Posted on 07/03/2012 10:45:21 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
Romney's spokesman has said that Obamacare does not impose a tax. But if that's true then it will take 60 votes to get past a Democratic filibuster in the Senate.
On the other hand, if Obamacare does impose a tax, then it will only take 51 votes to overturn Obamacare in the Senate.
This is not some obscure fact. So why on God's green earth would Romney's spokesman being seeking to characterize Obamacare as not imposing a tax? Are they trying to make it harder to overturn Obamacare?
I'd love to get straightforward answers to those questions from Romney supporters.
That’s the MSM spin.
So who are you going to vote for for President on November 6th?
It’s already been declared constitutional. That battle has been fought and lost. There is no Supreme Supreme Court to go to. The next battle is to get it repealed. That battle will take place in the House and Senate. So it is going to be easier to get it repealed if it only takes 51 votes than if takes 60 votes. The math is real simple for everyone except apparently Romney’s spokesman and some of his supporters on FR.
You make no sense.
Mitt said flat out "I agree with the dissent."
How is that "MSM spin"?
As a person who plans on voting for Romney your answer makes me doubt Romney will end. Your answer mirrors exactly how Romney is running his campaign. Basically, "I am not Obama". I have yet to see any substance from the man. As someone here in FR said:
Romney has no attack other than “Im not Obama” pretty much...everything else is generic statements about how bad the economy is and that’s about it and even his statements about the bad economy sounds like he’s making a cheap television commercial with no passion
Well, that's not going to cut it. vbmoneyspender who started this thread asked some very good questions and not even a Romney supporter can answer it?
Two things:
1) Use HTML better.
2) Say something that makes sense.
The answer to the posted question is Romney’s spokesman is weak at his job. He is not a polished community organizer.
Who do you support as an alternative to Obama?
Mittens agrees it’s penalty that is unconstitutional.
That doesn’t mean he won’t support a bill to overturn it if it’s done on reconciliation.
The answer to the posted question is Romney’s spokesman is weak at his job.
He is not a polished community organizer. No one in Mitt’s camp is a community Organizer of Hollywood celeb.
Do you support an alternative to Obama?
Do you really have to ask a question to which the answer is so bloody obvious?
The number of votes it will require in the Senate to repeal Obamacare will be determined by Senate rules. The Senate rules are whatever the Senate says the Senate rules are.
Step 1: Get GOP control of the Senate.
Step 2: Have the GOP Senate caucus pass a bill repealing Obamacare.
The details can and will be worked out by the GOP Senate caucus once they have the majority.
The ‘Rats did not let any previously-existing rules stop the adoption of Obamacare.
There is no reason the GOP should let any previously-existing Senate rules stop the repeal of Obamacare.
People need to wake the heck up.
We ALL agree with the dissent but we cannot ignore the fact that the SCOTUS has ruled ObamaCare as a tax therefore it's consitutional. If we do not go after ObamaCare based on that premise then there is no way to put it down.
There are two reasons why Romney is approaching this the wrong way (whether it be intentional or by mistake).
1) It is legally considered a tax therefore constitutional by the highest court in the land.
2) Politically it's a slam dunk because A) it's the largest tax hike in the history of the United States and it's happening during a recession. B) Obama lied because he insisted it is not a tax for political reasons. Nobody wants higher taxes.
If and when the bill hits his desk he'll sign it.
It will be up to others to draft the bill and pass it through Congress.
51 can overturn much of Obama-care but not all of it under budget reconciliation. That is how Dems got the House to pass the original Senate Obam-ney-care bill, a second budget reconciliation modification bill that increased both the spending and taxes.
There are so many ironies to ‘this is a tax, not a tax’ argument. Calling it a tax to repeal most of it sides with the SCOTUS (and Roberts) on their decision. Alternatively Romney cant call it a tax because he already is on record saying the mandate in his MA Romney-care bill was not a tax the same as the Obama argument.
It was ruled constitutional by the SCOTUS as a tax and congress can clearly tax us.
I'm likely voting for Romney. The only other alternative is stay home. But I do not support Romney, I'm just voting for him. That means I'm not giving him money, I'm not going door to door for the man, I do not believe in the man, he's our version of John Kerry because he's been on every side of every issue and even if I wanted I could not post any positive articles about the man because there are none out there. Sad but true.
Please see my Reply #32.
Oh theres fight in them alright,just noit for the conservative causes.They are really demorats.
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