be showing some conservatism, and some vision. He was asked if he was going to run for President, and he said no, his plan was to make the governors more powerful than the President - that he had a real vision for moving the country back to how it was laid out in the constitution. I was impressed with that. He should have run with that. Too bad.
I called you “bitter” because it seems that anytime anyone says anything negative about Perry, you don’t just disagree with them, you attempt to cut them down with your comments - like you’re spitting out the words as you write them. It seems a little unnecessary. I’m not your enemy. I just disagree about who’s best to run for President. I realize that Newt is flawed - I said that. But, when he’s on message, and most of the time he actually was in the House and as Speaker, he was brilliantly conservative.
As I recall samtheman, you were a Sarah Palin supporter (as I had been for years -- posting my threads and vanities in support and defense of her). Then I realized Sarah Palin was not running but Rick Perry was (Apparently, you also saw his ideology was in line with hers, as you began posting Palin-Perry composite photos to my Rick Perry threads).
Now you've moved your support to Newt Gingrich (I don't know if that was a straight line or if Herman Cain was before Newt).
Newt (quoted above in post #1] liked Sarah's following in Iowa but said she could only succeed if "..[she] ..“seeks out a group of sophisticated policy advisers” and “spends time developing a series of fairly sophisticated positions.”
Yet you made it a point to post that I am a "tired old repetitive hack" in your defensive of Newt Gingrich, someone who finds Sarah Palin lacking in those "sophisticated" complex thoughts and government policies he is so famous for attributing to himself.
Don't worry samtheman, no one will now associate you with me or my support of Gov. Perry -- but rather with Gingrich who only wants your vote, and who in fact finds you and the rest us middle Americans, intellectually beneath his contempt.
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