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DHS Orders 750 Million More Rounds Of Ammo
The Alt-Market.com ^ | 13 August, 2012 | various

Posted on 08/13/2012 9:41:43 AM PDT by Errant

The federal government, specifically the Department of Homeland Security, is buying up huge amounts of ammunition and there seems to be no end in sight. Again, this is nothing new as the DHS has refused to explain their purchase of 450 million hollow points and has ordered "up to" 650-750 million rounds of ammo and also seems to be looking for more weapons as well.

Link to solicitation

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 2012; ammo; banglist; collapse; democrats; dhs; dhsammo; dhsisajoke; govtabuse; liberalfascism; obama; tyranny; youwillnotdisarmus
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1 posted on 08/13/2012 9:41:51 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

In late October, when Obama’s campaign advisers give him the bad news that he’s going to lose in an historic landslide, the govt. will need lots of ammo, once the people are told that the election will be suspended.


2 posted on 08/13/2012 9:45:03 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: Errant

probably buying it to keep citizens from having access


3 posted on 08/13/2012 9:46:14 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Errant

lol...

How many DHS employees have actually been involved in shooting?

I guess they spend most of their time at the range getting ready.


4 posted on 08/13/2012 9:46:14 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion or tools of deceit)
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To: Errant
"Move along. Move along folks nothing to see here. Move along...."
5 posted on 08/13/2012 9:46:45 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Errant; Kartographer

As I have seen on several of the Prepper threads and I roughly paraphrase:

When the SHTF, I’ll know where to go to get some ammunition.

I’m not sure if I should add a “/s” to that.


6 posted on 08/13/2012 9:46:45 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: Errant
The Dyke wants to make sure that no resistance is encountered when she and her Commie buddies move to seize the property and impose their rule without the annoyance of elections.

Oh sorry, there will be elections, just one party to vote for.

Theirs.

7 posted on 08/13/2012 9:50:47 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: Errant

Original Posted Date: April 17, 2012

this is an amendment to that original April solicitation for leaded target ammo, per the title.

FLETC - Federal law enforcement training center.

Not *sure* this is worth the hoopla. Just not sure.


8 posted on 08/13/2012 9:51:24 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Errant

There wasn’t a legitimately explainable explanation of purchasing 450 million rounds of 9mm hollow point ammunition, let alone and additional 750 million, to boot!

We are looking at a non-military agency, supposedly chartered to protect us from terrorist from without, acquiring over a billion rounds of ammunition! What we are looking at is a three-round burst for each and every citizen in this country if it comes to that.

If that doesn’t make you crap your pants, I don’t know what else would.


9 posted on 08/13/2012 9:51:48 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Errant

DHS is soaking up supply.

They are neither staffed nor chartered to make use of this demand.

Excellent line item for budget cut....along with current management staff.


10 posted on 08/13/2012 9:51:53 AM PDT by G Larry (Progressives are Regressive because their objectives devolve to the lowest common denominator.)
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To: G Larry

They can’t ‘soak up’ what’s already been bought.


11 posted on 08/13/2012 9:52:46 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Errant

From China?


12 posted on 08/13/2012 9:52:59 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Errant

They gotta deal with those millions of domestic terrorists, don’tcha know.


13 posted on 08/13/2012 9:54:02 AM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: Errant
The purpose of this purchase is to keep the ammo off the civilian market. The increased demand will cause shortages and of course, increased prices.

There is no way this ammunition could even be used ... and that's with every federal employee firing a thousand rounds a day.

This is merely a round-about method of gun control by making the ammo scarce, expensive, and thus harder for civilians to obtain.

14 posted on 08/13/2012 9:54:02 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Choose: Ineligible Muslim Marxist Mad Dog or Mild-Mannered Mormon Milquetoast)
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To: G Larry

Have you seen the new stuff they are buying? A Freeper here took pictures of a bunch of Black armored DHS SUVs transiting to somewhere on a railroad....


15 posted on 08/13/2012 9:54:16 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Blueflag

Are you saying the government is buying up the same ammunition (lead cored) that they want to ban?


16 posted on 08/13/2012 9:54:40 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Errant
Obviously DHS uses the spray and pray technique.
I kind of like controlled, aimed fire myself.
17 posted on 08/13/2012 9:56:30 AM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: ozzymandus

Just reading the title of the solicitation. Might be materially different on the inside.


18 posted on 08/13/2012 9:56:48 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Errant

They are driving the cost to us up and when they don’t use them will just destroy them and not even allow citizens whose tax money bought the stuff to purchase the surplus. When democraps runt he government, this is the sort of arrogant crap that results.


19 posted on 08/13/2012 9:56:57 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Blueflag
It's a significant increase for whatever reason; amendment to the original solicitation or not. I suppose the reason DHS doesn't use an existing DOD contract is due to the massive quantities of “special” ammunition required.
20 posted on 08/13/2012 9:57:52 AM PDT by Errant
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To: G Larry

Don’t forget, there are probably ‘volunteer’ staffers...from Acorn and the New Black Panthers...


21 posted on 08/13/2012 9:59:46 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Gaffer

I’m not too worried.

Gov’t doesn’t have the staff to put behind that supply.

Free Americans do....and “they” are sufficiently dispersed, so as to be impossible to manage.

The “staff” they “think” they have, aren’t sympathetic to “their” cause.


22 posted on 08/13/2012 9:59:46 AM PDT by G Larry (Progressives are Regressive because their objectives devolve to the lowest common denominator.)
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To: Errant
DHS: "...ordered "up to" 650-750 million rounds of ammo and also seems to be looking for more weapons"

Simple explanation:

They are trying to help Obama win "Gun Salesman Of The Year Award" again.


