Skip to comments.Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.
We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!
We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!
And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
The Republic we save may be our own!!
As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.
Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!
We are the resistance!!
Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!
Shame the bitch if she refuses. Dog her events. Stalk with cameras, embarass her with her litany of failures. You get the picture.
Now do that 15x over with 15 different "candidates" -- all Tea Party just as I suggested -- and you have my plan of attack in action.
Interesting concept, but better to keep Gingrich out of daily responsibilities. He does not play well with the other chldren.
Keep him rather as Chief of Bright Ideas, sort of a Minister Without Portfolio, a J.E.B. Stuart, Patton, to throw into the fight were needed.
I think he'd be up to that task and a host of other related stuff I haven't even mentioned.
THANKS for your kind reply, DEAR HEART ANGEL-GAL.
BTW, The men’s retreat in Colo went well. No burning bush experiences but a few true affirmations and touches from Abba, Father.
And thank you for your encouragements, dear brother in Christ!
I can’t remember if it was Rush or Jay Severin but someone said that Bolton would be Romney’s Sec of State. I don’t know the source of the comment.
Oh Yeah! Charge!
Really! hehe.. How true!
Wow... much thoguht went into that Agamemnon....I do think we may be seeing a dog fight ahead....if not then it’s definately fixed for Obama to win.
“That’s the worst-case scenario, it attributes God-like powers to Obama”
Obama has Presidential powers, a compliant media that ignores his unconstitutional acts, and Nixonian grasp on power. And a second term mean no re-election worries. Not god-like, but it’s enough.
I am a conservative before I am a Republican, but a practical one; you dont have to be some GOP-E shill to recognize who you can get something out of and who will be just plain horrible. If I was in Mass, I’d be a Scott Brown supporter over that Obama/leftie Elizabeth “Fauxcohontas” Warren. Does that mean I am a gop shill or liberal for supporting a guy whose latest stunt is a silly Post Office bailout? Nope. I just prefer a 70% good guy to a 0%.
I did not support and vote for Romney in 08, but felt he’d at least have been better than McCain. I am in some ways aghast that we nominated the Romney-care guy in a year where Obamacare is #1 thing to overturn, but in other ways complaining about it misses the real point: Romney(*) will sign repeal of Obamacare. Obama wont. That’s your 70% to 0% right there.
(*) He only said it about 50 times in the debates, but some people dont believe a word he says. I cant help those folks, they’ll just have to believe it when it happens.
All the whining about Romney being as bad as Obama is bunk, and even the freepers saying it should know it. the only way this is concluded is by ignoring most of Mitt Romney’s real life, real positions and real approach. He’s the first potential president since Reagan to have spent most of his life in the private sector, and an objective review will show his agenda is more conservative than GWB’s “compassionate (aka BigGubmint) conservative” 2000 agenda, and his record not as liberal as FR hyperbole claims. But no point arguing with those who insist they have all the answers.
We can be purist and refuse to accept 70%, we can pretend it’s not 70% but some other number ... but at the end of the day, if you want conservative ideas to win, it would be crazy to assume that ‘Obama re-elected => conservative ideas win’ is a legit conclusion.
Actually, just as FDR solidifying the New Deal was a death blow to American governance that existed prior to FDR, Obama’s re-election is the hinge on which our future depends. One path - Euro-socialism - is the inevitable result of obama’s re-election. Why? because the Dems know that once they create a clientele for their programs, its easy to keep them and hard to repeal them - THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN COUNTING ON ALL ALONG. They know it would hurt politically to go far left, but Pelosi and Obama didnt care, they are that extreme. The ONLY way to stop them is complete and utter fumigation.
The other path - Romney’s win - will be a rejection of same, seen as such, and will lead to ‘renormalization’ of politics around a smaller govt role.
“Frankly, I think we have a much better chance of successfully fighting off socialized medicine and higher taxes with Obama in office by a plurality fluke and a clear, documented majority opposed”
Really?!? You should know better. THINK about it. We got that rejection in 2010. A whole GOP House. How much of Obamacare was dismantled in 2011? How much defunded? NONE OF IT!!! Obama re-elected = socialized medicine is here to stay, that is his legacy and you will need a crowbar to take it out. Even a GOP House didnt have the balls to cut off funding or go to the mat with a shutdown. And if Obama wins we will probably have a Dem senate with him anyway. So that means Obamacare repeal is toast.
