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How To Make the GOP Eat Itself Alive
Free Republic Original Content | September 1, 2012 | By Laz A. Mataz

Posted on 09/01/2012 1:16:40 PM PDT by Lazamataz

Recently, the GOP passed some Presidential primary and delegate rules changes, in a very shady manner, that enraged conservatives. This rule will lessen the impact of delegates, and soften the voice of conservatives and Tea Party members. I was one of those who were enraged. In fact, I was at the front of the parade.

However, in life and especially in politics, not all is as it seems. One of Mitt Romney's closest advisors, a man by the name of James Bopp Jr., led the charge to prevent the rules from being this drastically changed. In a letter he wrote, he states:

This is the biggest power grab in the history of the Republican Party because it shifts the power to select delegates from the state party to the candidate. And it would make the Republican Party a top down, not bottom up party.

It would also hurt state parties because they use delegate selection as a way to honor party volunteers and party contributors. A Presidential candidate will have his own agenda for delegate selection. As a result, this always is a threat to party regulars who make up most of our delegates. But it is also a threat to both moderates and conservative who could be purged, depending on who is the Republican Presidential nominee.

This proposal is an over reaction to the problems in a few states where Ron Paul delegates threaten to not support the winning Presidential candidate. I agree that they should honor that pledge, but that can be fix by a few tweaks in a few state laws. Massachusetts handled this successfully by requiring an affidavit promising to vote for the candidate, Mitt Romney, who carried the state. But the Rules change here is overkill -- killing a fly with a sledgehammer.

After the Rules change imbroglio, I decided not to dash off a furious editorial, but instead to let time reveal all the workings, and to allow a little cooling off period. I'm glad I did. It's not as simple as it seemed.

Are there some scoundrels in the Republican party? Absolutely. John Boehner, who ruled against the floor vote in an entirely arbitrary way, springs to mind. One cannot help but think that Karl Rove clapped his chubby little hands together upon the Rules Change, as well. John Sununu, another villain in this power grab, may have been instrumental in removing key Florida delegates from the Rules Commitee. Perhaps the largest and most damning villain in the fiasco is Ben Ginsberg, who is Romney's chief legal advisor. It appears he was interested in even more power-consolidating Rules Changes.

There will be more revelations in the days ahead. It has been leaked to me that there will be more to follow, and that it may well show that Romney's camp initially wanted the Rules Change -- to undercut the Ron Paul brigades -- but when some of the party Establishment took the ball and ran too far downfield, that many in the Romney camp backed off of support. Of course, at that time, it was too late. The blue-blood establishment hacks had grabbed the concepts, racheted them up, and ran as hard as they could for the goal line.

So, we are starting to see the first glimmers of discontent in the Romney camp over the Rules Changes. If more follows, the changes may well be addressed -- with a little push from us, the Dreaded Grassroots.

The fact remains, though, that the Rules, having been changed, are horrific for the grassroots conservative and Tea Party members.

Romney, if he wants our support, should lead.

He should get in front of some conservative groups and let us know that the Rules will be changed again to allow our voices to be heard. We do understand if Romney himself cannot do it, since it is an old chestnut -- run to the right for nomination, run to the left for election -- but a high level surrogate would help us believe his intent.

The jury is still out. Is Romney willing to forego conservative support? We shall see. The blowback from a Romney rejection would be tragic for his election efforts.


TOPICS: FReeper Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: convention; delegates; gop; jamesbopp; rnc; romney; ronpaul; rule12; rulechanges; vanity
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1 posted on 09/01/2012 1:16:43 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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2 posted on 09/01/2012 1:18:16 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: Lazamataz
Are there some scoundrels in the Republican party?

Yeah. Start with James Bopp.

3 posted on 09/01/2012 1:19:35 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day Christians stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: EternalVigilance

James Bopp may or may not be a scoundrel in other ways, but in this one way, he was a hero. He, with Morton Blackwell, led the charge against the Rules Change.


4 posted on 09/01/2012 1:21:34 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: Lazamataz
One of Mitt Romney's closest advisors, a man by the name of James Bopp Jr.,

James Bopp Jr. isn't just a Romney adviser, he is pretty much the face of the business side of the establishment. He is the Vice Chairman of the party and head of the rules committee.

This is pretty damning. It shows the business side of the party, the establishment, opposed the rule change.

5 posted on 09/01/2012 1:22:32 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: ouroboros

Still out there?


