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Almost 50% of Americans on government assistance

Posted on 07/09/2012 7:43:54 PM PDT by MaryLou1

How can Romney beat Obama when almost half of the country is on government assistance?

The poll numbers amazed me-how can Obama be that close (or even beat) Romney in the polls?

Because the takers won't vote to cut their aid-why would they?

Illegals who don't have to show ID will take those numbers over the top and Obama will win by default.

reference source for the statistics: http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/07/news/economy/government_assistance/index.htm

Sometimes personal dignity has it's price when a person never valued it in the first place

p.s. this country was founded by people who rejected government control-how dare they take a country that restored and fought for self reliance and turn it into a nation of slaves?

The slaves on the plantation were controlled too, but they had their food and lodging paid for-and guess what? they didn't like it, they wanted freedom.

Imagine that!


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To: Starstruck

Those willing to serve their country with their lives, deserve to be looked after by their country should they survive. There’s a difference between getting a pension because you turn 65 and between getting a pension in service of your country.


101 posted on 07/11/2012 3:45:49 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: muawiyah

End social security first and then we can talk about asset divestiture.

I have no problem with selling off land and assets of the state in order to repay the obligation. It’s far fairer than continuing the ponzi scheme.

However, are you sure you want this? You’d get out exactly what you put in, no more no less. Most folks who are already collecting have collected far in excess to what they paid. You wouldn’t get very much out since there’s no obligation to account for inflation.


102 posted on 07/11/2012 3:51:04 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: JCBreckenridge
I was targeting the folks who think the whole Social Security thing can be forgotten without consequences.

Besides widespread looting, rioting, robbery and murder one of the problems is the members of Congress would find themselves without homes, families or safety.

I really doubt anarchy is the route anyone wants to take.

On the other hand, the US government owns land with resources.

Somebody forgot to pay attention to Newt Gingrich. He identified a single chunk of federal land where the anticipated royalties for oil extraction from proven reserves is well over $100 trillion.

A debtor with that kind of asset has no excuse for not paying his bills.

103 posted on 07/11/2012 5:19:28 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JCBreckenridge

Thanks for your kind words, JC.


104 posted on 07/11/2012 5:21:54 AM PDT by Ax
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To: muawiyah

“A debtor with that kind of asset has no excuse for not paying his bills.”

Here’s the problem. Rather than reforming the system, we’re kicking the can down the road.

What’s going to happen when there’s no money out there to pay into social security? All these dangers you list are an inevitable consequence of maintaining the status quo.


105 posted on 07/11/2012 5:47:36 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Matter of scale. It took 200+ years to get $16 trillion in the hole, how many years does $100 trillion get us?

We'll have several different kinds of free hydrogen fusion energy sources by then ~

106 posted on 07/11/2012 5:55:40 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: MaryLou1
You are still piddling around with a statistical trick. They are talking about HOUSEHOLDS with at least a single member receiving some benefit like that.

They are NOT talking about every single member in the household receiving benefits.

Grandpa on SSI ~ after being run down by an illegal alien in 1985 ~ he counts, but the kids and grandkids, all of whom have jobs don't!

That's just the statistics ~ then there are people who simply do not believe in Obama Money. They know where the welfare comes from ~ and they're not inclined one way or the other to vote for any particular politician on account of their check.

107 posted on 07/11/2012 6:00:33 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I see. So you aren’t worried about the impending fiscal collapse?


108 posted on 07/11/2012 6:53:44 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: JCBreckenridge
There is no impending fiscal collapse ~ there will be a reordering and restructuring and as soon as we can get rid of Obama and his fellow Luddites, things should be much better.

The United States simply does not need to repudiate debt ~ certainly not that owed to American citizens, and probably not that owed to foreigners.

109 posted on 07/11/2012 7:06:08 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

“There is no impending fiscal collapse ~ there will be a reordering and restructuring and as soon as we can get rid of Obama and his fellow Luddites, things should be much better.”

We’ve got at least 4 more years of massive overspending, and that’s assuming no more spending is piled on top of the spending that’s already there, and Obamacare gets repealed.

“The United States simply does not need to repudiate debt”

It’s at least 25 years before the US will be on sound financial footing. Depending on what damage the boomers do on their way out the door, might be even longer.


110 posted on 07/11/2012 7:28:27 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: JCBreckenridge
The immense debt piled up that's owed to Social Security was devised to smooth the transition of the Boomers through their older years.

