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Thousands of Communists and Neo-Nazis clash in streets of Hamburg
AFP ^ | June 4, 2012 | AFP

Posted on 06/04/2012 10:43:48 PM PDT by JerseyanExile

Clashes between neo-Nazi demonstrators and far-left counter-protesters overnight in the northern German port city of Hamburg left 38 police officers injured, police said Sunday.

Security forces were pelted with rocks, bottles and fireworks and responded by turning water canon and pepper spray on the rioting groups who turned out at a march by the far right.

At least two parked cars and a police cruiser were set ablaze.

Police, who deployed 4,400 officers to keep the peace between the two sides, took 63 demonstrators into custody and formally arrested another 17.

Around 3,500 people, mainly from the hard left, turned out to block a procession of about 700 right-wing skinheads, while more than 10,000 people attended a separate, peaceful rally against neo-Nazis in front of city hall.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biggovernment; communists; controlfreaks; europeanunion; germany; hamburg; nationalsocialists; nazis; nazisovietpact; neonazis; socialism; socialists; totalitarians
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To: JerseyanExile

Here is hoping all polish radio towers are safe


21 posted on 06/05/2012 2:35:26 AM PDT by Flavius (What hopes for victory, Gaius Crastinus? What grounds for encouragement ?)
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To: JerseyanExile
http://www.newsmax.com/Rahn/Obama-spending-Congress-budget/2012/05/30/id/440616
The chart clearly shows increases in government spending are associated with fewer jobs, not more. The data for the past hundred years shows the same negative relationship between the growth in government and the number of jobs. It is no coincidence that European and other countries with larger governments almost always have lower labor-force participation rates.

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22 posted on 06/05/2012 3:05:02 AM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: JerseyanExile

Aaahhh. Just like the good old days of the 1920s.


23 posted on 06/05/2012 3:15:36 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: JerseyanExile

Let the leftist scum wipe each other out.


24 posted on 06/05/2012 3:26:28 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: JerseyanExile
This Hayek quote on Communists vs. Nazis is on my FR profile page. It's worth posting on this thread:
Although our modern socialists' promise of greater freedom is genuine and sincere, in recent years observer after observer has been impressed by the unforeseen consequences of socialism, the extraordinary similarity in many respects of the conditions under "communism" and "fascism." As the writer Peter Drucker expressed it in 1939, "the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia to travel the same road toward a totalitarian society of un-freedom and inequality which Germany has been following. Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same. Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion, and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany."

No less significant is the intellectual outlook of the rank and file in the communist and fascist movements in Germany before 1933. The relative ease with which a young communist could be converted into a Nazi or vice versa was well known, best of all to the propagandists of the two parties. The communists and Nazis clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties simply because they competed for the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. Their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common, was the liberal of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits made of the right timber, they both know that there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom.

-- F.A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom


25 posted on 06/05/2012 3:31:31 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: zeestephen

Precisely. See quote in my post above.

The Western Left has been running the Big Lie that the Nazis were “of the Right” since WWII in an effort to hide the fact that their positions on most issues are so similar. Actually reading the NSDAP platform of 1933, among other source documents, shows this clearly. Unfortunately The Western Left has largely been running education the whole time, so this Big Lie has been very successful, as very few people actually read source documents and think on their own any more.


26 posted on 06/05/2012 3:38:48 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

Sorry, correction, it was 1920, not 1933.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/party.htm#25points


27 posted on 06/05/2012 3:47:24 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: unkus
As you know, during World War II, the Soviets never cheered for Communism/the USSR. It was always about defending “Mother Russia”.

That was because even the most thick-headed commissar understood the value of patriotism in repelling an invader. When Stalin saw the way the Wehrmacht was (initially) received in the Ukraine he understood.

28 posted on 06/05/2012 4:41:40 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: JerseyanExile

Lefties taking on lefties. How delicious!!!


29 posted on 06/05/2012 5:28:33 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: JerseyanExile
Gee? This is odd. Every reference to 'far-right' is followed by 'Neo-Nazi' and/or 'Skinhead'. But when the 'far-left' is mentioned there's nary a peep about them being Communists. Only (a bunch of cuddly) 'counter protesters'. The worst they were called was 'hard-left'.

I'm suuuure this is only an oversight.

31 posted on 06/05/2012 6:30:01 AM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: zeestephen
They both hate capitalism and support government command economies.

For clarity, the fascists held that you can own property but the government can tell you what to do with it, particularly if it is a business. The communists held that all property and businesses are the governments property.

The Nazis are overtly nationalistic and racist.
The Communists are closet racists and nationalists.

The fascists were nationalists (loyal to home country) and the communists were internationalists (loyal to USSR). To the rank and file it looked the same.

Germany of the 1920's was all in for socialism, it just had not decided which brand of socialism it was going to have.

32 posted on 06/05/2012 9:18:58 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Article 58)
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To: FreedomPoster
Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion, and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany.

Brilliant. I have made this point by having a tagline that read "neo-communist = neo-fascist". It is basically the same thing.

33 posted on 06/05/2012 9:24:16 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Article 58)
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To: VRW Conspirator

Hayek nailed it 50-60 years ago. On this and many other points.


34 posted on 06/05/2012 9:49:32 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: JerseyanExile

AFP sounds ill informed. Or, more likely is twisting the facts to suit their agenda.

The only clashing that occured was when the “antifascists” started torching cars and throwing rocks and bottles at the police (just their usual MO...) and the police lamely tried to contain their rioting.

The Neo-Nazis did their little march and that was that.

And that is they way it almost always happens. The two extremist groups are kept far enough apart that they cannot clash with each other. So the “antifascists” throw their little temper tantrum and...see above.


35 posted on 06/05/2012 10:26:58 AM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: VRW Conspirator

Thanks, Conspirator.

That does add an important dose of clarity.


36 posted on 06/05/2012 11:54:24 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks JerseyanExile.


37 posted on 06/05/2012 7:02:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: zeestephen

Ding ding ding we have a winner ladies & gentlemen. You get a pat on the back & a attaboy as your prize for figuring out exactly what the brawls are about.


38 posted on 06/06/2012 12:03:31 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner
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To: ETL

Oorah!

39 posted on 06/06/2012 12:50:29 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: zeestephen
The only plausible reason for conflict is a dispute about who gets to run the government and distribute the goodies.

The only plausible reason for conflict is a dispute about who gets to run the government and distribute the goodies control the masses with unlimited power.

40 posted on 06/06/2012 2:05:44 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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