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Mary Matalin on Rush today - and is she off base? (Stunned)
4-23-2012 | Self

Posted on 04/23/2012 9:30:05 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright

FREEPER COMMENTS REQUESTED: Is it just me, or is Mary Matalin way off base today with her entire theme for the show (guest hosting for Rush). Now I normally like her work tremendously, but her idea that we should search for "virtue" in government and for "virtuous people" to be in government seems extremely naive.

The only virtue in government is its limit. We will never get a government full of virtuous people. By definition, government is power and virtuous people are not drawn to that. Our Founders knew that. This is why they insisted on LIMITED government. Wake up Mary!


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To: Mountain Mary
Mary is an establishment Republican, a big Mittens supporter.

Interesting that all of Rush's recent subs are Mittens supporters. I think that says something about his private political views.

141 posted on 04/23/2012 10:43:02 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Men are not Angels, but I’d like to think we can at least reduce the number of absolute scumballs serving in government


142 posted on 04/23/2012 10:44:30 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: onyx

” Watching re-runs of Law and Order!”

LOL


143 posted on 04/23/2012 10:45:10 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright; All
Will all due respect to fellow Freepers, when a subject so dear to America's founding principles is introduced, no matter by whom, we might do our Republic and our posterity a great service by focusing on the idea presented, not the messenger. Matalin has brought up a subject we should study and promote from the Founders' perspective.

Excerpted below are portions of an essay from Our Ageless Constitution" related to this subject. Youth, especially, need to know that what the Founders referred to as "virtue" remains an essential support for liberty. Matalin's slant on the subject might direct us to what the Founders said about it.

Virtue Among the People:
The Soul
Of
America's Constitution

America's Founders knew that it takes more than a perfect plan of government to preserve liberty. Something else is needed - some moral principle diffused among the people to unite and strengthen the urge to peaceful observance of law. They recognized that the raw materials of a free government are people who can act morally without compulsion, who do not willfully violate the rights of others, and who love liberty enough to demand that government's power is very limited. They used the word "virtuous" to describe such people. Defined by Webster, "virtue" is "a conformity to a standard of right," but whatever word is used to describe it, such a moral standard is the necessary fountainhead of a free society.

The Declaration of Independence referred to "Nature's God," the "Creator," the "Supreme judge of the World," and "Divine Providence" Our nation's founders came together, voluntarily, to create a limited government to secure for them and posterity their God-given rights to life, liberty, and property. Such liberty, they believed, rested on three great supports:

  1. Natural law and unalienable natural rights granted by the Creator,
  2. A written constitution to assure a government of laws, not of rulers, and
  3. VIRTUE among the people - the best defense against tyranny.

Their own words are eloquent reminders of their devotion to this belief:

"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports.... It is substantially true that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government." - George Washington's Farewell Address

"We may look up to Armies for our defense, but virtue is our best security. It is not possible that any state should long remain free, where virtue is not supremely honored." - Samuel Adams

"Virtue must underlay all institutional arrangements if they are to be healthy and strong. The principles of democracy are as easily destroyed as human nature is corrupted!' - John Adams-------(End of quoted material)

Samuel Adams wrote: "Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend to the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who, so far as his power and influence extend, will not suffer a man to be chosen into any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man."
He also said the task of the electorate is to choose those whose "fidelity has been tried in the nicest and tenderest manner, and has been ever firm and unshaken."

Footnote: Our Ageless Constitution, W. David Stedman & La Vaughn G. Lewis, Editors (Asheboro, NC, W. David Stedman Associates, 1987) Part III:  ISBN 0-937047-01-5

144 posted on 04/23/2012 10:46:41 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: sickoflibs

Yeah, I know who Mary is. I listened for a while in my car, but eh, I have other things to do.

I like Rush, but I quit 24/7 over a year ago. I can listen for free, so why pay?

One thing about Rush, he always lets you know that he will support whoever the nominee is. He has always done that. How long would his show last if he didn’t?

It would be hard to have a show such as his and try to please everyone because they want him to choose their own choice as a candidate. You see all the slop flinging around here over that issue, so that pretty well explains it.

I think if we had a really great conservative candidate, he might jump on board, but Reagan has passed on. LOL


145 posted on 04/23/2012 10:48:47 AM PDT by dforest
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To: sickoflibs

An inside secret, my 24/7 subscription lapsed at least 2 yrs ago and I still get dittocam and the rest, just don’t get the monthly Limbaugh Letter.


146 posted on 04/23/2012 10:49:08 AM PDT by Finatic (I ran out of change and have given up on hope. FUBO, I am so sick of your sorry a$$ you effin punk)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

See 139 and apply to yourself.


