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S.C. bill would remove 'stand your ground' defense
The Associated Press ^ | 3/22/2012

Posted on 03/22/2012 1:39:40 PM PDT by Dan Nunn

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To: Rick_Michael
People shouldn’t get in fist fights and shoot each other...but I guess the devil’s in the details and how it works in the court system.

The law does not protect those who engage in mutual combat with fists, and then resort to using a firearm to settle it.

It allows the elderly, the physically small and weak, and the handicapped to defend themselves against assault by predators.

Read it.

21 posted on 03/22/2012 2:25:19 PM PDT by PalmettoMason (South Carolinians need to start choosing a primary challenger to Nikki Haley NOW!!!!!!!)
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To: upchuck; SC Swamp Fox

SC ping!

I really can’t see this bill going anywhere.


22 posted on 03/22/2012 2:32:01 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: JimSEA
Similar case? Not exactly.

"Police ultimately* charged Dooley with manslaughter, openly carrying a firearm, and improper display of a firearm."
[*ultimately = TWO DAYS after the shooting]

Trayvon Martin was shot on February 26th and no one has be charged.

23 posted on 03/22/2012 2:37:03 PM PDT by Reese Hamm
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To: Dan Nunn

Thanks, the article I read was from 2010. Dooley should be tried from what I read. In the Treyvon Martin case, the shooter seems to have been stalking the victim (from the 911 tapes) and was told to back off. That is not right. Zimmerman seems in the wrong. However, this can not be portrayed honestly as a “civil rights outrage” as it is in the MSM.


24 posted on 03/22/2012 2:38:15 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Dan Nunn
Sellers' bill would strike language saying someone who isn't breaking the law and is somewhere he has the right to be, like where he works, has the right to use deadly force to protect himself or someone else.

Why the hell would you need a law to give your that power in the first place?

And why can a cop use deadly force to protect his life, and civilians can't? I'm not talking about making an arrest - just protecting his life. It's the exact same issue, a human being protecting their life with deadly force from attack. So why does the badge change the value of the human life, per se?

25 posted on 03/22/2012 2:38:42 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: Dan Nunn
"Stand your ground" is a hill to die on, folks.

This is where the rubber of the 2nd Amendment meets the road. It is also affects our fundamental freedom to live as free men instead of slaves of the state.

We must fight encroachment on that freedom everywhere it is attempted.

Trayyvon Martin is being made into a "saint" by the media, the same way Gabrielle Giffords was. Well, he was the attacker. Read the real story. Zimmerman was defending himself.

We cannot allow the loss of our right to defend ourselves.

26 posted on 03/22/2012 2:39:39 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: Dan Nunn
Bakari Sellers's biography

Sellers is also the first vice chairman of the South Carolina Democratic Party.

He is an Alumnus of Morehouse College.

He is the son of civil right activist and professor Cleveland Sellers.

Would you have expected anything different?

27 posted on 03/22/2012 2:44:12 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: JimSEA

Whats the difference between “following” and “stalking”?

If you’re doing neighborhood watch around your neighborhood, see someone suspicious and follow them to see what they are doing are you “stalking” them as you’re talking to 911?

I’d say from a legal standpoint they both were in the right at first. When Z broke it off and headed to his car - his story - they both were still in the right.

The question then becomes “What happened next?”


28 posted on 03/22/2012 2:46:58 PM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: RMDupree

Bakari T. Sellers is a Democratic member of the South Carolina House of Representatives

I personally HATE all Democrats .Is that a HATE crime?


29 posted on 03/22/2012 2:57:31 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: backwoods-engineer
Even if every negative thing they say about Martin's past is true, it is still possible that Zimmerman initiated this confrontation. That possibility warrants an investigation -- not a media circus or a lynching.

And I know, or at least hope I know, that no matter how un-"saintly" Gabrielle Giffords may be, you don't mean to imply that putting a bullet in her head somehow justified.

30 posted on 03/22/2012 2:57:40 PM PDT by Reese Hamm
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To: Catmom

Absolutely. Being soft or more “compassionate” towards blacks who commit crimes actually means not giving a rat’s behind about black crime VICTIMS, and the rest of the law abiding black majority, as most black crime is black on black.

One of the best ways for a racist police officer, judge or parole board to harm the black community would be to go easy on more black criminals, which means making it harder on the law abiding black majority.


31 posted on 03/22/2012 3:01:55 PM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (.)
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To: Dan Nunn
Gotta take advantage of the highly slanted MSM story to be able to enact law in reckless haste.


32 posted on 03/22/2012 3:13:13 PM PDT by capt. norm (Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves for they shall never run out of material. c)
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To: Above My Pay Grade
I believe the silent majority of law abiding Black Americans....

LOL!

33 posted on 03/22/2012 3:19:43 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: FReepers
Denmark Rep. Bakari Sellers

Save the bandwidth .. your intuition was correct

34 posted on 03/22/2012 3:23:09 PM PDT by tomkat (FU.baraq)
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To: backwoods-engineer
Wrong, when Zimerman got out of his car he became the attacker. There is no other way to look at it.
35 posted on 03/22/2012 4:23:56 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: traditional1

“The idea that we are PASSIONATE about eliminating ‘bullying’ in Schools, but we want criminals to have their way with the populace, by disarming them?”

They’re not passionate about bullying as such. The recent agitation is specifically about gays. Since they don’t care as much about guns as other groups, for whatever reason, I don’t think you’ll get em on board.


36 posted on 03/22/2012 4:26:05 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: StaffiT

“Is it just me, or does it seem to be crazy to base public policy on a few selected incidences?”

Doctors call it the There Oughtta Be A Law Syndrome.


37 posted on 03/22/2012 4:28:33 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Rick_Michael

“Bakari Sellers”

LET....ME....GUESS....

Well I assume he’s a Democrat. What else can we infer from his moniker?/s;)


38 posted on 03/22/2012 5:07:09 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Dan Nunn

Damn democrats, always dancing in the blood of the dead.


39 posted on 03/22/2012 5:18:31 PM PDT by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: l8pilot; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; A Strict Constructionist; ...
Time to contact your Rep and tell them to forget about this.

South Carolina
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40 posted on 03/22/2012 6:51:11 PM PDT by upchuck (Where others hold a window into the world, nobama holds a mirror. h/t - Don Surber)
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