Stone-age Europeans 'were the first to set foot on North America'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk ^ | February 28 2012 | Matthew Day

[Para-Ord.45]

In a discovery that could rewrite the history of the Americas, archaeologists have found a number of stone tools dating back between 19,000 and 26,000 years, and bearing remarkable similarities to those made in Europe.

All of the ancient implements were discovered along the north-east coast of the USA.

Adding to the weight of evidence is fresh analysis of stone knife unearthed in the US in 1971 that revealed it was made of French flint.

[roadcat]

The Asians who came over here did so many, many thousands of years before the seafaring Chinese.

Yes, I'm principally speaking of the seafaring Chinese because that is the only historical record that still exists. There is no hard evidence of the ancient Chinese coming to the Americas via land-routes, although it is speculated. There does exist evidence of seafaring Chinese coming here and trading with natives in the mid-600s. Some of that is in documents describing plants that only grow in the USA and Mexico.

[PIF]

I remember that faux Nate as I looked out across the trash strewn Makah reservation ... or the Nate camp down by a lush green ravine near where I lived filled with garbage and 5 gal pails filled with human waste ...

[PIF]

The Jomon who lived in present day Japan - circa 14,000 BC. are usually credited.

[skeeter]

I once got into big family trouble when I mentioned to my half-Cheyenne step sister that many indian tribes were nomadic partly because they'd crap up an area so badly they'd have to move on.

She'd apparently bought into the Dances With Woves Hollywood version of history.

[aruanan]

There is no hard evidence of the ancient Chinese coming to the Americas via land-routes, although it is speculated.

DNA and mitochondrial DNA drift is hard evidence. The Asians that originated in Siberia that came to the Americas about 15,000 years ago near the end of the last glaciation did so many millennia before seafaring Chinese in the first millennium AD and they also did it long enough after being isolated from other Asian groups (about 15,000 years before they crossed over) for them to develop a distinctive genotype that is present in all the 41 tribes sampled from Alaska to the tip of Chile as well as two groups on the western (Asian) side of the Bering Strait and the Inuit from Greenland. None of the current Eurasian groups has this distinctive genotype. So it was a migration of a single, genetically distinct group across the Bering Strait. The "natives" that seafaring Chinese may have interacted with weren't native. Their ancestors came over from Asia.

[roadcat]

Thanks for the insight, I stand corrected. I wasn’t aware that all these 41 tribes sampled have the same genotype. Wow.

[GreyFriar]

You lost me. There was this opening line of the news story: “Stone-age Europeans were the first to set foot on North America, beating American Indians by some 10,000 years, new archaeological evidence suggests.”

I did not read ‘in the form of C.C.” in the article.

of course I see this as ‘needs more research’ and examination of plausability. Haven’t the Irish maintained that St. Brendan or someone traveled to north american in the 600s? Of course that could be the result of good research involving a bottle or two of Bushmills. :)

[SunkenCiv]

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[zot]

The article begins with a picture of Columbus landing, and the caption: ”The tools could reassert the long dismissed and discredited claim that Europeans in the form of Christopher Columbus and his crew were the first to discover the New World.”

[GreyFriar]

Oh, I didn’t bother reading the caption. I just read the article, which didn’t make that claim (the CC was stone age) If you stopped there, and I understand why now that I’ve read it, please read the full article. Another reason to take photo caption writers with a massive dose of salt, or Irish whiskey.

[zot]

I read the rest of the article. Bullshit meter reduced slightly and pointed to “speculation.”

[Jack Hammer]

Politically Incorrect - and therefore impossible.

The study will be ignored on all college campuses in America, or it will be ridiculed.

Those nasty White males - as everyone now knows - did nothing but rape, pillage, and burn.

[PIF]

Your sister is not alone in believing the Dances With Wolves and many other Hollywood versions of American history. Most people push come to shove would side with her; they only know what they are told, never having seen a reservation that has not been made into a tribal tourist attraction.

Back in the 70s when the whole Nate present day mess began, everyone was going on about how “in-touch” Nates were with the environment. If anyone tried anyone different, it would be an occasion for a nasty argument.

The ruling family Reservation system set up by most tribes is the reason that most people of Nate descent do not live on them. That and many non-Res Nates I've known believe that their Res brethren are in some way connected to or practice Nate Black Magic.

In the 80s, Treaty Tribes had the choice of making lots of money by emphasizing their culture by opening Nate spas and Nate medicine clinics (New Age stuff was all the rage) ... the chose to open casinos financed by Indonesian money instead.

However, the real reason that Nates are so adamant about reburial and stopping any examination of remains found, is that their entire legal claim to Special Rights rests on their further claim that they were Created here. Knock that out and their Treaty Rights become the same as Treaty Rights with other countries - existing as long as Congress cares to uphold the particular treaty, and the SCOTUS is out of the picture.

[Altura Ct.]

Does this mean we are due some sort of reparations?

[AlmaKing]

This book is available in a Kindle edition for $6 including illustrations vs. $19 for the paperback. It’s also available immediately by download. Such a good deal I had to post to you to say thanks.