Repudiating that debt is probably not in your best interest.

As far as being fiscally sound, any country with $100 trillion in assets in one small area is not in trouble.

Now, how to make some quick cash ~ totally different issue. To do that we collect tribute from those who benefit from our defense forces.

Worked for Greece, worked for Rome, worked for the Persians, the Chinese, the ancient Koreans, everybody did it that way.

When you're on top, you're on top and THEY OWE YOU!

111 posted on 07/11/2012 8:14:17 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JCBreckenridge
You wouldn’t get very much out since there’s no obligation to account for inflation.

I'd take it in a heartbeat.

About a quarter mil.

112 posted on 07/11/2012 8:21:28 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: CodeToad
We no longer have a constitutional republic, we have a democracy and the wolves are voting to eat the sheep.

Well played.

113 posted on 07/11/2012 8:23:54 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: JCBreckenridge
They are entitled to their (SS) money.

If they're entitled, why did you call them welfare cheats and thieves?

114 posted on 07/11/2012 9:03:35 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: muawiyah

I gave you a cite to a USN&WR report that says 2012 unemployment rates for RNs (nationwide) is 5.5%. You say “they aren’t hiring.”

Here’s a link to the AJC for RN classified ads. About 200 ads for RNs of different types, none older than 29 days.

You may have anecdotal experience with your acquaintences, and it may be that California RNs are having a tough time. However, here in Georgia, that does not compute. There is no evidence otherwise than a better-than-job category unemployment rate.


115 posted on 07/11/2012 10:15:50 AM PDT by Gaffer (NOVEMBER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Gaffer; muawiyah

The AJC link:

http://jobsearch.local-jobs.monster.com/jobs/Georgia+Atlanta_12?q=Registered-Nurse&pg=2&where=Atlanta__2c-GA&rad=20-miles&re=130&wt.mc_n=hjnpsearch&ch=ajcjobs&cy=us&brd=1


116 posted on 07/11/2012 10:19:44 AM PDT by Gaffer (NOVEMBER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Gaffer
There's an unemployment rate among nurses, but that doesn't apply to employers. They never have an unemployment rate ~ just a bankruptcy rate.

Isn't that Metro Atlanta?

117 posted on 07/11/2012 10:32:46 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
There is an unemployment rate for nurses - the kind you allude to with your friends, putting that, I guess, off on 'employers not hiring' and then an an addled something about the Philipines....... It seems 200 ads for jobs (applicant RNs - yes, in the Metro Area but it is pretty much the same statewide -even in my small town in north Georgia) doesn't impress you, nor does data that cites a specific unemployment rate for RNs (which should mean something to you). All I get back from you is anecdotal lore and cryptic responses with nothing to back it up. I can't discuss this with you.
118 posted on 07/11/2012 10:46:03 AM PDT by Gaffer (NOVEMBER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Gaffer
I think you are missing the point. There may be a job opening in the area, or even 100 in the area BUT unless that job is accessible to the person who is unemployed it might as well not exist.

It's good to hear there are openings in Atlanta Metro ~ went through them and it looks heavy on the surgery side ~ which means you need just all sorts of certifications, not just an RN!

Nurses with technical certifications can achieve transfers and higher pay of course.

Not sure what you mean by anecdotal references ~ after you suggested someone with an RN might just wander in off the street into an RN job I presumed you knew all about the effect of technical specialties on job availability.

If not, I just gave you some hints.

We are working with some serious babysitting here while the DIL gets a new certification in surgical ICU.

Nursing is becoming incredibly specialized and matching the individual to the job is very important. You can't just take any old RN and put her into a job where turning a dial the wrong way might fry the patient to death. Ask Dick Cheney about his experience here in Fairfax. He had the "best".

119 posted on 07/11/2012 11:59:00 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
I can appreciate your personal circumtances with your DIL. However, her situation is unlike the one that I am talking about. An Experienced, capable RN, supposedly who seems not to be able to find an RN job here in metro Atlanta. She can't find a job because she doesn't want. That is why this whole converstation started. I realize and can appreciate all the specialization of nursing AND the requirements. My wife is a Dean's secretary of a well-known Nursing school here. There are no shortages of jobs for nurses - at least those that are willing to work.
120 posted on 07/11/2012 12:06:00 PM PDT by Gaffer (NOVEMBER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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