6 posted on 09/01/2012 1:23:36 PM PDT by x
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To: EternalVigilance

Apparently you didn’t read the letter. Bopp led the opposition against the rule change.

Unless you like this to be a fight between the GOPe and the people under a false pretense?

Of course, as a fifth party candidate, you would.
(still failing to disclose that I see)


7 posted on 09/01/2012 1:23:41 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Lazamataz

Bopp is the main culprit behind the addition of the immoral, unconstitutional “pain-capable unborn children” clause in the “pro-life” platform plank.

Which was no surprise to me. He’s been pushing that garbage for years. Pushing it right into the laws of the United States, and many of the States.


8 posted on 09/01/2012 1:24:08 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day Christians stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: Lazamataz

Laz, you missed the obvious possibility that this letter is simple cover. Can we really trust any of these people to do anything honest when this kind of power is on the table?

Sorry but I think you’ve been had. This is too comvinent by half.


9 posted on 09/01/2012 1:24:25 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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One-time ping. Apologies to people already on my ping list for the double-ping.


10 posted on 09/01/2012 1:24:53 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: Lazamataz

He’s made his bed with these people. Now he’s going to have to live with it.


11 posted on 09/01/2012 1:26:54 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day Christians stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: Lazamataz

Nice summary of what happened. After hearing buzz among Republicans about “faithless delegates,” I am glad they got stopped. But RINOs never let a good crisis go to waste.


12 posted on 09/01/2012 1:27:08 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: mnehring
James Bopp Jr. isn't just a Romney adviser, he is pretty much the face of the business side of the establishment. He is the Vice Chairman of the party and head of the rules committee. This is pretty damning. It shows the business side of the party, the establishment, opposed the rule change.

True. But, let us not forget that there are other Establishments who were all for it: Boehner, Sununu, and most damning of all, Ginsberg.

I feel the most powerful, most direct sign that Romney DOES embrace us, is a denuciation by the official Romney camp of the Rules Change. At this point, that is what it will take, to placate us and get us on board.

He needs to unify. As soon as possible. Forcefully, as such an action would be.

13 posted on 09/01/2012 1:28:05 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: Norm Lenhart; Lazamataz

Several other sources that were reporting at the time gave Bopp credit for leading the charge to defeat the rule.

Example: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/deal-will-likely-prevent-floor-fight-at-republican-national-convention/


14 posted on 09/01/2012 1:28:13 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

LOL, EV isn’t very quiet about who his real name is. Check his homepage! :)


15 posted on 09/01/2012 1:29:08 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

You’re exactly right. This is political butt-covering.

The whole country, at least anyone who pays attention, saw exactly what went on in Tampa.

It wasn’t a political convention in any true sense of the word. It was a sham propaganda show.


16 posted on 09/01/2012 1:30:20 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day Christians stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Laz, you missed the obvious possibility that this letter is simple cover.

If the letter had been issued after the fight, then maybe I could believe that. However, the letter occured during the fight, and Bopp was involved in lobbying against the change in many other ways.

He's also the RNC Vice-Chair. Pretty high-up to be simple cover.

17 posted on 09/01/2012 1:31:02 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: mnehring

So? Considering the backroom methods we’ve all seen so far, why should this be any different?

Folks, I’m sorry. While I admit Romney will be our next president and wish him the best of luck, FR needs to take off the rose colored post convention glasses and remember who and what we are dealing with. That didn’t change with a few great speeches.


18 posted on 09/01/2012 1:31:06 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Lazamataz

If Romney pushes and reverses these rule changes before election time, it would indeed change my belief in him.

As it is now, up yours GOP-e !!!


19 posted on 09/01/2012 1:31:12 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: EternalVigilance
You’re exactly right. This is political butt-covering.

Well, Tom, that is as much conjecture as my assertion that there may be opposing views in the RNC establishment.

I guess it is up to the grassroots to take it to Mitt, and let him know we need some Rules Changes BACK, or at the very minimum, a strong condemnation of the Rules as they stand.

20 posted on 09/01/2012 1:34:03 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: Lazamataz

Boehner & McConnell ‘MUST’ go away !!!


21 posted on 09/01/2012 1:34:48 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

One thing is certain: Boehner is a son of a bitch, and must go.


22 posted on 09/01/2012 1:35:12 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: Lazamataz

Laz, I submit that you and many here are so wanting it to be true that you have convinced yourself of it. We all are soo POd/frustrated with Obama that we are desperate and cling to any thread of hope that agrees with what we want to be the case.