23 posted on 08/13/2012 10:00:40 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: The Cajun
I kind of like controlled, aimed fire myself.

Same here. I did notice a line item requirement for matched .308 - i.e. sniper ammo.

24 posted on 08/13/2012 10:00:44 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

450mm + 750mm = 1,200mm / 310mm population = 3.87 rounds for each and every man, woman, & child in the country.


25 posted on 08/13/2012 10:00:52 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Vote for Paul Ryan 2012...... and that other guy running on his ticket that's not Obama.)
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To: Paul Ross

Those “voluteers” are seriously out matched by you and me.


26 posted on 08/13/2012 10:01:07 AM PDT by G Larry (Progressives are Regressive because their objectives devolve to the lowest common denominator.)
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To: dragnet2

The rest of the time is spent driving around in their 4 wheel drive 60,000 dollar SUVs looking for terrorists or donut shops.


27 posted on 08/13/2012 10:01:45 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Gaffer

and some of those black SUV with individuals with equipment marked TSA had people stopped in Carrollton, GA last week. This is West Georgia and a very conservative area.


28 posted on 08/13/2012 10:02:00 AM PDT by crusadersoldier
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To: Errant

Boy, am I glad I handload everything I shoot.


29 posted on 08/13/2012 10:02:08 AM PDT by jim_trent
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To: The Cajun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vYKwih8Izk


30 posted on 08/13/2012 10:02:39 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: All

Just read this again.

1.QUESTION - CLIN 0003, Page 2: Would a 223 Rem 64 Grain soft point round be acceptable?

ANSWER - Yes, that would be acceptable.

2.QUESTION - CLIN 0003, Page 2: Would a 5.56 X 45 NATO 62 g JHP round be acceptable?

ANSWER - No. NATO rounds are not interchangeable
with SAAMI specifications identified in the
Statement of Work (SOW) paragraph 2.2, page 48.

So, what gun are they using. A weapon using 5.56 will chamber .223 but, not the other way around.

And look at the dates at the end. This is a FIVE year order. Don’t know what to make of that.


31 posted on 08/13/2012 10:02:46 AM PDT by WakeUpAndVote
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To: Errant; mnehring; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...
700 lbs of RDX, half a ton of ammonium nitrate, 750 million rnds of ammo...

Nothing to see here,

move along...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you need to threaten to report me to the Admin if I don’t add you to the list...

32 posted on 08/13/2012 10:03:02 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1302 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: Gaffer

peeing against the tide...

no match against the citizens...


33 posted on 08/13/2012 10:03:27 AM PDT by G Larry (Progressives are Regressive because their objectives devolve to the lowest common denominator.)
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To: G Larry

I certainly hope so...their actions in acquistion speak otherwise, though.


34 posted on 08/13/2012 10:04:14 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: null and void

Wow. I want to go play where they get to play!


35 posted on 08/13/2012 10:04:31 AM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: G Larry

Keep in mind, the Joint Chiefs of Staff have already been proving they are progressives. And look at Petraeus pushing for gay rights in the military. These are all Obama selections. So just what do you think is the ideology and partisan mindset of the DHS staff?? They have been trying to claim conservatives are “terrorists” from the get-go of this administration. And now, thanks to the progressive RINOs, he can arrest and detain anyone who is for the constitution...without habeus corpus rights.


36 posted on 08/13/2012 10:05:12 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Errant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0ZFWe3Uyuc&feature=related


37 posted on 08/13/2012 10:05:24 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: G Larry

Most of those citizens will do nothing.


38 posted on 08/13/2012 10:05:32 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Signalman

“the govt. will need lots of ammo, once the people are told that the election will be suspended”

You seriously think any manfuacturer can produce 750,000,000 in three months?


39 posted on 08/13/2012 10:05:35 AM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: Errant

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2010/12/just-keeping-you-safe-cheka-checks-in.html


40 posted on 08/13/2012 10:05:45 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: CodeToad

China..


41 posted on 08/13/2012 10:06:13 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: crusadersoldier

This and the S. Carolina scenario, that Ret. Army Col. dreamt up, are intended to be pacifying showcases.

They don’t understand the American people.


42 posted on 08/13/2012 10:07:13 AM PDT by G Larry (Progressives are Regressive because their objectives devolve to the lowest common denominator.)
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To: Regulator
just one party to vote for.

One way or the other, It seems...

43 posted on 08/13/2012 10:08:10 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

Actual RFP appears to be here:

https://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=500096e56b0d8362d91e93cf105309c3

5MB, 91 pages.

They’re looking for a little of everything, from .223 to .30-’06, 12GA, various pistol rounds.


44 posted on 08/13/2012 10:08:44 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: dragnet2

LOL!


45 posted on 08/13/2012 10:09:15 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant
I did notice a line item requirement for matched .308

Troubling, but top quality ammo does not a sniper make.

46 posted on 08/13/2012 10:10:02 AM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Gaffer

“Most” is 51%.

“They” staff less than 1%

So if 10% of us stand up....that’s enough.


47 posted on 08/13/2012 10:10:10 AM PDT by G Larry (Progressives are Regressive because their objectives devolve to the lowest common denominator.)
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To: The Working Man; Errant

Let’s split the deference, we keep the brass and we give you the lead? ;-)


48 posted on 08/13/2012 10:10:19 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: CodeToad

They’re looking for about ten different cartridges ... spread among the various assembly lines, they might get close.


49 posted on 08/13/2012 10:10:23 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Errant

This looks to me as if they are just using up manufacturing capacity trying to increase the cost of ammo to civilians.

Not sure how this will affect prices.


50 posted on 08/13/2012 10:10:23 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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