147 posted on 04/23/2012 10:50:38 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Finatic

Great. thanks!


148 posted on 04/23/2012 10:51:32 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely.)
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To: loveliberty2

Read post 139.
Then read post 139.
Then re -read post 139 and self apply.
Thanks for playing.


149 posted on 04/23/2012 10:51:32 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright

The Founders would agree with her. Virtuous people elect virtuous leaders, who establish virtuous policies.

The loss of virtue as a cultural aspiration will lead us further and further into corruption.


150 posted on 04/23/2012 10:51:55 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

READ 139


151 posted on 04/23/2012 10:52:37 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I am sure she was looking for Virtue when sahe married the snakehead.


152 posted on 04/23/2012 10:52:57 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Mary Matalin is not a conservative. that’s just the role she decided to play. She considers herself part of the Power Elite, and will go with the script she’s handed. Same with Carville. Same with Ann Coulter.


153 posted on 04/23/2012 10:53:28 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

She divorced Jim a long time ago.Jim can be irritating, but he seems to have a good idea about what is going on, and I like his reasoning.


154 posted on 04/23/2012 10:55:53 AM PDT by BooBoo1000 (I don't know what the future holds, but I know who holds my future.,)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

She divorced Jim a long time ago.Jim can be irritating, but he seems to have a good idea about what is going on, and I like his reasoning.


155 posted on 04/23/2012 10:56:24 AM PDT by BooBoo1000 (I don't know what the future holds, but I know who holds my future.,)
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To: Venturer

Well she’s called Snakehead “very virtuous” today and called Ed Gillespie a “model” of the virtuous “public servant” and she even made a point to mention that her Monsignor called Snakehead virtuous.

With Monsignors like that, who needs atheists?

Which leads me to the point those self righteous folks who have jumped in here without listening to her drivel today are missing - that virtue is a subjective issue and therefore not as important as the definitely objective issue of limits.

Who is to determine who these virtuous guardian angels are to be as Milton Friedman once asked? The point is, limit their power and then it doesn’t matter nearly so much how virtuous they are.


156 posted on 04/23/2012 10:56:24 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: stephenjohnbanker

L & O Criminal Intent.


157 posted on 04/23/2012 10:58:03 AM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: loveliberty2

And. . .

“If Virtue & Knowledge are diffused among the People, they will never be enslav’d. This will be their great Security.”
Samuel Adams

“It is an object of vast magnitude that systems of education should be adopted and pursued which may not only diffuse a knowledge of the sciences but may implant in the minds of the American youth the principles of virtue and of liberty and inspire them with just and liberal ideas of government and with an inviolable attachment to their own country.”
Noah Webster

“It is certainly true that a popular government cannot flourish without virtue in the people.”
Richard Henry Lee

“Nothing is more essential to the establishment of manners in a State than that all persons employed in places of power and trust must be men of unexceptionable characters.”
Samuel Adams

“Republics are created by the virtue, public spirit, and intelligence of the citizens. They fall, when the wise are banished from the public councils, because they dare to be honest, and the profligate are rewarded, because they flatter the people, in order to betray them.”
Joseph Story

“If there is a form of government, then, whose principle and foundation is virtue, will not every sober man acknowledge it better calculated to promote the general happiness than any other form?”
John Adams

I’m not listening to the show, but our country won’t work either politically, administratively, legislatively, judicially or financially without the people, leaders and regular citizens alike, understanding and PRACTICING virtue — doing what’s right.


158 posted on 04/23/2012 10:58:03 AM PDT by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan: pray the Rosary.)
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To: loveliberty2
Your post said what I was going to say: the people will vote for virtuous politicians when they themselves are virtuous.

Until that happens, nothing will get better. The idea that we can just choose more virtuous people than we to run things is like the socialists' idea that with the right smart people in charge, they can finally get it to work, this time.

159 posted on 04/23/2012 10:58:43 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Lazlo in PA

Poor Mary, she needs to stick to her day job. As for the Marks brothers, I can tolerate Steyn and Bellings in doses but I loathe Davis, his appearances are always the epitome of a Republican Party butt kissing festival, please somebody at the RNC hire this clown and keep him off the air for the love of humanity, he’s your kind of Party Boy!

Rush you can do way better than inflicting the RINOisms of Mary, Rove, and Davis on your audience. Frankly I prefer Walter Williams if Rush is to be gone or turn it off after a few minutes.


160 posted on 04/23/2012 11:00:38 AM PDT by sarge83
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