I advise caution and rational / logical thinking here.


23 posted on 09/01/2012 1:35:24 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart; Syncro; Lazamataz
FR needs to take off the rose colored post convention glasses and remember who and what we are dealing with.

Actually, the problem is we have a mythology of who we are dealing with. The GOPe isn't some smokey backroom, it is a business like any other. There are ways you deal with a business and certain ways to get in. We failed that. For example, I don't recall a single thread during the primary process on how to be elected as a delegate or engage in the rule making process for your precinct or State. The Paultards, however, were good at this which is where this chaos came from.

Imagine if we learn from how they operate (without being deceptive like they were) and spend as much time coordinate taking over the party from the bottom instead of just sitting around complaining about the 'e' conspiracy. They were just some fringe nuts and look what they did.

24 posted on 09/01/2012 1:35:42 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Lazamataz

Absolute 100% total agreement ;)


25 posted on 09/01/2012 1:36:29 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Lazamataz

I agree with that. At that, I think he was drunk half the time he was on stage.


26 posted on 09/01/2012 1:36:30 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Norm Lenhart
Laz, I submit that you and many here are so wanting it to be true that you have convinced yourself of it.

To be fair, Norm, I'm not convinced of anything, yet. I'm just presenting all sides. The proof of the pudding will be in it's tasting. They need to ACT to get my belief.

To get them to ACT, it is up to US.

Remember, one Rules Change is that the RNC can change the Rules without delegates present, or a vote. So: CHANGE THEM! Bring we who are conservatives, back into the party. One of the changes will have to be the rescinding of the 'we can change the Rules anytime'-Rule.

27 posted on 09/01/2012 1:38:39 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: Lazamataz

I still think this is something of a Republican mirror image to what happened to the Democrats in 1968 and 1972. In ‘68 the up and coming radical left tried to seize the party but were slapped down by their old guard. But in the next four years the radicals came back in spades and took over the party, booting out the old guard for good. And the radicals have controlled the party ever since.

As a rough outline, the Tea Party conservatives have done much the same thing, and have made substantial inroads into the party. However, the old guard Republican leadership used some dirty tricks to slap them down. But it does not end here.

The erosion will continue. The Tea Party will get more and more conservative candidates elected, likely dominating the mid-term election. At that point, if Romney has been playing liberal, there will be a challenge to him having a second term, and the conservatives will punish those who had a hand in this debacle.

Karl Rove and company may find themselves unemployed.


28 posted on 09/01/2012 1:38:55 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Norm Lenhart
To be fair, Norm, I'm not convinced of anything, yet. I'm just presenting all sides.

Which makes me more like Fox News, than Fox News is. :)

29 posted on 09/01/2012 1:39:37 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: mnehring

I don’t totally disagree, but it’s a business with an agenda. And that agenda is not one that is conservative. At best this is a business arrangement between GOP and Conservatives...and they are amidst a hostile takeover.


30 posted on 09/01/2012 1:39:44 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
I still think this is something of a Republican mirror image to what happened to the Democrats in 1968 and 1972. In ‘68 the up and coming radical left tried to seize the party but were slapped down by their old guard. But in the next four years the radicals came back in spades and took over the party, booting out the old guard for good. And the radicals have controlled the party ever since.

As a rough outline, the Tea Party conservatives have done much the same thing, and have made substantial inroads into the party. However, the old guard Republican leadership used some dirty tricks to slap them down. But it does not end here.

Brilliant observation.

Wish I had made it.

Why don't you come over to my house every time I write an editorial? :)

31 posted on 09/01/2012 1:40:57 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: Lazamataz

If you start wearing a skirt and spike heels, I’m outta here
...Or strangely attracted to....NO!!! ;)


32 posted on 09/01/2012 1:41:48 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
If you start wearing a skirt and spike heels, I’m outta here ...Or strangely attracted to....NO!!! ;)

Bow chicka wah wah.

33 posted on 09/01/2012 1:42:47 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: Lazamataz

Good luck with that.

Frankly though, this reminds me of the psychology of an abused spouse.

Later.


34 posted on 09/01/2012 1:43:00 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day Christians stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

The agenda is money and votes. Our job is to show that Conservatives can produce those more and in a more consistent fashion of the long run. Otherwise, the marketing professionals and accountants will just look at historical trends and see George W, George HW, elections and think Reagan was a fluke.