“Romney in office means a Republican power elite telling conservative Republicans: “Look, the only reason the GOP even has the White House is because of us ‘moderates,’ so sit down and shut up.”
To which we answer - “H*LL NO.”
Perhaps what you fail to see is the possibility that you vote for Romney on Tuesday, hope he wins, and if he does, on Wednesday, join the ‘loyal conservative opposition’ to make sure every conservative promise he made was kept, and every liberal tendency is vigorously opposed. We’ll have Congressional allies on the right to be there.
“I dutifully voted for Schwarzenegger”
As Mr T put it: I pity the fool. “where voting “pragmatically” is voting against our own moral and finiancial self-interest.” -— sounds contradictory; then change the algorithm. I cant save Cali.
I appreciate your kind words but what’s funny is that people makes assumptions. I am not as tied up in caring for the GOP-E as you seem to think,
and I know we all will make our own decisions. And for most of us, we dont know what the right answer even if we pretend to.
All I know is this: If the answer is “Let Obama get re-elected” It’s a pretty stupid question!
Obama isn’t Working. Fire him.
“Now if someone could post a How to vote for Romney without throwing up on your ballot it would be appreciated.”
Sure, vote for the lesser of two evils. We stand a much better chance of thwarting a socialist in his first term than a hardcore muslim/communist in his second term!! Besides Mitt at least has had considerable experience and success in business and understands Economics 101.
You're also wrong that we stand a better chance of thwarting Romney than Obama. Our party will stay united to oppose Obama out of sheer political expediency if nothing else. But most of them will absolutely go along with anything Romney wants to do, even if he's proposing the exact same things Obama would have. The hardline Tea Party heroes will oppose him, but there aren't enough of them to block Romney's agenda.
Santorum lost because Romney said he spent too much and was for earmarks.
Newt lost because Romney pointed out that he was against capitalism and was associated with Freddie Mac.
Perry lost because Romney pointed out that he was in favor of tuition for illegals.
Moral of the story is we can’t beat RINOs by being more liberal.
“I urge all Freepers and their families to vote a straight Republican ticket.”
Sorry, I don’t support leftwing individuals or organizations.
Any time, my friend! I have owed you a reply to your last mail for a few days now - sorry for the delay!
Care to put up a thread in religion on your retreat experience? If it was too personal and private, I understand. Left a lot out of the one I posted that had meaning only to me, but it is good for folks to see they can get away and get with God for a while, even now.
Thank You for your research and excellent thinking!
The Lord already prompted me to do the same during my prayer time this morning.
Thanks for the nudge.
In due course on your reply on the other stuff. Always honored by your input.
I hope and think you know that in terms of faith and spiritual issues . . .
I’m fiercely against RELIGION in ALL it’s forms, denominations, permutations, flavors, costumes, labels, etc. whether traditional Pentecostal, RCC or whatever.
I see LIFE IN CHRIST as a RELATIONSHIP . . . and a very personal Biblical dance with HIM—Father, Son, Spirit—ABOVE ALl.
Will ping you when I get to that thread.
I trust your writing projects are progressing apace. LUB BRO.
I look forward!
Grace comes in many forms. In a lot of ways I think you are lucky - like several other regular posters here. I am one of those who needs formality and ritual so as to keep my eye on God.
My failing. No one elses.
The writing is going OK - a little stuck on one novel and the Bible vs science book that got picked up (the research on that one is huge!)
—weve had that in 2011 and 2012, since we have the House, and I dont know if you noticed, but its not working out so great.
you really want 4 more years of THIS!?!?—
Reid has stopped the house cold. We need a conservative (notice I didn’t say “republican”) congress or we are, truly, doomed.
I don’t want four more years of this, but I don’t expect that no matter WHAT happens at the polls. Things never stay the same.