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Minn. Police, Attorneys Oppose Deadly Force Bill (Stand Your Ground)
KSTP.com ^ | 2/16/12 | Lauren Radomski/AP

Posted on 02/16/2012 7:53:15 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo

Key police chiefs and county prosecutors joined together on Thursday to urge Minnesota lawmakers to not pass legislation that would give people more freedom to use deadly force when protecting themselves.

The legislation creates the presumption that a person in their home or other dwelling who uses deadly force does so believing they are in danger of harm or death. The bill also removes the obligation for that person to retreat from such a situation. It's headed for a full Senate vote soon.

Dakota County Attorney James Backstrom said at a Capitol press conference that the bill shifts the standard to use deadly force from the current "reasonable person" standard to a more subjective one.

"Under this proposal, it would become what is in the person's mind as to whether they feel threatened," Backstrom said. "That is the controlling factor. Not what a reasonable person would have done when facing similar circumstances."

SNIP

Dayton said last week he wasn't sure if he'd sign or veto the bill, but mentioned that opposition from law enforcement officials would likely influence his decision.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: banglist; standyourground
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Bravo. Sierra.

Dayton will veto this bill four seconds after he receives it.

Backstrom is a career liberal politician first and a lawyer, second.

It is said in Dakota County that the most dangerous place to be is between Jim Backstrom and a television camera or a radio microphone.

1 posted on 02/16/2012 7:53:24 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Aren’t most police chiefs in Minnesota big, union commie libs anyway?


2 posted on 02/16/2012 7:56:15 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (You can only shovel so much crap into a melting pot before you have nothing but a pot full of crap.)
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3 posted on 02/16/2012 7:56:15 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Crazy grandstanding perse-prosecutor. More dead or seriously wounded burglars? Fewer homeowners responsible for that situation in trouble? Allah, Gaia, or the god-of-the-week forbid?!?


4 posted on 02/16/2012 7:56:36 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

It is a basic truism everywhere: people deserve the scum they elect.
Congratulations, Minnesota.


5 posted on 02/16/2012 7:56:53 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Why do I carry a gun?
Because carrying a cop is too hard.


6 posted on 02/16/2012 7:59:46 PM PST by irishtenor (Everything in moderation, however, too much whiskey is just enough... Mark Twain)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

“If a person on their own property murders another person, this bill creates a very large loophole for their defense,” Kolb said.

Minneapolis Police Chief Tim Dolan said the bill would make serving warrants even more dangerous for officers. He held up a shield officers use when entering homes to illustrate how bullets can pass through it.

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It’s ironic they suggest this is bad because it puts the police at risk.

I thought the law was about law abiding citizens protecting themselves and their families.


7 posted on 02/16/2012 8:01:31 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

this bill would mean less business for both police and attorneys...of course they oppose it!


8 posted on 02/16/2012 8:04:05 PM PST by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Yeah, the rank-and-file (I know a few cops) are on board with this. It’s the Chiefs and the Sheriffs and the other politicians playing at being law enforcement that oppose anything that might hurt their re-election chances.


9 posted on 02/16/2012 8:06:38 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR: Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: Lancey Howard
It is a basic truism everywhere: people deserve the scum they elect.
Congratulations, Minnesota.


I stand by my assertion that Dayton was elected fraudulently.
10 posted on 02/16/2012 8:07:58 PM PST by Thorliveshere
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To: dragnet2

Sounds like a sucky “shield.”


11 posted on 02/16/2012 8:08:27 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: dragnet2

Dolan fails to mention his now-defunct goon squad(s) that had a penchant for shooting up the wrong house in a search for drug dealers that lived a half a block away.


12 posted on 02/16/2012 8:09:43 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR: Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Why isn’t there more mutiny of beat-cops. It seems to be the same story almost anywhere. Beat cops would be glad to deal with dead burglars. While police chiefs have kittens about it.


13 posted on 02/16/2012 8:10:26 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: stefanbatory

That’s pretty close to the truth.


14 posted on 02/16/2012 8:13:08 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I used to live in Dakota County (Eagan). My view of MN law enforcement - mostly in and around the Twin Cities - is a total joke.
Of course now San Antonio has to put up with McManus.


15 posted on 02/16/2012 8:14:27 PM PST by Fred Hayek (FUBO, the No Talent Pop Star pResident.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Why isn’t there more mutiny of beat-cops?”

They need to feed their families.


16 posted on 02/16/2012 8:20:50 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR: Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: Fred Hayek

How you doin’, Fred?

Grew up in Eagan, still living in Dakota County.

Woof! Forgot about McDumbAss, for a moment there...

;-)


17 posted on 02/16/2012 8:23:53 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR: Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

“reasonable person” can mean any damned thing someone wants to make it.


18 posted on 02/16/2012 8:26:08 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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Lawyers, police chiefs and the rest of the LEFT are offering an alternative Bill. Its called the Draw a Chalk Outline Around the Victims Act.
19 posted on 02/16/2012 8:28:09 PM PST by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Evidently, YOU get it!

;-)


20 posted on 02/16/2012 8:28:54 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR: Now, More Than Ever.)
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