We aren’t consistent and we turn on ourselves and faction faster than Obama can call a mulligan on the course.


35 posted on 09/01/2012 1:43:23 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: EternalVigilance

Nah. More like presenting both sides. Also, take a look at #28. Pretty durned good analysis, there.


36 posted on 09/01/2012 1:44:28 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: Lazamataz
"it may well show that Romney's camp initially wanted the Rules Change -- to undercut the Ron Paul brigades -- but when some of the party Establishment took the ball and ran too far downfield, that many in the Romney camp backed off of support. Of course, at that time, it was too late."

Early on there were a lot of conservatives cursing Romney and saying they will no longer vote for him because of his disenfranchising conservatives.That is giving the Ron Paul supporters exactly what they wanted. They are infiltrators causing a lot of discord within the Republican Party. They are NOT Republicans, and here in Colorado, they have been a tremendous thorn in our side during County and State conventions. I can easily see why the Republicans wanted to strip them of their power, as they obtain their delegate status in a very deceitful way.

These same Rom Paul supporters are the ones that assisted the commie group code pink, to get into the Convention and disrupt several of the speeches.

I can't speak for the 'establishment', but I don't believe Romney wants to alienate or dismiss the Tea Party.

37 posted on 09/01/2012 1:46:04 PM PDT by jan in Colorado (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. --George Orwell.)
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To: mnehring

IMO, the gob of conservatives is to forward conservatism. No more or less. I will try to avoid the Romney arguement here, but it’s not easy.

If we cut our own throats to achieve political power, I fail to see the point. The GOP has played Conservs for decades. They and we are two ships mid Pacific. One bound for China, One to the USA.

This election, unfortunately, we need eachother. But what of the next? The drift will be even further.


38 posted on 09/01/2012 1:48:01 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: mnehring
The Paultards, however, were good at this which is where this chaos came from.

Thumb high, bro.

39 posted on 09/01/2012 1:49:06 PM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo, being wily, pities the fool.)
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To: Lazamataz
to undercut the Ron Paul brigades

Quit using the Ron Paul brigades as an excuse for these rules changes. No one is buying it. There were and always have been ways of dealing with dissident groups within the rules of the convention. The claim that new rules had to be adopted to deal with them is nonsense.

40 posted on 09/01/2012 1:49:23 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: jan in Colorado
I can't speak for the 'establishment', but I don't believe Romney wants to alienate or dismiss the Tea Party.

I don't know how to get this message to Romney, but he's GOTTA show us some love. If he doesn't, he's going to face a tougher 2012, and -- if successful in 2012 -- a much MUCH tougher 2016.

41 posted on 09/01/2012 1:49:31 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: jan in Colorado; Lazamataz
.That is giving the Ron Paul supporters exactly what they wanted.

You don't know the half of it.

42 posted on 09/01/2012 1:50:00 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Uncle Chip

Tell that to the Maine Ron Paul delegates who are undergoing a hearing today to consider punishment for their antics during the convention.


43 posted on 09/01/2012 1:51:38 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Lazamataz

Whistling past the grave yard.


44 posted on 09/01/2012 1:52:30 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day Christians stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
IMO, the gob of conservatives

I'm gobsmacked!

Gobsmacked!

Unununium.

Unununium.

45 posted on 09/01/2012 1:52:54 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: Lazamataz

You try typing with visions of you in a skirt and heels dancing through your head...

Not an easy thing to do! ;)


46 posted on 09/01/2012 1:53:53 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: EternalVigilance

Or, as I prefer to view it, an opportunity for action.


47 posted on 09/01/2012 1:54:19 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: mnehring

Is this hearing taking place under the old rules or the new ones??


48 posted on 09/01/2012 1:54:22 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Lazamataz
Laz, my cousin Terry was married to a Romney, The Marion Branch, Georges Brother. She was a sweet young thing with a Mexican look, even you would have hit it, I most certainly would have.

Her father was AG in Utah and represented what is wrong in Utah Politics, Talked the Talk and Devolved into a RINO.

Mitt has no Balls and if we push hard enough through our Reps he will bend. I was exiled to Mass in 1960 and supported Mitt for gov, he sucked, we have to yell and scream and he will follow.

49 posted on 09/01/2012 1:56:03 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: Uncle Chip

Who cares? They obviously don’t deem any authority higher than RonPaul. Any punishment will be ignored and there’s nothing but throwing them out the GOP can do.

Like they care.


50 posted on 09/01/2012 1:56:12 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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